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Any experience with new Laguna 14/12 bandsaw?

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posted 09-18-2013 06:59 AM


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#1 posted 09-19-2013 07:13 PM

Bump

-- Les

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#2 posted 09-19-2013 08:31 PM

This saw has a lot of nice features, I scanned the manual for blade guide adjustment and seems straight forward. I always remove the table on my BS to adjust lower blade & thrust bearings so no problem. Actually did not see a thrust bearings top or bottom but they are mentioned. Did not read all 68 pages.

I do not own a Rikon, but looks like Laguna has more features I like.

Laguna has been both horrible and fair with customer service. So would have to see the band saw before buying. At one time their European Bandsaw were world class. Pretty sure this is a China made band saw but so is mine so not a problem for me.

-- Bill

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#3 posted 09-19-2013 10:50 PM

Thanks for the feedback Bill. Between the 2 saws I’m convinced I like the Laguna better from what I’ve read, but I agree that I’d like to see the saw before buying. But don’t think that’s possible for me – no stores nearby carry them.

Was really hoping someone out there had some first hand information/experience, but I may just have to take a leap of faith and buy it. If I do, I’ll post a review.

-- Les

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#4 posted 09-20-2013 09:00 PM

This band saw is so new not sure it has been displayed at woodworking shows held across the country yet. Guess that is why no one is talking about it on various message boards.

You might contact Laguna by e-mail and see if they will be displaying at any shows soon. Would also ask them about free shipping. Many items bought from them rate free shipping in lower 48 states.

Watching the video thought mobile base was standard feature, guess it is an optional accessory. Not a problem plenty less expensive alternatives.

-- Bill

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#5 posted 09-21-2013 12:10 AM

Just my opinion…but utilizing only 110 I’m not sure you’ll get the full value from a Laguna. It is an excellent saw to be sure. But for the kind of money you’re spending, I’d also consider adding 220 to really make it worth while. Just a thought…

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#6 posted 09-21-2013 03:04 AM

Bill,

I really wanted a saw now and read enough to convince me the Laguna would be a good value so I ordered it today. As it turns out, I posted the same question on sawmillcreek and found someone else that placed his order today too, so should start seeing reviews soon :)

Woodwerks.com is the Laguna distributor/rep for my area and have flat-rate drop ship with lift gate service for $49.

Scrub – Early on I thought about the 220 option, but would be alot more work than I can justify. This BS isn’t replacing an older, less powerful one, it’s my first. I’m a hobbyist and I’m pretty sure this saw will be more than I need. But thanks for the feedback!

-- Les

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#7 posted 09-21-2013 10:34 AM

Scrubplane

What would be the advantage of going to the expense to add 220 to the shop for a 1.75 hp motor? It won’t give you anymore HP.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#8 posted 09-21-2013 11:56 AM

AlaskaGuy,

I think Scrubplane meant that with 220 I could get a more powerful Laguna BS like the LT14 3000 with a 2HP motor and 14” resaw capacity (i.e., to get “the full value from a Laguna”). Would be nice, but that saw’s an extra $300 plus the cost of installing 220. As it is, I’m at the limit of my budget. I really think the 14/12 is the right choice for me.

-- Les

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#9 posted 09-21-2013 01:31 PM

Sakle2K, good luck with your new band saw, please let us know how it works for you.

If not mistaken specs say 115/230 volts so switching would be no problem later if want too! I am in the same boat with only 110V service and my band saw works just fine. Think it is possible to switch to 220V too.

-- Bill

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#10 posted 09-21-2013 01:56 PM

The design on this tool looks pretty sweet. On paper this saw address a sweet spot in the market for serious hobbyists/small shop pros, with tons of functionality, reasonable price point, and 110 volt power. After a year of anticipation, mine will arrive next week. Can’t wait to put it through its paces and see if it lives up to my expectations.

-- PaulMayer, http://www.vernswoodgoods.com

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#11 posted 09-22-2013 12:52 PM

Thanks Bill, I’ll let everyone know what I think. You’re right re. 110/220. From what I’‘ve read in other posts debating power, if your equipment is running on 110 and isn’t bogging down, dimming the lights or popping the breaker, it’s hard to justify the effort/expense of running 220. If after running it I have any of those problems, I’ll plan on the 220 upgrade, although I don’t have any electrical issues in my shop now.

