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posted 09-02-2014 11:53 AM


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#1 posted 09-02-2014 04:11 PM

Thanks for the heads up. I like where you are trying to go with showing a concrete date and time of post instead of relative to current. Hopefully the computer gurus will get it functioning right.

I’m willing to put up with a bug or two when it is obviously targeted toward improving the site and responding to members’ suggestions.

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#2 posted 09-02-2014 04:17 PM

Crossing my fingers it will work with the forum programming but so far it has multiple issues.

I will let y’all know as soon as I know more.

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#3 posted 09-02-2014 04:55 PM

From what I can see, I LIKE IT!

Instead of just ”nnn days ago”, leaving you to an impossible Math problem to find out WHEN, this NEW method spells it outright!

You can EASILY SEE when the last activity WAS without any Mind Games required!

I think it is a GREAT CHANGE!

EDIT:
Suggestion… Leave out the word ”at” … just a space will do… it is implied… not required.

For the same Reason, remove the word “by”; just a space will do… it’s implied.

Now, if this does not fit into existing screens, may I suggest that you change the Screen Resolution Setting on your screen, which will tend to give you more room on the screen to see more! It’s really better than older resolutions.

Thank you, Cricket… GOOD JOB!

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#4 posted 09-02-2014 04:58 PM

One of the things we have to figure out is making it show the time for each individual time zone.

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#5 posted 09-02-2014 05:01 PM

OH, I thought that was handled in the system a long time ago…

edit: Looks like it knows what My Time Zone is… Looks good!

You could also save some space by just displaying “14” instead of “2014”... for the year… We know what century we’re in... :)

You might save yourself some grief by Removing “Today” and “Yesterday” replacing it with the actual Date that is being used for the rest… :)

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php

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#6 posted 09-02-2014 05:09 PM

Joe, I think you just happen to live in the same time zone as the servers. It shows two hours off of my local time.

For myself, Cricket, I’m not so worried about individual time zones—I can do the math. It might bug others that have more time differential, such as our European members. Of course, if it can show local time, that would be ideal, but even showing fixed Pacific time is better than the older way of relative time, IMHO.

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#7 posted 09-02-2014 05:16 PM

I guess I lucked out! (big grin)...

I agree with JayT…

09-02 10:15 am Joe

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#8 posted 09-02-2014 05:23 PM

I like that. Sometimes I look back at a project and wonder when I posted it. Then I would have do some figgerin’. Like the new date stamp. Thanks.

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#9 posted 09-02-2014 05:33 PM

Cricket

I like it the way it is now.

-- It is always the right time, to do the right thing.

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#10 posted 09-02-2014 06:39 PM

We are getting there…

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#11 posted 09-02-2014 07:23 PM

I am very in favor of this change. Makes it easier to see when posted. I’m with you Joe L.

-- Dave, Downers Grove, Il. -------- When you run out of ideas, start building your dreams.

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#12 posted 09-02-2014 11:06 PM

Cricket – are the timestamps based on the user’s locale or the server’s timestamp?

-- paxorion

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#13 posted 09-02-2014 11:09 PM

Now I need to calculate ‘Days Ago…’ Argh.

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#14 posted 09-02-2014 11:34 PM

“Time Stamp” is working well, here in The Green Mountain State, That’s Eastern…..

I’m a BIG fan of the “New & Improved” time format!!!
Kudos to Cricket and the whole LJ-Techno-Geek-Squad!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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#15 posted 09-03-2014 12:00 AM

Yep, time stamp is showing local, now. Very cool!

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#16 posted 09-03-2014 01:56 AM

I’d like to add that for those of us outside the US, the date format is all wrong! We are used to day before month. Please could you ask the programmers if they are able to display according to the date format on our own computers?

