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Help me evaluate this table saw find

by Ian S
posted 07-19-2016 02:49 AM


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#1 posted 07-19-2016 03:14 AM

That looks like a solid find to me. I hope you already emailed him, or it may already be gone!

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#2 posted 07-19-2016 03:15 AM

I would hesitate to buy a power tool that I couldn’t plug in and test. That aside it looks to be a great starter setup.

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#3 posted 07-19-2016 03:16 AM

Thanks, that’s encouraging so far! Already emailed him. We’ll see.

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#4 posted 07-19-2016 03:17 AM

Buy a cheap extension cord and wire it up first.

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#5 posted 07-19-2016 03:21 AM

Number 1, never buy anything that you can’t hear running. Number 2, it’s a craftsman, Number 3, never buy anything that you can’t hear run. Hold onto your money and buy something that you can actually see run and cut a board on first. Lots of fine old machines out there that will work circles around this one.

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#6 posted 07-19-2016 03:22 AM

I second wiring it up. If not that, at least turn the blade and motor to see if they are smooth. Its a fairly light duty saw that will take up a good amount of space with that table. That being said, if your not making heavy cuts and you have the space, it looks like a good buy. And yeah, that fence new is probably worth $150+.

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#7 posted 07-19-2016 03:27 AM

Number 1, never buy anything that you can t hear running. Number 2, it s a craftsman, Number 3, never buy anything that you can t hear run
- Clarkie

Opposite for me… unable to run is a great negotiation point and 99.9% of the time it’s something stupid simple to fix.

Cheers,
Brad

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#8 posted 07-19-2016 04:04 AM

That Shopfox fence cost more than $150.00.

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#9 posted 07-19-2016 04:14 AM

I Agree with Brad , MrUnix 100%... Thats better than a good beginner saw for the cheap price… Get the saw & rebuild the stand & extension to your liking. The fence makes the saw… But hurry…

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#10 posted 07-19-2016 04:26 AM



I Agree with Brad , MrUnix 100%... Thats better than a good beginner saw for the cheap price… Get the saw & rebuild the stand & extension to your liking. The fence makes the saw… But hurry…

- MikesProjects

I agree with you and Brad, and I would buy it just for the fence.

-- Bruce Free Plans https://traditionalwoodworking.org

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#11 posted 07-19-2016 04:41 AM

Think long think wrong. Dont pay attention to the guys saying they would never buy this or that. This is a no brainer because at the very least you have an excellent fence you can use on something else. Also, looking at that saw, it looks like you could actually bolt an 8 1/4 inch circular saw to that table in a pinch. Dont always look at what things are, look at what they can be. GL! Hope you dig your new tablesaw.

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#12 posted 07-19-2016 09:45 AM

Great deal at $150. If it checks out, don’t procrastinate…it won’t be available very long at that price. Get it aligned, and put a decent blade it.

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#13 posted 07-19-2016 11:49 AM



Great deal at $150. If it checks out, don t procrastinate…it won t be available very long at that price. Get it aligned, and put a decent blade it.

- knotscott

+1. I have two similar saws that I kept over a 1970s vintage Unisaw. The c- man has a good fence and it may be a dual voltage motor. It will handle almost anything a hobbyist would throw at it. Good deal at $150. Terrific deal if it could be had for $100.

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#14 posted 07-19-2016 12:04 PM

Great feedback again, thanks everyone. I’m excited to go give it a try. Hopefully I’ll hear back from the seller this AM, if I wasn’t top late. I may take the advice of one poster who suggested bringing a cheap extension cord—perhaps I could do the very un-recommended action of opening up and wire nutting it to what’s left of the original cable from the saw… just as a one-time test! Not as a permanent fix :-D

On second glance I’ll probably take apart the workbench and get a more typical narrow rolling stand for the thing—my shop is small and I need the room to maneuver.

Thanks again! I’ll let everyone know.

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#15 posted 07-19-2016 01:23 PM

”My dog ate the cord” HAHA I LOVE IT !

