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Found out I messed up my project after it was assembled. Advice appreciated...

by exterminate
posted 01-13-2014 02:14 PM


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ADHDan

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#1 posted 01-13-2014 02:32 PM

Would you have room to get in there with a right-angle drill attachment and a forstner bit?

-- Dan in Minneapolis, woodworking since 11/11.

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#2 posted 01-13-2014 02:38 PM

How about making 48 donut shape rings 1.375”x1/4” or so thick and glue them on the bored holes ?

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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NoLongerHere

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#3 posted 01-13-2014 02:41 PM

Call it a golf ball display cabinet and make another one.

I don’t think there are any options, short of cutting it down on the table saw and rebuilding it.

Even then, it would be easier to just make new drilled shelves than trying to make these holes slightly bigger with a drill press. one of the holes is going to get buggered, my bet.

If you rebuild it, can you find a better veneer for the back? something that matches and is not so loud. maple bead board veneer is kinda cool.

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exterminate

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#4 posted 01-13-2014 02:43 PM

Dan, there is only a little over 3.5” on the middle shelves, and 4.5 on the lower and upper. Not enough for a right angle drill with Foerster bit unless maybe I cut the shank on the forstner bit…worth a shot.

Ken, not a bad idea, just not sure how I feel about that one

Mark..I’m not there yet…but that may end up being the end result. So frustrating..

-- Albert Einstein - "I'd rather be an optimist and a fool than a pessimist and right."

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#5 posted 01-13-2014 02:44 PM

I don’t know how you could control the depth of the cut with a forstner bit in a hand held drill but you can certainly try. Can you pop the back off and cut the shelves out and clean out the dadoes with a small chisel? Then you could make new shelves and would only have to bore new holes in the one by bottom. Or else you could through drill new shelves with right diameter hole and glue them on top of the shelves that are already there. If this is something she payed you for you may have to suck it up and make another carcass as the error was yours. On the bright side, it doesn’t look too complicated.

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GOOD LUCK TO ALL

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#6 posted 01-13-2014 02:49 PM

Can you fill the holes and cut a new pc of 1/4 or 3/8 wood with new holes in it to sit on top of the old shelf.
Could be a different type of wood to make it look like it was on purpose/ part of the design.

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#7 posted 01-13-2014 02:51 PM

make another one – or the doughnut rings would be my second best solution if you could still fit the shot glass in there with them in place (shelf clearance height).

attempting to center a larger forstner over a smaller hole can lead to anything but frustration and a messed up board – and I’m talking when the board is NOT already glued into a tight area.

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#8 posted 01-13-2014 03:06 PM

when i have to re-drill a larger hole
i make a template board
with the new size
clamp it over the old one
your cut forstner bit might just work
as you will only be cutting a thin bit of the edge of the old hole
not the whole thing

make the template the right thickness
and when the bit top
is flush with the top of the template
you should have about just the right depth
in all the holes

slide it along and clamp
then for the end ones just cut one end of the template
to get closer to the corner

with a right angle drill
just be careful to keep it square
or the glasses may tilt

good luck

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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NoLongerHere

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#9 posted 01-13-2014 03:08 PM

what if you made another 1/4” shelf with the right size holes drilled and glued it on top?

this would work!

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#10 posted 01-13-2014 03:11 PM

This might work
First cut the the glue lines with a exacto blade, take your time and make sure you have them cut very well.Then use a bottle jack or spreader clamp to force it apart. If damage occurs to the shelves you can just cut the damage off and reduce the size of the box a little.
Another alternative is to make thin boards with properly size drilled holes and glue on top of your existing shelves,if you use a contrasting wood like walnut it will look a design choice rather than a repair.

Edit
Mark and I must have been typing at the same time

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#11 posted 01-13-2014 03:16 PM

Maybe make a thin shelf with the correct diameter holes (through holes) and laminate it on top of existing shelf? Probably nobody would ever notice the original holes, and if some of the shot glasses were smaller, they would be centered in the holes by the original holes. Might even look like you planned it that way.

-- Quote from ebay tool listing: " Has nicks and dings wear and tear dust and dirt rust and pitting but in good working condition"

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Craftsman on the lake

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#12 posted 01-13-2014 03:28 PM

Purchase a smaller set of glasses. weird I know but just a thought…

or… drill a 1/8 hole in the center. Place a short dowel in the hole and store the glasses upside down. The peg should almost reach to the bottom of the glass and stop them from sliding out.

or… along the same lines.. glue a short 1.25” wide round bung into each wrong size indent. Store glasses upside down on them.

or…Make new thin trays that sit in each shelf area with the correct indentation size. The tray could be removed to get a rack of glasses out at a time.

or… some of the other ideas above.