I’ve also asked previously if it could be possible to optionally display forum posts in (reverse) order of either date posted or of most recent reply. Personally I would prefer to monitor the forums according to when they were posted because it allows me to easily find and read new posts since the previous time I checked in. Those that interest me get added to my watchlist, which gives me a method of monitoring posts that are older. I do know, however, that many prefer the current order of most recent reply, hence the request that it be optional – perhaps by means of a “button” at the top where it already says “Start new topic”, “View unanswered topics” and “Show all forums”

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#17 posted 09-03-2014 02:35 AM

I like the real date instead of the OLD relative system. When youʻre my age time really doesnʻt matter. The Date matters more.

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#18 posted 09-03-2014 03:11 AM

Tootles, we are working through things one by one.

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#19 posted 09-03-2014 06:15 AM

Don’t really care for it myself. I liked it better the way it was. Just my Opinion!

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#20 posted 09-03-2014 06:20 AM

I quite understand that Cricket – I’m sure it is a long list. I’m just trying to make sure to add to the list ;-)

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#21 posted 09-03-2014 11:25 AM

Uhmmm, did it quit working?

Post #6 above says “Today 01:09pm”
Post #17 above says “Today 10:35pm”
Crickets post #18 says “Today 11:11pm”
Post # 20 just above mine says “Today 02:20am”

When did “Today” start and when did it end? Or is time running backwards?

(For reference, I post this at 07:24am Eastern time)

edit checking my reference time, the site IS showing MY LOCAL time.

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#22 posted 09-03-2014 12:01 PM

I really didn’t know of any problems on this site. Check here:
http://youtu.be/tBuUUBrC9eQ

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#23 posted 09-03-2014 12:31 PM


When did “Today” start and when did it end? Or is time running backwards?

- JoeinGa

Joe, it looks to me like “Today” is anything in the last 24 hours, regardless of what the calendar says.

As fast as the techies are making adjustments, who knows how long that will hold true. That is a compliment, not a criticism. They are doing a very good job tweaking the date/time to what many members have suggested. If they can somehow tie to to the individual computer clock and calendar, as Tootles requested, it could update again.

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#24 posted 09-03-2014 12:56 PM

Roger,

Guess what I will have stuck in my head all day?

Does anybody really care?

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#25 posted 09-03-2014 03:20 PM

Looks like here in CST…Cave Standard Time…the timestamps are mostly in the FUTURE!

No wonder I have trouble keeping up with you guys! :)

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#26 posted 09-03-2014 03:25 PM

I posted this reply at 10:25am CDT 03 Sep 14

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#27 posted 09-03-2014 03:25 PM



Looks like here in CST…Cave Standard Time…the timestamps are mostly in the FUTURE!

No wonder I have trouble keeping up with you guys! :)

- terryR

They are working on a solution.

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#28 posted 09-03-2014 03:33 PM

^not complaining at all…I’m a retired RN and computer programmer…am used to dealing with un-expected problems all day long. :)

Now I live on a Farm…talk about un-expected problems…

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#29 posted 09-03-2014 03:43 PM

It looks like the best solution is going to be to remove the “today” feature and simply have every post display the date and time.

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#30 posted 09-03-2014 04:49 PM

Testing time.

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#31 posted 09-03-2014 04:51 PM

Testing time.

That works!

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#32 posted 09-03-2014 06:07 PM

LOOKS GOOD!

I’m glad “TODAY” & “Yesterday” are gone….

Now we don’t have to wonder what they were! LOL … we will KNOW! LOL

Just curious, Cricket… Are you storing The TIME as GMT and converting from there Based on individual Time Zones?

I still say… we know what Century we’re in… the “20” is not required… LOL

Thank you very much!

Great Job…

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php

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#33 posted 09-03-2014 09:30 PM

Not to be contrary, but I like the old method much better. With the way it was, it was easy to see which were the new and which were the old postings.
Why fix something that ain’t broke?
As long as you are into changing the date, how about adding a button to order the listing in time order with the newest posting (not comment) first???
Just my 2 cents.

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#34 posted 09-03-2014 09:37 PM

I think showing an actual date is a terrific improvement.