Paul, I agree with you. When I saw the specs and price of this it really jumped out at me. Good luck with your saw. I’m hoping to have mine next Friday.

-- Les

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#12 posted 10-03-2013 09:38 PM

My saw arrived last Friday. So far I can’t imagine needing any more saw than this. I was concerned that running it on 110v. would be limiting what the saw could do, but so far so good. I’ve been able to resaw a regular 2×4 paper thin using a Laguna 3/8” blade. I also got the Laguna 5/8” for larger board resaws but haven’t tried it yet.

The fit/finish of the saw is really first class, although I had a problem with the table. Tightening the table split clamp would not bring the front and back of the table into alignment. The front (infeed) portion of the table is lower than the rear causing wood to catch when being pushed into the blade. With a straight edge across the split, I was able to fit 3 sheets of paper (.012”) in the gap.

I called Woodwerks who sold me the saw and they suggested I contact Laguna directly and ask to speak to Jason (although anyone could help). I called and mentioned the pictures I took which Jason looked at and immediately said that the table would be replaced. I received a phone call back a short time later letting me know that Laguna needs to order the new table and will send me an email when it’s shipped. It will include an RA to return the other table to them.

I was initially put off from reading so many negative reviews of Laguna’s customer service, and was close to getting the Rikon so that I wouldn’t have to worry about it. But Woodwerks assured me that all that has changed, and if I were to have any problems dealing with them, they would call on my behalf. I’m very satisfied with the way this was handled and have no hesitation is recommending both the saw and Woodwerks.

-- Les

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#13 posted 10-04-2013 12:21 AM

So far so good, now we just need to see how long it takes to get the replacement table.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#14 posted 10-04-2013 01:14 AM

My suggestion promoting 220 over 110 is certainly not critical but is three-fold.

First, one advantage of running 220 is that are drawing the power from both hot legs in the circuit box…meaning, your tool will reach maximum speed more quickly.

Second, and far more importantly, there are two hots, so it will only pull half the amperage through each hot lead, meaning all your wiring both leading to the tool and within the motor itself will run cooler . . . with a dual voltage motor, the two windings in the motor run in series for 115v, and in parallel at 230v with half the amps running through the windings . . . cooler is always a good thing as the motor will last longer.

A bit over-kill in some applications I agree…just my preference I guess. THANKS…

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#15 posted 10-04-2013 02:00 AM

resawing 12” sounds terrifying

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#16 posted 10-04-2013 02:01 AM

My main panel is already chock full, so I would have to run a subpanel and 220v lines for garage and rewiring a few things. In California that would probably cost more than the 14|12.

I would love to get a vintage 16” bandsaw, but finding a decent one in the SoCal CL is pretty slim as of recent. The 14|12 seems like a viable alternative.

-- Scott

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#17 posted 10-04-2013 03:40 AM

Just curious why you skipped over the Grizzly G0555 series?

-- Nick, “I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it.” – Vincent Van Gogh

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#18 posted 10-04-2013 03:42 AM

Scott – what has eaten up an entire panel in your shop if there are no 220v lines, I’m just curious…

-- Nick, “I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it.” – Vincent Van Gogh

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#19 posted 10-04-2013 02:37 PM

Nick, I did consider the Grizzly G0555X (as well as the Rikon 10-325) and although the Laguna cost more, I felt it was worth it.

I wanted to buy as much bandsaw as I could within my budget and that would fit my shop. The difference in price compared to the Grizzly (delivered) was $220. For the extra money, I got the Laguna guides, a 1.75 HP motor and slightly larger table.

Although, I’m sure if I had bought the Grizzly I would have been totally satisfied with it.

-- Les

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#20 posted 10-04-2013 06:11 PM

Nick-

Sorry if I was not clear. Our house’s main panel (150A service I believe) is chock full. I will have to sort out the electrical someday (after I win the lottery) as my garage shop, which does not yet have its own panel, is woefully undersupplied.

-- Scott

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#21 posted 10-04-2013 06:57 PM

Scott

Ah I figured you had a 200A panel, running a sub panel isn’t to hard though just bring another person to help.

Although the codes in CA might be more restrictive then in NY.

-- Nick, “I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it.” – Vincent Van Gogh

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#22 posted 10-05-2013 09:15 AM

There are tons of those Lagunas here (Costa Rica). Almost every large( more than 4 employees—LOL) has one.
I used one at a friends shop for most of my furniture before building my saw. It’s what I’d buy if I did furniture regularly.Unbelievably smooth running.