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#16 posted 07-19-2016 01:29 PM

Good deal. I’d relocate the switch anyway.

-- Chuck, Michigan,

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#17 posted 07-19-2016 01:31 PM

The fence alone is worth the $150. the weak spot on the craftsman contractor saws was the fence. So you have a pretty good saw with that fence. I t probably is a dual voltage motor.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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#18 posted 07-19-2016 01:34 PM

+1, if it can’t run that’s a good thing if you know how to fix anything that might be wrong. Sure the motor could be burned out, but that’s almost never the case and if it were there are many tell tale signs letting you know. I bought a big Ingersoll Rand compressor for $50 because the motor was burned out, the owner had misdiagnosed it, I had to replace the pressure switch and it was up and running.


Number 1, never buy anything that you can t hear running. Number 2, it s a craftsman, Number 3, never buy anything that you can t hear run
- Clarkie

Opposite for me… unable to run is a great negotiation point and 99.9% of the time it s something stupid simple to fix.

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix


-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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#19 posted 07-19-2016 02:06 PM

I have that same saw (I’m entry level as well). The saw came from my grandfather and it works just perfect for everything I’ve done so far.

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#20 posted 07-19-2016 03:14 PM

I bet when this guy was in school …he also said dog ate his homework …...LMAO

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#21 posted 07-19-2016 03:50 PM

I am very very skeptical when a seller says something like:

”...Unfortunately my dog ate the cord off where the cord goes into the housing of the motor (you can see that in the pictures). From what I can find, it’s an easy replace. For that reason, I am listing the price very cheap…”

Many would replace the cord first and then sell the saw for a normal price.

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#22 posted 07-19-2016 04:39 PM

I agree with buying this quickly. I recommend that you do not get caught up in table saw elitism. There will be lots of time for that, and many of us have done it, but it is not needed to get off to a good start with a woodworking hobby.

Countless great projects have been done with saws like that one, or similar, or lesser.

All the positive comments about the fence are right on target. In my opinion, getting the pre-made table is a benefit, given the time reduction to get busy with the saw, not to mention the price lumber these days.

I hope you let us know the outcome.

=

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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Plain

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#23 posted 07-19-2016 05:09 PM

I recommend that you do not get caught up in table saw elitism.

- jimintx

If would be fair if you mentioned that the old saws are quite more dangerous than the new ones especially for a new woodworker. The biggest problem with old saws is the absence of a riving knife.

The other problem is the absence of dust collection, which excludes the saw from using inside unless the space is 100% dedicated to woodworking.

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#24 posted 07-19-2016 05:21 PM


If would be fair if you mentioned that the old saws are quite more dangerous than the new ones especially for a new woodworker. The biggest problem with old saws is the absence of a riving knife.

The other problem is the absence of dust collection, which excludes the saw from using inside unless the space is 100% dedicated to woodworking.

That’s quite a good point. I didn’t think about the lack of riving knife. Dust collection is also a big ticket feature.
When I watch all these YouTube videos of guys using table saws confidently without any kind of blade guard or even a riving knife, it frankly freaks me out. I do understand that if you’ve squared your fence up to the blade (and/or blade to the miter slots) then your chance of kickback is significantly lessened. But still … the riving knife thing—seems like a really significant value-add for a new woodworker like myself.

My alternate to a find like this is to go with the R4512. We’ve got a few hundred in store credit at HD, and I’m pretty sure I understand how to check the blade tracking in the parking lot to make sure I’ve picked up a “good” unit or not.

In any case, the seller for this saw DID get back to me and we’ll try to meet up when he gets back into town. Might be worth a look-see either way.

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#25 posted 07-19-2016 05:27 PM

A big point to discuss is that this saw came with a blade guard/splitter. You would want that to be included. Without it maybe not so good of a deal.

