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Delta 36-725 13-Amp 10-in Table Saw

by talle
posted 11-05-2013 05:53 PM


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#51 posted 01-11-2014 02:40 PM

Yeah, that is possible. Didn’t really think about that angle. You are right, the pic above sure doesn’t look like an induction motor, so I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

I’m not in the market either, but the company I work for has to compete against Lowe’s and it’s also possible we may have a customer want to special order this saw from Delta, so I would like all the information at my disposal to help them make a good decision.

-- https://www.jtplaneworks.com - In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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#52 posted 01-11-2014 02:43 PM

There was a little wobble (.01”) in the blade at first, but in my experience it was no better or worse than other contractor saws I used Mathias' techniques to flatten the arbor flanges and got it down to about .002” so it is quite acceptable now. I had to do he same thing to my Ridgid. As far as the blade raising, mine actually moved in the other direction (away from the fence) when I got it, there is an adjustment set screw on the guide post that corrects this.

It is definitely an induction motor (Phase 1 3450 RPM etc), not sure why they don’t use the horsepower rating but if I had to guess, it’s probably that they are typically selling to people used to buying things with universal motors. (just a wild guess, god know what these marketing guys are thinking.) There IS a small enclosed belt directly under the arbor. the motor is mounted parallel to the arbor, I have it apart right now to work on the dust collection, so Ill take more pics this weekend and upload them.

I have decided that I am going to remove the dust collection and take advantage of the motor being inside the box and seal it up and put a 4” dust port in the bottom. After using it a bit, I find that the dust collection shroud inside is a bit in the way for blade changes and if small pieces fall down there, it is really difficult to get them out. Also, while the dust collection is pretty good for a Lowe’s factory feature, and would be very adequate if I were using it more as a mobile saw, there is still a bit more free range dust than I would like, and being the most used tool in the shop, I need to upgrade it a bit.

-- Measure Twice, cut two, three times, plane, join, sand, coat, sand, coat, sand, coat, buff, wax, polish, brag. It's a process.

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#53 posted 01-11-2014 02:46 PM

Tyler – Thanks for clarifying on the induction motor…..that’s a definite plus IMO.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#54 posted 01-11-2014 04:37 PM

I am still curious to hear how closely related the guts of this saw are to the Porter Cable PC270TS that it is replacing at Lowes. Hopefully we’ll get some good info soon.

-- paxorion

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#55 posted 01-11-2014 06:06 PM

”I am still curious to hear how closely related the guts of this saw are to the Porter Cable PC270TS that it is replacing at Lowes.”

From what I’ve been able to glean from pics, they don’t look overly similar….table vs cabinet mounted trunnions, albeit fairly light duty cabinet mounted trunnions.

Delta pics shown above:

PCB270TS:
!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#56 posted 01-11-2014 07:16 PM

BTW, it is currently shown as out of stock on the Lowes website.

-- Ken, Blaine Washington

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#57 posted 01-11-2014 09:33 PM

My local Lowes has two on the sales floor. Unfortunately, they’re still in their boxes. I’m not in the market for a new saw, but I’ve been curious to see one of these in-person.

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#58 posted 01-12-2014 08:54 AM

I’d be surprised if it had anything in common with the PC saw since they are now owned by different companies.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#59 posted 01-13-2014 06:28 PM

Here are some more pics of it all disassembled.
Belt Drive

Induction motor


Cast aluminum trunions


Also, the wheels can be reversed (I plan on doing this since I think it would be easier o access once I have a table built for the right side.) Here is a pic of how I am sealing it up to add a dust chute to the bottom of the box to maximize the suction at the point of cut.

-- Measure Twice, cut two, three times, plane, join, sand, coat, sand, coat, sand, coat, buff, wax, polish, brag. It's a process.

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#60 posted 01-14-2014 12:57 AM

I’m disappointed with delta. I was hoping to see more like the prototypes they showed at AWFS 2011. http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/39612/awfs-tool-news-jet-powermatic-and-delta-retool-their-brands

Where the midi Sharper they promised?

Has delta fixed the 22-590?

-- Andrew, Ohio https://www.etsy.com/shop/AndrewBetschman

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Woodknack

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#61 posted 01-14-2014 03:12 AM

Maybe they are testing rather than throwing out half baked crap like Black Decker.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#62 posted 01-17-2014 03:28 PM

Tyler, I think I see some sawdust in one of your pics – how’s it perform? :) Thanks for everyone’s input – this saw remains tempting.