-- What day is it ? No matter. Ummmm What month is it ? No moron. I paid for a 2 x 6. That means Two inches by six inches. I want the rest of my wood.

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#23 posted 10-15-2013 03:20 AM

I own the Laguna LT16 HD and have just added the 14-12 to my shop. Many of the above comments are appropriate and some are nonsense. Firstly, if the motor is under 2 hp it makes no difference whether it is run on 220 0r 110. 1 horsepower is approx 750 watts. Most 110 circuits don’t exceed 20 amps. (Do the math). Second this saw is probably the best made (fit and finish) small bandsaw on the market at the present time. You can add all kinds of extras to a Delta, Jet Rikon Powermatic etc. (and I have done so) and they will not handle resawing greater than 12 inches as well as this saw with a proper blade. By the way,the reason I bought it is because I got tired of changing the 1 inch Trimaster on my bigger saw. The only negative I see so far is that the wonderful Laguna guides for this saw don’t accept the cool block adapters that you need if you are going to use a 1/8 inch blade for bandsawn dovetails as I am inclined to do when I don’t feel like using my Bad Axe or Lie-Nielsen hand saw. Laguna has indeed had a previous checkered customer service issue but they have been always been responsive to me. I think that they really want to improve in this area.
Based upon my prior experience, I strongly recommend it. Remember though, it is a 14 inch saw not a commercial 20+ inch behemoth!
Bob

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#24 posted 10-15-2013 03:58 AM

I agree with Bob’s comments. My experience with the 1412 has been outstanding. Within minutes after completing setup I was resawing a 13” plank of cherry and the saw performed extremely well, exceeding my expectations. Yesterday I had the pleasure of resawing a bunch of 11” wide 8/4 black walnut planks and it sliced right through them without any hesitation and no fussiness in the setup. The fit an finish are above and beyond what I would have expected in this price class. If you are interested I have documented my initial impressions here : http://www.wwgoa.com/laguna-1412-band-saw-a-cut-above/

-- PaulMayer, http://www.vernswoodgoods.com

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#25 posted 10-16-2013 01:21 PM

It’s great to hear the other positive reviews confirming my impression of the 1412. I haven’t had the opportunity yet to do to try the resawing that Paul described, but the saw is very accurate and has power to spare, so I see the potential.

Alaskaguy – After waiting 11 days and not hearing anything regarding my replacement table I called Laguna Monday. Someone was supposed to get back to me by end of day, but never did. I called back Tuesday and learned that the table is not expected to arrive at Laguna for about 1 month as it will come from overseas by ship .It would have been nice if they had set my expectations when they originally told me they’d replace it.

I also received a customer service email on the day I reported the issue which noted the following:

All issues associated with this case have been resolved, and the case has been closed. The details regarding this case
are listed below.
Company: Woodwerks OH
Case: xxxxx
Date Created: 10/3/2013 8:29 am
Date Closed: 10/3/2013 10:45 am
Case Status: Closed
Case Issue: Manufacture defect/Warranty

A little premature to close the case before shipping me the new table. I let them know when I called them back and they said they re-opened the case, although I never received a confirmation. Keeping my fingers crossed that this goes smoothly.

-- Les

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#26 posted 10-20-2013 09:03 PM

Got my Laguna 14/12 yesterday. I have the exact same problem with the table. Tried to call Laguna but they are closed on weekends apparently. I hope this gets fixed soon!!

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#27 posted 10-20-2013 09:56 PM

Mibrown, make sure you take photos and post them online if possible so that Laguna support can view them while you’re on the phone. That’s what I did, and as soon as they viewed them, they agreed the table needed to be replaced.

-- Les

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#28 posted 10-21-2013 02:43 AM

Thank you!! I will. See if i can e mail them.

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#29 posted 10-22-2013 01:53 AM

I called Laguna today. They called back as they said they would a few hrs later. I explained the problem and the guy told me to make sure to really tighten the table split clamp but even tight it left a 1/64 step. It was 1/32 with the clamp loose. He asked for pics so i sent a few. He said he had not heard anything about the problem but that did not mean that nobody else had heard about it. He also said if he had to he would send me a new table. Let me just say that other than this little problem this saw is a beast. If they make this right i can see being happy with this saw for a long long time.

