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recent spam additions to membership list.

by rtb
posted 08-12-2013 01:04 PM


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#1 posted 08-12-2013 01:24 PM

That’s a good question that has been asked, but not answered, in the past:
http://lumberjocks.com/topics/51801

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#2 posted 08-12-2013 09:25 PM

And they’ve started posting the same advertising CRAP under their “workshop” links too!

TAKE A HIKE ferchristssake!

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#3 posted 08-13-2013 08:31 PM

I know that this type of stuff has been going on for a long time on LJs. But the problem appears to be going to another level. For instance, the most recent such profile is currently the user named
“Purchase Eulexin Generic Without Prescription – Eulexin Buy Online, Order Eulexin Next Day Delivery”

That user ID is probably a hint that this is not someone looking to share his or her passion for woodworking. But what I believe is new behavior is that the link to the user’s home directory redirects to the Dark Side.

For example, my home directory is:
http://lumberjocks.com/ChuckV

The above mentioned user’s home directory is similar but with “eulexinp1a” in place of “ChuckV”. This looks normal. But, following that link goes to the Canadian Drug Store at:
http:\\bestcatabs.com\men%27s-health\eulexin.html
(I flipped the slashes around so this won’t be a valid link.)

I don’t spend much time looking at these bogus profiles, so maybe I am mistaken and this has been happening all along. But it sure seems like such redirection is not healthy for LJs.

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#4 posted 08-13-2013 08:31 PM

Here’s why nothing is done:

Great looking stats

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#5 posted 08-13-2013 08:34 PM

just keep flagging and blocking. I’ve flagged and blocked several in the last couple of weeks. At least if they are blocked they can’t hammer my post.

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#6 posted 08-13-2013 08:37 PM

Man, I need to go welcome them all and drive up my post totals…

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#7 posted 08-13-2013 08:39 PM

make sure you PM them your email address to Smitty.

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#8 posted 08-13-2013 08:47 PM

I do not know how a profile can be flagged. But, as I describe above, my experience with the recent spam profiles is that I cannot even view them because I am redirected to the Canadian Drug Store!

... nothing against Canada intended.

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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#9 posted 08-13-2013 08:50 PM

Lew, that is what I suspect too. And I find it sad. I know LJ is free for us and that the ads pay the bills, and the ad revenue is based on traffic. That’s just business on the internet. But it just doesn’t feel right when you know those numbers are so inflated because of obvious spam accounts. Some poor schmuck trying to make a living with a web-store is getting stiffed on his advertising budget. Not all those ads are for Amazon or Rockler. Some are for small sites who probably blow through their monthly quota by the 2nd of the month. If we know it as users, the forum owners have to know it, and google/bing/aol/etc probably know it too with their tracking and analytics.
There are so many security add-ons that would turn the flood of spammers into a trickle, or stop them outright – ranging from captcha’s and IP-banning up to moderator-approval of new accounts.

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#10 posted 08-13-2013 08:57 PM

Don, that’s crazy talk right there…

It’s a serious problem, don’t mean to make (too much) lite of it, but it’s not being addressed and there’s nothing I feel I can do about it…

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#11 posted 08-13-2013 09:02 PM

IP Banning would do the trick.

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#12 posted 08-13-2013 09:12 PM

Captcha was added a couple months ago to try and slow down the spam account creation. Obviously more is needed.

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#13 posted 08-13-2013 09:15 PM

Received the following email notification tonight.

Clicked the link to go to my profile to see the comment and got this from McAfee

I now can’t view my own profile on LJs. The spammer goes by the name (on this occasion) of asiruuslp. It seems that McAfee won’t allow me to go to any of the fake posts to flag them, but I was able to go to his profile and block him from doing any further damage.

I strongly suggest anyone reading this does the same before he infects your profile or posts like he has mine.

Hopefully LJs can stop them before they do any more damage. They’ve already infected about 372 profiles/posts.

BLOCK THEM NOW.

-- Andy - Old Chinese proverb says: "If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it."

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#14 posted 08-13-2013 09:25 PM

Blocked ‘em, thanks Andy. Hope the gods fix your stuff.