-- Billy

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#63 posted 01-17-2014 11:02 PM

OK, got one! Was completely ready to spend a bit more money (Grizzly, Craftsman/Steel City Hybrids…) but after a few calls, one Lowe’s in my area honored the Harbor Freight 20% coupon! :) Even if I do upgrade down the road, it’s a great value for my near-term needs. Just unpacked it and overall, I’m pretty impressed with the build quality. Hope to share more impressions soon.

-- Billy

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#64 posted 01-18-2014 01:49 AM

OK, I’m curious how one convinces Lowes to honor a HF 20% coupon. I think I’ll have to try at my Lowes since they have a Delta in a box ready to go, but I want to try to negotiate the discount right the first time LOL. Any hints?

-- Ken, Blaine Washington

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#65 posted 01-18-2014 02:18 AM

I’m convinced that HD/Lowes honoring the 20% HF coupons is a statistical minority, akin to winning on a lottery scratcher. Heck, the HD/Lowes near me flip flop on which coupons they’ll honor other than each other’s (e.g. Ace Hardware?). Now if someone came up with a mind-control device for HD/Lowes managers, then maybe the odds can be raised.

-- paxorion

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#66 posted 01-18-2014 04:30 AM

It seems there is no formula for honoring the coupon and in my case, it’s probably pure luck. Two other stores gave me specific policy reasons for not honoring the competitor offer but the third – via the manager on call – agreed to it. Sure feels like the store managers are left to decide. For many buyers, the savings of $120 would not be a factor but for me, it was a push to take a chance.

-- Billy

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#67 posted 01-18-2014 06:26 AM

Yeah my local Borgs won’t honor any coupon except from each other.
Several people have bought this new Delta, curious to hear some feedback.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#68 posted 01-21-2014 04:40 PM

I’m curious how Tyler is doing with trying out his new Delta.

I was at my Lowes store yesterday and asked about honoring the HF 20% discount coupon. The tool dept manager said they don’t at his store because they don’t see HF as a competitor (which in this case is across the street from them). He did say he’d take 10% off if I got a Lowes credit card.
I’m still torn between this saw and the Grizzly G0732 for $50 more. Grizzly is only 2 miles from my Lowes store in Bellingham.

-- Ken, Blaine Washington

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#69 posted 01-21-2014 05:20 PM

I’m still torn between this saw and the Grizzly G0732 for $50 more. Grizzly is only 2 miles from my Lowes store in Bellingham.”

Take a good look at both (or any saw if you can) before buying, and note that the G0732 isn’t quite full size…it’s only 25” deep, which means that add-ons like full size solid cast iron wings, and some fences are going to be harder to fit.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#70 posted 01-21-2014 08:55 PM

”Take a good look at both (or any saw if you can) before buying, and note that the G0732 isn’t quite full size…it’s only 25” deep, which means that add-ons like full size solid cast iron wings, and some fences are going to be harder to fit.”

Good point. Thanks for the reminder about that. I had thought of that but had temporarily forgotten again! i think the Delta has a better fence too, as well as being cheaper.

-- Ken, Blaine Washington

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#71 posted 01-21-2014 09:03 PM

Don’t confuse the new Delta stuff with the old Delta quality. Too much riding on a brand rather than built in quality. I have the same opinion about the old versus new Porter Cable products. Just my opinion.
Bill

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#72 posted 01-21-2014 09:59 PM

Thanks Bill. I’m aware that the new products are not the same. But I’m not in the market for a super heavy-duty last-forever saw like the older Deltas. I’m a casual hobbyist in my late 60’s and am looking for something that does decent work, with good safety features and good dust removal capability. So anything over $700 or $800, as nice as it may be, seems like overkill for my needs. Heck, I just built a large maple L-shaped built-in desk with overhead cabinets and lower file cabinet drawers using my Ridgid circular saw on a cutting jig for big cuts, and my son-in-laws lightweight flimsy aluminum and plastic Craftsman contractor’s saw. What it lacks in precision and speed has to be compensated (by me) in patience and extra obsessive care. So almost anything would be an improvement.
So while I’ve been tempted by various Unisaws etc. on Craigslist, I think the safety and cleanliness of newer saws are higher priorities for me than longevity and production offered by the robust older units.