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#30 posted 12-01-2013 01:42 AM

I purchased the Laguna 14/12 about one week ago from Woodcraft and finally had the chance to set it up tonight. Unfortunatley I ran into the same issue as Sakle2k with the table. At the table split there is approximately a 1/64” height difference from one side to the other. Material catches every time I make a run across it. Other than this issue the saw is great, it cuts smooth and fast and the adjustments are very simple. I will give an update as soon as Laguna/Woodcraft addresses and resolves the issue.

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#31 posted 12-01-2013 05:48 PM

I received my replacement table and put it on and im happy to say the new table is perfect!!! Im happy with the service form Laguna. I got calls and emails as promised!! As I said this thing cuts like a beast and I am pleased now!!

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#32 posted 12-04-2013 11:12 AM

Mibrown, glad to hear everything worked out.

I finally received my replacement table on 11/20 and it was worse than the first one. Called Laguna, showed them pics and was told very apologetically another would be sent out. I called on Monday to ask about a tracking number which I was told would be emailed to me, but I haven’t received one yet. I’ll call back today if I have time.

-- Les

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#33 posted 12-04-2013 03:30 PM

Les-

Laguna should have inspected the replacement table for defects before shipping it to you. Did your first package come from Laguna, or was it shipped directly from the factory? Perhaps they are taking the time to receive & inspect the table themselves this time…

-- Scott

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#34 posted 12-04-2013 03:58 PM

scrubplane

Thank You!

That’s the best descriiption anyone has said for the advantages of 220 vs 110

-- Randy in Crestview Florida, Wood Rocks!

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#35 posted 12-04-2013 04:58 PM

Woodcraft offered to give me the table off of their display model they had received at the same time my unit came in. I was happy with that solution but after further inspection by Woodcraft their table had the same issue so I had to deal directly with Laguna.

Laguna gave me instructions on have to fix the table. If you tilt the table all the way to 45 degrees you will see 6 bolts on the trunion plate. There are three Allen adjusting screws located in-between the three sets of bolts. You have to start off by loosening the farthest set of bolts and then adjust the Allen screw. If the far side of the table is higher you will have to start off by turning the Allen head counter-clockwise approximately 180 degrees then retighten the two bolts. And vice versa if the far side of the table split lower. Also loosen the table split clamp prior to making any adjustment. After this adjustment turn the table back to 0 degrees, retighten the table split clamp and check for flatness along the split. It will not be flat without the table split clamp fully tightened. If that didn’t correct it, loosen the set of 4 bolts closest to you and turn the two Allen heads about 90 degrees clockwise (if you need to raise the near side) retighten the bolts and go through the same process above. That’s the general idea on how to adjust the table. I had to go back and forth several times to get it flat as possible but it worked for me.

I hope that helps some of you. Let me know if you have any questions.

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#36 posted 12-04-2013 07:23 PM

HeavyHitter-

Are you implying that the tables ship flat from the factory, but the trunion distorts the table if not adjusted properly?

-- Scott

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#37 posted 12-04-2013 08:57 PM

I would assume that the majority of the units come from the factory with a properly adjusted flat table. For the few of us that have an issue with the table split this is the proposed method to correct it (from Laguna). This adjustment essentially puts a twist on the table and changes the elevation of either side at the split. For me, it was a better solution than sending the table back for a replacement, although still a bit inconvenient.

If I could go back I would still buy this saw. It looks great, it cuts great, and it’s stable. For the stability portion you just have to make sure the legs are level and don’t put too much tension on the blade.

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#38 posted 12-08-2013 11:22 PM

Scott – The table was shipped directly by Laguna. My new table (2nd replacement) is due to be delivered on Wednesday. I’ve gotta believe that if they didn’t inspect the last one, they’ve gone over this one with a fine tooth comb. I’ll know on Wednesday.

HeavyHitter- thanks for taking the time to explain the adjustments. Laguna sent me a picture of where all of the adjustments could be made, although there were no instructions – he just gave them to me verbally. I’ve attached it below.

Although this could help if the table is flat before it’s installed but then is “off” once mounted, both of mine were not flat when I sat them on my tablesaw. Laguna said that based on my pics, the adjustments wouldn’t have helped. Hopefully, won’t need to play with them with this new table.