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#26 posted 07-19-2016 05:34 PM

Personally, I wouldn’t get too excited about the saw. Yes, it’s true, that the fence is nice for the money. However, a cut power cord is something that most people don’t want to deal with. I’ve found ‘fixer-upper’ type stuff on craigslist doesn’t sell very well, usually. It seems most everyone wants a plug-and-play deal.

Also, the extended home-made table is nice, but only if you have the room for it. If you don’t have that much space, then it’s a negative.

I’d probably offer him $100 or less. I doubt it will sell for $150, just because it’s a fixer upper.

Also, note that saw came with a splitter and blade guard that appear to be missing (they are not shown in the photos). It’s also missing that little yellow round insert in the table.

Those saws are common, but they work well. I got one with the original base, splitter, etc. for $150 (but not that nice fence). There’s no rush to buy this particular saw.

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#27 posted 07-19-2016 05:38 PM

I have to agree that it would be a good buy. If you’re unable to check the motor with power to it, that can be used to negotiate a better price. As someone else said, if you can turn the blade and the motor that makes it much more likely it won’t be a difficult fix. Regarding the stand, I’d say you have a good starting point to make it into whatever stand you want. Plenty of material there to customize it the way you want. For these older Craftsman’s, the fence does make the saw. They are a great beginner’s saw, especially with a nice fence like this one has. It’s not going to have all the bells and whistles of the newer saws, and yes, it won’t be as safe, but you can still get a lot out of them if you take extra precautions, and you don’t ask them to perform like a Unisaw or the like. With a good cleaning, lubing, alignment and putting a Freud Diablo blade on it, I think you’ll have a saw you’ll be very happy with for a long time.

Oh, and a paddle switch. I hate those stock switches. One of the best things I did on mine was adding a paddle switch.

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#28 posted 07-19-2016 06:11 PM


That s quite a good point. I didn t think about the lack of riving knife. Dust collection is also a big ticket feature.
When I watch all these YouTube videos of guys using table saws confidently without any kind of blade guard or even a riving knife, it frankly freaks me out. I do understand that if you ve squared your fence up to the blade (and/or blade to the miter slots) then your chance of kickback is significantly lessened. But still … the riving knife thing—seems like a really significant value-add for a new woodworker like myself.

My alternate to a find like this is to go with the R4512. We ve got a few hundred in store credit at HD, and I m pretty sure I understand how to check the blade tracking in the parking lot to make sure I ve picked up a “good” unit or not.

In any case, the seller for this saw DID get back to me and we ll try to meet up when he gets back into town. Might be worth a look-see either way.

- Ian S

A stock blade guard and splitter shouldn’t be too hard to come by for an older Craftsman contractor saw. You can also add something like the Microjig splitter….not quite as elegant as a good riving knife, but still effective at preventing kickback from pinching.

Food for thought – I would still be tempted to score the old Cman saw at $150 even if you end up with a newer saw like the R4512…..I’d put the Shop Fox fence and and Cman wings on the new saw, and would sell the stock R4512 fence, wings, Cman motor, and accessories as individual parts….Or just switch fences and wings, and resell the Cman saw as a complete saw with the Ridgid fence and wings for ~ $125. For $25 out of pocket you’d gain a Shop Fox Classic fence and the grated cast iron wings.

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#29 posted 07-19-2016 08:00 PM

Old craftsman motors also happen to be some of the cheapest motors to buy on eBay,.

I say go for it.

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#30 posted 07-19-2016 08:19 PM

If would be fair if you mentioned that the old saws are quite more dangerous than the new ones especially for a new woodworker. The biggest problem with old saws is the absence of a riving knife.
- Plain

Bullhockey. Pretty much any saw you will run across on CL, unless it is very, very old, will have left the factory with a splitter. They frequently go missing, but that does not mean one cannot be used.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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Plain

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#31 posted 07-19-2016 09:32 PM

Brad, I already mentioned that a splitter is not a replacement for a riving knife. The latter provides better safety than the former.
UL requires a riving knife not a splitter.

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