It makes a lot more sense to show that a project was posted 05-15-2008 10:22 PM than 2302 days ago.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#35 posted 09-03-2014 09:41 PM

What The Dane said… :)

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#36 posted 09-03-2014 09:55 PM

I disagree, much easier to take a glance and see that a comment was made 6 hours ago instead of checking the time then having to calculate it.
Maybe comparing a date to 2302 days ago is more appropriate, but mostly for me, when I’m following comments they are usually within hours or a few days.
Just My Opinion though, I go with whatever is done, just glad I can give my opinion on what suits me best.

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#37 posted 09-03-2014 10:58 PM



I disagree, much easier to take a glance and see that a comment was made 6 hours ago instead of checking the time then having to calculate it.
Maybe comparing a date to 2302 days ago is more appropriate, but mostly for me, when I m following comments they are usually within hours or a few days.
Just My Opinion though, I go with whatever is done, just glad I can give my opinion on what suits me best.

- Iwud4u

+1

I like the old format much better also.

Now when I sign on it shows the time stamp 4 hours ahead. Hit the forms tab and the time corrects itself for my time zone.

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#38 posted 09-04-2014 12:49 AM

I can do a quick Time to Time difference faster than I can equate days to Date calculation in my head…

A days – days… and minutes – minutes… is much easier in my head than Days-Ago to When Date/Time…

Date / Time is much much better than Days Ago….

How are you going to get minutes from Days ago?

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#39 posted 09-04-2014 01:29 AM


How are you going to get minutes from Days ago?

- Joe Lyddon

At that point it’s REALLY not that important is it? lol

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#40 posted 09-04-2014 02:35 AM


I disagree, much easier to take a glance and see that a comment was made 6 hours ago instead of checking the time then having to calculate it.
Maybe comparing a date to 2302 days ago is more appropriate, but mostly for me, when I m following comments they are usually within hours or a few days.
Just My Opinion though, I go with whatever is done, just glad I can give my opinion on what suits me best.

- Iwud4u

+1

I like the old format much better also.

Now when I sign on it shows the time stamp 4 hours ahead. Hit the forms tab and the time corrects itself for my time zone.

- RRBOU

+1. Maybe in the minority but the new system makes it harder.

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#41 posted 09-04-2014 08:05 AM

Seeing as how the programmers have cracked this open, and are working on it, I’d like to make the following observations/suggestions…

1)
The problem with “delta dates” is only a problem when those numbers are large.
“45 days ago” means more to me than 23-7-2014 – I can instantly relate to something being 45 days ago. When I see that as a date I have to mentally do a subtraction to see how old that is – “ah, 45 days”
However, I cannot instantly relate to the age of something “1275 days ago” – once time gets “large”, an absolute date – 23-7-2011 means more than the delta date.

To resurrect my suggestion from march, 2012 – here – ...

if (postTimeAndDate is more than one week ago) then display in “absolute date/time” format
else display in “delta time” format

As of today, I’d probably favour “more than a month”, or even “more than 90 days”

2)
As someone mentioned – date formats are not international – here in Portugal there seems to be no standard – when I see 01-12-2014 I really have no idea whether that’s a january, or a december, date – thus that’s useless to me. I know this is a mostly American website, or, at least, populated mostly with Americans, but there are quite a lot of Non-Americans out here in lumberland.
Can we not use the 3 character abbreviation for months? It’s one more character than the 2 digit thing you’re currently using.
01-jan-2014 is instantly understandable to anyone able to do anything on this site – even non-native american speakers – and just that one character longer.

3)
Someone mentioned time zones. Forget that “problem” – I really don’t care whether a posting was made on the 2nd or the 3rd of january 3 years ago – really I don’t. For posts over, say, 3 months old, I’d even be happy just to see “january 2012”.
Time zone is, though, very much an issue for things posted very recently – the post above mine says it was posted at “03:35 AM”. I really have no idea when that was – perhaps it’s being displayed in my time zone and it was 5 hours ago. If you were to implement what I suggest in note 1 above – it would be displayed “delta time” – “6 hours ago” – which is instantly meaningful to me.

Just my ideas to do with as you will.