-- Les

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#39 posted 12-17-2013 10:45 PM

3rd time’s a charm, the 2nd replacement table is FLAT :)

But, there’s still an issue… the blade should pass through the center of the blue aluminum table insert, but instead, it “hugs” the left side. Initially it was actually rubbing against the insert, but after removing the table I was able to loosen the bolts that secure the lower trundle assembly and had enough play to get a little less than a 3/32” gap between the blade and the left side of the insert. It’s fine until you tilt the table to 45 degrees and then the table hits the blade.

I sent pics to Laguna and they are going to send me a replacement lower trunion assembly, determining that the bolt holes on mine are not elongated enough to give me the left/right adjustment I need. By the way, Laguna has not asked for me to send back the 2 defective tables I have, or the lower trunion assembly they are replacing.

I have to say that despite all of the problems I had, I would buy a Laguna tool again without hesitation. Even the best cars in the world have product recalls, so it’s unrealistic to expect perfection, especially in a new model. The important thing is whether the company stands behind the product and supports it fully.

When I was deciding on which saw to buy, I did alot of research and was familiar with Laguna’s reputation for quality. But I had read more than a few complaints regarding customer service which concerned me. In my opinion, the support I received with this couldn’t have been better, and I wouldn’t have any concerns purchasing Laguna tools in the future.

-- Les

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#40 posted 12-17-2013 11:05 PM

Thanks for the detailed follow-up, Les. Good customer support makes this saw a winner.

-- Scott

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#41 posted 12-24-2013 02:16 AM

I just received the replacement lower trundle assembly today and it allowed me the left to right adjustment needed to center the blade in the insert.

Before:

After:

If anyone questions Laguna support, here’s the 2 tables and lower assembly they sent to make things right in addition to the good ones on the saw (the tables have started to rust from lying on the floor of my shed).

Would have been nice if the saw came from the factory perfect. But Laguna did what they needed to do to make it right.

-- Les

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#42 posted 12-24-2013 02:30 AM

keep those tables waxed or oiled at all times they will flash rush in just an hour

-- Staining killed the wood<<<<<>>>>>Dyeing gave it life

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#43 posted 01-20-2014 08:39 PM

I’m considering purchasing this saw, but keep getting cold feet on the customer service. Are you still glad you bought this saw after the month or so since the issues were resolved?

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#44 posted 01-21-2014 12:59 AM

Tengallonhat,

Yes, very glad I bought it.

Mind you, this is my first experience with a bandsaw – never owned or used one before. But I researched quite a bit before I decided on the Laguna…reviews, forum posts and “The Bandsaw Book” by Lonnie Bird. Alot of what I read described both good and poor quality bandsaws, and comparing my experience to what I’ve read, the Laguna is very good.

I was worried about the poor customer service that people had reported too, but I had a fantastic experience with them; I really couldn’t have asked for more. I bought the saw through Woodwerks and I called them when I noticed the table wasn’t flat. When they told me to call Laguna, I mentioned that I had heard the nightmare stories and was concerned. But they said they were confident it would be handled, and if I had any problems with CS to call them back. My guess is the poor CS experiences reported in the forums found it’s way back to upper management who have “corrected” the situation.

The other saw I had considered was the Rikon 14” and I’m sure I would have been happy with it. But I didn’t want to think about upgrading in the future. The quality/fit & finish of the saw and ceramic guides convinced me to take a chance.

Let us know what you decide.

-- Les

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#45 posted 02-02-2014 06:05 PM

I ordered one, it took a while to get, but I am the first person to own one in Western Canada. I have used it for a few weeks now. I have to say after reading some of the posts about the table not being flat and waiting a month I’d be pissed! I think I ordered this saw because the video looked pretty impressive, and I might of been sold on the mascara and lipstick. I also wanted something where I had NO issues for that price buy it and i’m good and won’t need to buy another period… At the same point in retrospect I have to think this is like the poor mans Porsche.

I have a few negative things to say about this machine unfortunately they are clouding all the good things that it has going for it. I think before I get into those I want to contact the company and see what they are willing to do about them and then I will post my detailed report.

One final comment the wwgoa and fine woodworking review are by no means a compete review, the wwgoa have a pretty positive bias from reading both neither have mentioned any of the obvious flaws with the machine and where they cut corners.
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#46 posted 02-10-2014 05:42 AM

Here are some photos of the bandsaw assembled, I will tell you a couple things first off. It is extremely well packaged, it is ridiculously heavy you NEED 2 able bodied people to load and unload, assemble and erect it. It was nice to see the steel casing being fairly heavy gauge and the rest of the carcass is also very solid. Little vibration, and it operates quite smooth, it’s not silent but not nearly as loud many other tools used in the work shop. Lets just say I can use it in my garage close to midnight and no one has complained.