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exterminate

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#13 posted 01-13-2014 03:45 PM

Thank you all! You have all given me hope that this can possibly be salvaged. I’m not very good at all this yet, and though its a simple design, it took me quite a bit of time to execute. I’m leaning towards the lamination of a thin dark specie wood to the existing shelf, with holes bored through at the correct diameter. I used Mahogany splines, so Mahogany on the shelves would match. I do want to fill the holes I did wrong, so I’m thinking of using thin cork material for that. It would provide a soft cushion for the glasses to sit on, and may look like a feature as well, instead of part of a fix.

Thank you all again! I really appreciate your time and thoughts!

-- Albert Einstein - "I'd rather be an optimist and a fool than a pessimist and right."

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Grandpa

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#14 posted 01-13-2014 03:52 PM

I this were my project I think I would make another one. I would probably never be happy with this cabinet and I would hate it. I would make a new display cabinet and call this…..a golf ball display cabinet as someone suggested. You will probably wreck this cabinet making the change. When you finish with this please post on here and let us know what you did and how it worked for you.

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rockom

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#15 posted 01-13-2014 03:53 PM

You could bevel the leading edge of your thin add in. It may make it look thinner than it actually is when standing a few feet away.

-Rocko

-- -> Malta, IL -<

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#16 posted 01-13-2014 04:01 PM

A simple design that took you a long time to execute, and you still screwed it up. How many others here have done that. I’ll be the first to raise my hand. The (somewhat) cool thing is that you learned both through the building and the fixing. I remember one of the first things I built, when I was a kid, was a toolbox. I figured it all out, cut all my pieces, then discovered that I had cut the top the same size as the bottom. The bottom was inset into the toolbox, surrounded/framed by the sides for strength, and the top was supposed overlap the sides and front/back. Now the top was too small in length and width. Doh!!! Most of the time I at least sketch out my plan on paper, so I can have my “doh!!!” moment when all it takes to fix is an eraser!

-- Quote from ebay tool listing: " Has nicks and dings wear and tear dust and dirt rust and pitting but in good working condition"

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GrandpaLen

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#17 posted 01-13-2014 04:31 PM

The Indents were a great idea.

I have made several Knick Knack Shelves, none with indents, but the knick knicks never had a problem staying on the shelves.
You have already suffered your embarrassment (sorry ‘bout that) so the easiest fix for this oopsy is to 1.) make another display or 2.) which is my personal favorite, if the display is symetrical and finished the same, bottum, top and sides, invert the cabinet and reposition the hangers and sit the shot glasses on the flat side of the shelves.
...just a thought.

The ‘Fix’ doesn’t always have to be complicated.

Best Regards. – Grandpa Len.
Work Safely and have Fun.

-- Mother Nature should be proud of what you've done with her tree. - Len ...just north of a stone's throw from the oHIo, river that is, in So. Indiana.

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Lee Barker

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#18 posted 01-13-2014 04:44 PM

Do you want to have to apologize for your workmanship? Then attempt to rebuild it. The result will be second rate and in my experience that is a certainty.

The cleanest approach, from an emotional point of view, is to build a new one, correctly, make it better than the last, and loft the latter into the dumpster. Present the project to the client. Then back in the shop for the next task. Do this and you are always moving forward.

Kindly,

Lee

-- "...in his brain, which is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage, he hath strange places cramm'd with observation, the which he vents in mangled forms." --Shakespeare, "As You Like It"

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#19 posted 01-13-2014 05:01 PM

Ugh! I hate these kinds of issues (and I’ve had them, believe me).

It’s a really tough call but I think you have to redo it, especially since she’s already seen it. The good thing is you can reuse the door and hinges.

Sorry this happened friend but it’s a true learning experience. I guarantee this issue won’t happen again. ;)

-- Thank you Lord for the passion and ability to make things from your creation.

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#20 posted 01-13-2014 05:08 PM

+1 to everyone who says just rebuild it. Lesson learned, move on. We’ve all got scrap bins full of “prototypes.”

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exterminate

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#21 posted 01-13-2014 05:22 PM

I understand the users posting to rebuild and scrap. I just hate to just scrap it, and I think that the fix could work really well. Maybe a compromise is in order…I’ll make a new one correctly, and fix the original as posted earlier. Then, I’ll let her decide which she likes better, and maybe attempt to sell the other. If the other sells, great. If not, I’ll cut it up and make something else from the scraps.

I hate Mondays…..

-- Albert Einstein - "I'd rather be an optimist and a fool than a pessimist and right."

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#22 posted 01-13-2014 06:20 PM

I see you have a door there so I would just rebuild the carcass – no point in making two of everything. I guarantee it will take you half the time as you’ve already done it once. Then put the old one on the workshop wall and bore out through holes and make it for router bits.

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NoLongerHere

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#23 posted 01-14-2014 12:53 AM

I know…..tell her to start collecting tennis balls.

how bout an egg holder for the fridge?

if you notched the holes, you could use it for a very short spoon collection too.

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404 - Not Found

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#24 posted 01-14-2014 01:21 AM

If you stack a new thin shelf on top of the wrong ones, you could edge the joins with iron on veneer. If you did the donuts, you could make them easily with two hole saws.
Patron has the right ideal with a template for the new holes.

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