-- Ken, Blaine Washington

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#73 posted 01-21-2014 10:24 PM

”...lightweight flimsy aluminum and plastic Craftsman contractor’s saw…”

Just so we’re all talking the same language, your SIL’s saw sounds like a benchtop or portable jobsite saw. Most of us consider a contractor saw to be a full size cast iron stationary saw. The term “contractor saw” is kind of confusing, because most contractors actually use a jobsite saw these days.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#74 posted 01-21-2014 10:49 PM

Yeah, my bad. It is a benchtop saw.

-- Ken, Blaine Washington

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#75 posted 01-22-2014 02:59 AM

First post here after a little lurking. I put the new delta together this weekend, but have not cut any wood yet. My pre-review:

The directions are not the greatest. The hardware list does not match the actual hardware supplied, so much so that I thought I was missing a lot of hardware. Mine was missing the 2 middle table wing screws. These 2 screws are different than the outside screws, however the manual says they are the same.

My cast table is not very flat, it dips toward the blade insert. I pulled some of the dip out with a piece of wood corner to corner, and a clamp pulling up (put the clamp through the blade opening). All alignments are pretty far off. Blade is off parallel to the miter slot by .021, seems excessive. There is visual blade wobble at start up, I measured .012 at the outside of blade plate (this could be a blade problem). The riving knife is not parallel with the blade. I had planned to tune the saw anyway, but it really bugs me when the manual says “it was adjusted at the factory and should be good”.

I’m a little concerned about adjusting the trunnion. It is held on by 2 screws at each corner. These screws are countersunk into the aluminum trunnion. It looks like they will always self center themselves directly with the threads in the cast top, and not allow any adjustment. I have not tried yet, anyone have a suggestion? The manual does not have directions for adjusting the trunnion.

Jay

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#76 posted 01-22-2014 03:33 AM

Jay: Thanks for sharing this information. Seems like most things these days have poor instructions and missing items. I’m curious if your method of trying to flatten the top worked, as I would think that cast iron is pretty brittle and rather than being flattened permanently it might go back to its unforced position. And I thought it might crack if moved too much. Did yours maintain the flatness after your removed the clamp?

-- Ken, Blaine Washington

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texbilly

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#77 posted 01-22-2014 02:19 PM

The instructions are not perfect but I’ve seen far, far worse. My hardware matched 1:1 with no extras or mismatches though it would help if the hardware list was numbered and referenced in the assembly steps.

After a quick check, my table seems pretty flat and I’ve only completed a cursory blade alignment, which doesn’t look too awful. My fence rides very smoothly and the split rail is a non-factor. I was expecting a bump or need to lift but it never happened and I haven’t even dialed it in.

As in all these things, a deeper dive may or may not reveal other issues so I’ll share when I can. And Jay: I never trust the “adjusted at the factory” claims! :) Weekend plan: cut some wood!

-- Billy

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#78 posted 01-22-2014 05:32 PM

I agree about the manual Billy, have seen worse, but should be a lot better. I ordered a couple decent blades and want to mount them before I go after the trunnion.

I also don’t see the split rails as being a problem. They align almost perfect and you can not “feel” the joint when moving or locking the fence.

Also, the saw is very sturdy. The lift mechanism works well and the saw rolls nicely.

Billy, did you adjust your trunnion? If so, how did it work out?

Ken, cast will give a bit before cracking. Mine was just a little better after pulling it up, not much.

Jay

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texbilly

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#79 posted 01-23-2014 12:16 AM

Jay, no trunnion adjustment yet but I did take a closer look at parallel, using a jig, and it will need to move a bit. Add that to the list. I also checked my table again and am more convinced mine is quite flat. Yes!

-- Billy

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#80 posted 01-23-2014 01:52 AM

Glad to hear that about your table. Hopefully I can try the trunnion adjustment this weekend. I will report back.

Jay

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#81 posted 01-23-2014 05:43 PM

I just went down to Lowes and they price matched a harbor freight 25% off coupon!! The bad news is they don’t have one in stock they said it would be on the next truck! So the delta 36-725 was $449.28.

Someone posted this earlier i think it was ICE99? How do I go about doing this?