These were the supplied bolts to hold the rail tube for the fence, it seemed rather odd that these were the spec considering that little bit of thread is supposed to hold everything together. To me this is weak if something banged into the bar or a large timber or log hit it could potentially break the casting? I didn’t trust it so I replaced it with some longer bolts I had on hand. When I asked the call rep he said that’s what the engineer specked, I replied that’s more likely the factory saving a nickel.

here is a close up of the blade which I bought that was NOT included with the purchase. It’s the 5/8” lauguna brand, I forget the specs. Now I had to buy another one asap as the store didn’t stock any 1/4” or 3/16” I should tell you no one any where to be seen had a 115” blade in stock. There was thankfully an awesome shop here in Vancouver that made me one up for under $25 Quality Saw and Knife. It also does NOT come with a miter gauge.

Can you spot the issue? (I messed up my photo re-sizing sorry) If you can’t make it out the square is touching in the top and 1/16” gap at the bottom.
The ceramic guides were not aligned in the aluminum block. They are glued in place. This presents a problem imo because with a smaller blade doing curves there is a discrepancy between left and right movement of the blade. Not to mention I was worried about ramming my teeth on the aluminum. I called with my concern, and the rep said to back them off and not use the upper guides with a small blade. I’m not sure I call that a solution… He further suggested I heat it up with a blow torch and re glue it. Well that just wasn’t going to happen. I bought this thing for versatility and I mentioned I want to do tight turns and cut some bandsawboxes. It was certainly not scroll work as he assumed… Okay so in conclusion they replied right away to internet chat, then had someone phone me right back. Points there forsure, but the ideal soloution would of been just to send me out a new set of guides, however that was not offered. So I used the saw as is for a while and thought about it more and more, sent an email and stated the problem of the guide and that I wanted a replacement sent out. 2 days later someone called me at 7 something in the morning and left a msg, obviously he didn’t check the time zone. I returned the call and sent information in and he said they would ship the replacements out and that was that. Bottom line if you have a problem or question someone has always gotten back to me, the rest you can interpret as you wish.

In my original call I also had this issue of not being able to square up the fence to the table. This why I dislike the round tube rail system, there are a lot of places and attachments where an error and occur. Even in the slightest amount can throw something out enough to mess everything up especially re sawing thin pieces. Especially with that short bolt that I showed earlier, I was a bit irritated. The rep said there should be some play and movement on the tube to the table to adjust. Absolutely not, unless you have put on together It’s hard to explain. The solution we came up with was to use a paper or tin foil shim under the fence drift adjustment bolts. So that was that and it’s square and It is what it is. I have mixed feelings on it but I’ve moved on and it hasn’t bothered me since. While on the subject of the fence, it slides on and off easily, and there is a good amount of adjustment for the drift, which at times there seems to be plenty. It’s hard to tell going by the blade tension indicator to me it seems a little conservative. I’m definitely not a pro in this department, I’ll need more time on the machine to give you a more info. But I can tell you with good true stock I was able to do some decent re-sawing on a 2×12 pine.

While on the subject of blade tension, someone mentioned about the window. Well here it is… plastic, static and sawdust.

Here is the blade centering bolt knob, pretty sure it doesn’t mention undoing the lock nut in the manual so make sure you do because that is NOT a hardened steel bolt there. To me if I was selling this thing I would of used a higher grade bolt here. While on the subject of the manual it is photocopy quality black and white and if your eyesight is not so hot… It was hard for me and I have new glasses. Okay I have to take a 5er and will post the rest shortly.

Onto the wheel base system, well let me put it this way IF I wasn’t an eager beaver, had the patience and ingenuity I might consider building my own 4 wheeled system. I’m not a big fan of the 3 wheels, it’s tipsy at times and I don’t know about your shop floor but mine sure as …. ain’t perfectly smooth or level. It certainly glides well in the video though. One can not do with out it if they need to move this thing around, and it DOES get the machine from a to b and I needed it. The time to put a base on is during assembly so plan accordingly. I dislike the cheap feeling plastic china wheels. There is some sort of bolt dead center in between the two wheel not sure what the purpose is. You maybe able to see it top left of the photo.