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#42 posted 09-04-2014 10:04 AM

+1 with knicknack
especially point 2)

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#43 posted 09-04-2014 10:49 AM

+1 for each of KnickKnack’s points.
Thank you for taking the time to share your very thoughtful insight.
The way it is now (timestamp) IS UGLY and LESS MEANINGFUL – I need to repeat that.

But that’s nothing compared to the possible negative impact it can have on posting behavior.

Just a quick poll: How many of you post on LJs during working time from eg. your office computer? And how many of you want LJs to show the evidence?
I personally don’t. That pretty much keeps me away from posting.
For the record, I posted this one from my iPhone…

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#44 posted 09-04-2014 11:58 AM

Maybe in the future some of the posting-time preferences could be settable in the user profile This could include “time since post” vs “date/time of post” and date format.

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#45 posted 09-04-2014 12:59 PM

After a much further review of the change, I’m in favor of the our old system. For me, I now have to stop and think to relate to when it was actually posted. Change is good but in this case I think not.

-- Dave, Downers Grove, Il. -------- When you run out of ideas, start building your dreams.

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#46 posted 09-04-2014 04:48 PM

Business time is NOT personal time & should NOT be done… IMHO, the business is being robbed if personal posting is done during business Time…

LJ should NOT be part of covering up the real time of when postings were made.

If postings were done during Breaks & Lunch time, NOT business time, it would tend to prove that postings were NOT done on Business time… better than being falsely accused… :)

To me, it’s not hard to mentally calculate approx number of days have elapsed since previous post…

To complicate things further, perhaps the Name of the Day: Sun, Mon,Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat, should be ADDED? LOL

The New way stands true & better IMHO…

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#47 posted 09-04-2014 04:55 PM

Unless the response is a one-liner, it looks like there should be room under the poster’s avatar to include BOTH:
  • ”#47 posted 09/04/2014 11:53am”
    AND
  • “posted xxx days ago”

Just a thought…

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#48 posted 09-04-2014 05:09 PM

Unless the response is a one-liner, it looks like there should be room under the poster s avatar to include BOTH: ”#47 posted 09/04/2014 11:53am”
AND
“posted xxx days ago”
- HorizontalMike

Fair point, with a couple of provisos…
1) 09/04/2014 still doesn’t mean much to many of us – is that september, or april? “4 Sep 2014” or some such has my vote by a long long way – if I had a vote, of course.
2) I went to your home page – the “Latest Activity” now includes the “new” format, and there isn’t room on there for an extra line – it’s twice the size it was before now already. And, reiterating – it used to be easy to look at those pages and see how “active” someone had been recently, or at a page such as this and see if the things above were “recent” – now I have to actually examine each date to make that determination.

I think “accessible” is the appropriate word here – “4 days ago” is an easy read and instantly understandable (until you get to “1027 days ago” – now I have to work out how many years that is) without requiring any brain processing – “04-Sep-2014” requires a little more brain cycles – “09-04-2014” requires a lot of power to relate that to the time now.

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#49 posted 09-04-2014 05:43 PM

Good idea... BUT, the word ‘posted’ can be removed because the whole series starts with “posted”... LOL

#48 posted 09-04-2014 10:09 AM 1 day ago

This is opening one Big Can of Worms…

We could also added a little more to the string… #48 posted 09-04-2014 10:09 AM Today 5 min. ago.

#4n posted 09-nn-2014 10:09 AM [nn days,] [nn hrs.,] [nn min.,] [nn secs] ago.

This might be pushing it a little… a tad… too far… LOL

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#50 posted 09-04-2014 05:57 PM



Unless the response is a one-liner, it looks like there should be room under the poster s avatar to include BOTH: ”#47 posted 09/04/2014 11:53am”
AND
“posted xxx days ago”

Just a thought…

- HorizontalMike

Concerns about how it is… I have been on the forum today, and it is harder for me to spot the ‘Older’ threads. 326 days ago is pretty straight forward, and I will gloss past it. I will generally miss looking for the year stamp. My 2 cents

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