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#82 posted 01-23-2014 06:23 PM

What happened to the op (talie) on this one?

Hope I’m not too late! Don’t do it!

I saw this saw at lowes a few days ago, and if I was a delta rep I would be very embarrassed .

I can safely say that if you have no expectations and don’t really need a table saw that you might like it!

JB

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#83 posted 01-24-2014 02:12 AM

JB can you be more specific?

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#84 posted 01-24-2014 04:41 AM

Yes, I would like more specifics too. I can only assume Delta decided that there was a market for saws in the $600 range that would suit people who don’t need or can’t justify a much more expensive saw. Most saws in this $500-$600 price range are obviously not going to be as robust or precise as higher priced professional-grade saws, but if they do a decent job and offer suitable up-to-date safety features, they may be suitable for many hobbyists. If there are significant shortcomings, I’d be curious to hear what other better alternatives there are in this price range.

-- Ken, Blaine Washington

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#85 posted 01-24-2014 09:19 AM

hey guys, im new to the forum, and relatively new to woodworking. i just bought this delta saw from lowes, and i paid retail $599 plus tax ( came out to about $650) but i think it was worth it. got it home and unloaded it out of the truck and set it all up by my self ( thank god for over head block and tackle on a rail!) anyways i just finished putting it all together, but havent tested it yet. cant anyone give me advice on how to go about setting up the blade and everything so that its square, and how to get the bevel to line up on the marks, to where it is actualy angled? also im going to have to shim my fence a little bit, out of the box its not perfectly square with the blade, the end on the other side of the table from me, cocks over to the right a little bit when i tighten the cam.

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#86 posted 01-24-2014 11:49 AM

Kirbi, both of those adjustments are spelled out in the manual. For the blade, I think most people use use a square to set the blade at 90, and a known 45 degree triangle to set the 45 (combo square, framing square, etc.) Then adjust the hard stop on top of the table (2 set screws in front of the blade). After that you can asjust the curser on the bevel scale to martch. There are also 2 set screws to adjust the fence. Again, it’s in the manual. Clear as mud?

Jay

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#87 posted 01-24-2014 03:59 PM

Kirbi, Yep – adjusting the fence parallel and perpendicular is on page 29 but I haven’t tested it to see how reliably it locks it in place. For what it’s worth, I’ve always measured from front and back blade teeth to the “half locked” fence before cutting anything requiring a precise dimension. I then simply nudge the fence if needed and lock it down. Have fun – I hope to do the same this weekend!

-- Billy

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#88 posted 01-24-2014 07:36 PM

well i zero’ed in the fence and the blade stops. it was surprisingly easy. just use an allen wrench. and now the fence is nice and square, and it locks in very reliably, and the split rail is a non issue. only took me three try’s to get it perfectly inline and on plane. after i set the bevel stops for 90 and 45 degrees ( actually only had to set the 90 degree stop) the indicator is reading spot on. i could nott be happier. I’ve been bragging about this saw to all my friends and now my boss at work wants one. i still have’nt cut anything on it yet, but will report back after doing some work on the saw. but so far, I’m in love.

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#89 posted 01-24-2014 08:17 PM

”....i could not be happier. I’ve been bragging about this saw to all my friends and now my boss at work wants one. i still have’nt cut anything on it yet,....”

Gotta admire the enthusiasm, but you’ll have some explaining to do if it cuts horribly…especially if they go out and buy one on your say-so. Make it earn the bragging rights….put some miles on it first.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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texbilly

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#90 posted 01-24-2014 09:11 PM

Excellent Kirbi! Glad to hear the adjustment features actually serve a purpose!

-- Billy

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#91 posted 01-25-2014 07:21 AM

Just got my saw set set up! I might need to do a little ajusting, I get a little bump where the rails connect and I need to ajust the trunnions a little she is about 1/8 off the measuring tape, I have never assembled a “large” saw before so I am sure that I just need to get it adjusted right. Assembly was ok, I really wish they would label the bolts better and give you more pictures. I did turn it on a cut a scrap piece of wood…SUPER QUITE!!! I thought it might have some problem because it was was so quite, you don’t need ear muffs at all. I was a little worried about assembling it by myself but if you can lift 50 #’s you should be fine to tip it over, I put an old blanket down on the floor first so that it would not get scratched up on the concrete floor. Again I don’t know much about these types of saws but I don’t why they could just not have included a one piece rail… I mean the only reason I can see is that it would not fit in the box, but it would make thing so easy! I am sure no one would mind a separate box.. Getting the blade square was very easy mine did not have any problem getting 90, I need to understand the positive stop process a little though it seems that no matter how tight I set the srew I can still keep turning the wheel and get it past 90 without to much effort… again I think the saw is good I just need to learn and understand everything better. Cutting my one piece of scrap was very nice I can’t wait to get it set up perfect and to start making saw dust!