Onto the lighting

Well someone mentioned it may of been an after thought… well two years in the making ;)

Here is the mounting area, if you like working on foreign cars this should be right up your alley.
No seriously it’s fine just take your time, the real issue I have with the lighting is the following, now don’t get me wrong I have a ton of respect for engineers my father was one, but I see this all the time in the construction business, when a designer, architect or engineer doesn’t have practical use in the field.

anything above this height has good lighting

total dead spot for lighting shadow casts directly on the blade from here to next photo height.

I got to tell you it’s freaking annoying, I am going to try cutting a block of wood to use as a spacer and mess around with some different mounting points. Ideally it might of made more sense to put LED lighting inside the blade guard that was automated. It is nice to have a spot light though in the shop that I can illuminate other areas with. For me I’m mostly cutting small stuff and curves and messing around so it’s a bit frustrating. (after thought) That reminds me the fence can be laid flat which is a bonus if you are cutting small stock and want to have the blade guard lower, but I often forget to flip the fence anyways… lighting pros and cons. would I order it again yes, can improvements be made yes.

And final images show the tightness of the lower guides and I have average size hands. The guides have multiple china plastic knobs to allow set up, the idea is great but the whole assembly is so light that it’s easy to ajar it with a small movement while trying to lock any of the knobs. I would love to see micro adjustment or something a little tighter to work with, everything floats around so to speak. It’s hard to explain unless you try it yourself. It works and I can do it, but I don’t know if everybody could it takes some dexterity. At the same time once you set it up it’s good until you change the blade. So to recap there’s left and right ceramic guide adjustment knobs, the back ceramic guide knob and the front to back / left to right of the whole assembly knobs, if memory serves me correct. There was a concern with spark, yes it does spark and I cleared a lot of saw dust before I took the photos. It’s NOT the kind of spark like a grinder produces. I’m no an expert in this department but It’s not freaking me out by any means it’s a very tiny cold? looking spark.

So that covers a lot of peoples concerns and also the quirks that I’ve come across. There are some really good features about this saw that I have to mention. The cast wheels are nice, it is quiet with the ceramic guides vs bearings, the steel is heavy duty and low vibration. Decent height fence, lots of adjustment for drift. The height adjustment of the blade guard is super quick and safe, very accurate up and down no need to adjust the guides like my old cheap saw. Apparently I’m out of time for editing here so if there is anything more to add I will follow up. Up to this point I haven’t mastered the saw, but I am enjoying it so far that’s for sure, could I of gotten away with something $400 cheaper sure, but I would of always wondered, I hate that.

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#47 posted 02-10-2014 06:55 AM


Well someone mentioned it may of been an after thought… well two years in the making ;)
(This should of been under lighting but I accidentally double posted the same pic)

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#48 posted 02-11-2014 11:41 PM

Thanks for this thoughtful review Siggs, lots of things to think about here. I ordered this saw about two weeks ago and I’m waiting for it to arrive, so I haven’t had a chance to use it yet.

The only part of your review that makes me nervous is the ceramic guides. Do they really expect the user to torch the ceramic to remove and replace them?

Thankfully, everyone seems to get great cuts once the saw has been set up.

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#49 posted 02-12-2014 12:22 AM

I’m considering this saw and have a question. If I buy I’m tempted to get to wheels for it. However, I have a couple mobile bases now, one of which is on my current band saw that I will probably sell. It’s an HTC. Would I be better off using it or the Laguna wheels?

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#50 posted 02-12-2014 12:54 AM

Dedvw – no prob, in my particular case the one white piece of the guide was not glued flush into the aluminum housing like the others. The rep suggested if I wanted to fix it to heat it to melt the glue move and reglue it. Obviously this would totally mess up the blue paint… The replacements are not expensive and come in the aluminum housing, so nothing to worry about there. There is also almost no visible wear at all after a month.

Scomel Basses – I don’t know which base would be better your HTC or the laguna, do you feel the HTC is heavy duty enough?. If you have the chance to buy this from an actual retail store I would suggest you go and try moving it around first then decide, but do keep in mind they will probably have a smooth floor, and see what I mean by tipping it. You could always buy the base after trying your existing base on the new bandsaw first. The only good thing about the 3 wheel system is you can raise and lower it without bending over and just use your foot that’s a real bonus. Mind you a 4 wheel system could do the same thing with an attaching plate between the two. Rubber wheels would of been nice on this.

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