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#92 posted 01-25-2014 08:02 AM

the only reason I can see is that it would not fit in the box

That’s actually a pretty substantial reason from a manufacturing, distribution, and retail viewpoint.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#93 posted 01-25-2014 04:44 PM

You adjust the trunnions if the blade is not parallel to the miter slot. If the tape is off, there is probably a way to move the plastic see though piece to adjust by 1/8th. Since this is your first time, you may not want to mess with the trunnions if they aren’t off. As for the split rail, you could try putting vise grips or clamps across the gap as you tighten the bolts. That might keep both sides more inline with each other.

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#94 posted 01-26-2014 04:42 AM

i still havent used my saw yet im too nervous lol! i did go to lowes and bought a nice 16 gallon 5.75 hp shop-vac for it to collect the sawdust. it was on sale for $50, apparently it was left over from black friday. great little vaccuum. yeah setting mine up was easy because i have a slideing overhead block and tackle chain fall on an I beam. so once i put the legs on i just lifted it up out of the box and then set it back down on a rubber mat, and then flipped it over useing the 2×4 to protect the dust collector, worked great.
oh yeah the pictures on the box and the pictures ive seen online and even the demo they had setup at lowes are all wrong the instructions clearly state that the foot pedal /caster goes on the left side of the saw, so its easy to get to. so thats where i put mine

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#95 posted 01-26-2014 04:46 AM

I’m eager to hear from owners of this new saw how well the dust collection works, as that is an important issue for me.

-- Ken, Blaine Washington

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#96 posted 01-26-2014 05:23 AM

ill plug it in tomorrow morning along with my new shop-vac and run some test cuts over clean floor to let you know, i might even take a video i’m eager to know too. but i do know it runs extremly quite, and with almost no vibration LEAPS AND BOUNDS above my landlords older model rigid table saw.

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kirbi69

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#97 posted 01-26-2014 08:33 PM

ok well i made a video about how the saw performs on its dust collection. check it out here…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDV20yV2UBM

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keninblaine

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#98 posted 01-26-2014 10:18 PM

Thanks for the video Kirbi. I’m curious if the residual sawdust is typical of other table saws with dust collectors, and if a high volume dust collector does a better job or not.

Any reason why you had to remove the blade guard for your test cuts? Made me nervous. Also, perhaps there would be less sawdust on you if the blade guard was in place?

The blade seemed to stop fairly quickly when you turned off the saw.

Nice looking saw. I’m very tempted.

-- Ken, Blaine Washington

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kirbi69

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#99 posted 01-26-2014 10:53 PM

i guess i could use the safeties more, but i was taught to use saws without them my whole life growing up, along with all kinds of other tools, and fire arms, and my dad always taught me the best safty is the one between your ears.

atleast if i get hurt, it wont hurt anyone else.

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#100 posted 01-27-2014 06:14 PM

Hi Everyone, I’ve been reading this thread for sometime to get feedback on the Delta 36-725 TS and finally pulled the trigger and purchased one at my local Lowes yesterday. Thanks to everyone who’s contributed to the reviews, provided pictures, and their insights.

To all those who are still interested in purchasing this (or another saw from Lowes) I was able to get the Lowes manager to match the HF 20% coupon. You just have to ask around and ask the right person. Usually the cashier will have to get approval from the front supervisor to process the discount.

And it pays to check how they match the HF coupon….In my case the cashier manually calculated the discount and then rang up the TS as 479$. This allowed me to take my receipt to customer service the next day and they applied a lowes 10% off coupon ( I just moved to the area & got the 10% coupon from USPS change of address). So basically I was able to get the 36-725 for ~$430 plus tax.

Now the adventure to set my new TS up begins!

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