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#15 posted 08-13-2013 09:38 PM

Over the past hour, there have been 30 such new profiles. Blocking is futile!

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#16 posted 08-13-2013 09:39 PM

Yeah if they keep on at their present rate of 372 profiles/posts infected in the last 8 hours, then in 156 days time there won’t be any projects, blogs, reviews, or furm topics left on LJs that can be viewed safely.

Sobering thought isn’t it?

I’ll be on WoodNet until normal service resumes here.

-- Andy - Old Chinese proverb says: "If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it."

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#17 posted 08-13-2013 09:44 PM

In that case Chuck, they should take the site down now. If there are 30 such profiles and they are all as active as the 1 that infected my profile, that 156 days has just been reduced to 5 days.

-- Andy - Old Chinese proverb says: "If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it."

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#18 posted 08-13-2013 09:53 PM

Does anyone have a suggestion for where I might purchase cheap generic prescription drugs for which I have no prescription? :)

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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#19 posted 08-13-2013 10:03 PM

Errrrrrrrm – Let me think about that one for minute. I might know a guy or thirty.

-- Andy - Old Chinese proverb says: "If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it."

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#20 posted 08-13-2013 10:17 PM

i just opened my mail and Bang..canadian drug store site took over..i am not computer smart so i do not know how to handle this.

-- bill

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#21 posted 08-13-2013 10:21 PM

Wow, I didn’t realise what a major attack this is. If you go to the Jocks tab and select ‘Most Recent’, there are loads of fake members. I went back about 56 days before I got bored. That’s 1960 fake members right there and there are far more than 1960. Chuck is right, blocking is futile.

They really should take the site down. It would also be good to hear from LJs that they are doing something about it.

-- Andy - Old Chinese proverb says: "If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it."

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#22 posted 08-13-2013 10:23 PM

Andy, tried to sign up on woodnet, can’t get passed the initial security. frustrating as all hell!

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#23 posted 08-13-2013 10:26 PM

last month we implemented the recaptcha to eliminate the “bots”.

If a member (any member) starts making inappropriate postings then we address the issue and lock them out if appropriate.

interesting re: the redirect. I’ll make sure Martin sees this tricky spammer… grr

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#24 posted 08-13-2013 10:33 PM

I think Spammers and Hackers should be stoned in the town square.

But really how many people buy this stuff over the net.?

99% chance it is a fake medication,

Also why do they think every man thinks about a longer, harder appendage. If they advertised Madagascar Eboney at $0.50 cents a board foot delivered to anywhere in North America. Well I might laugh, but would never bite.

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#25 posted 08-13-2013 11:43 PM

Debbie – Thanks for commenting, but I fear implementing reCaptcha will not stop this kind of attack. There are bots around these days that have image-captcha algorithms that are now good enough that some of the Captchas will be solved some of the time. It will stop some, but not all. Captchas are a valid line of defense, but are not enough on their own. If you increase the ‘noise’ on a Captcha too much, genuine humans wanting to sign up will not be able to solve it. Also, some spammers are using ‘human solvers’ now. Take a look at what Wikipedia says about this under the heading Cheap or Unwitting Human Labor

Hope Martin can find a way to stop it or at least reduce it significantly.

-- Andy - Old Chinese proverb says: "If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it."

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#26 posted 08-14-2013 04:19 AM

I posted a topic on this a few months back: http://lumberjocks.com/topics/48866
at that time we had 36000 members (more than half) of the total LJ community that had never made a single post; I suspect that at least half of those were spam members. This means that roughly 25% of total LJ membership is spam accounts…

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#27 posted 08-14-2013 05:00 AM

It was so nice when there were only 400 members. :)

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#28 posted 08-14-2013 08:31 AM

One of my business emails gets over 1200 spams per day and I’ve done everything I can do to thin it down. I’ve had 2 google accounts and my web hosting account compromised and I have no idea how. It’s making me paranoid as hell and I was paranoid to begin with.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#29 posted 08-14-2013 09:52 AM

doing our best to stay ahead of the spammers

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#30 posted 08-14-2013 12:26 PM

doing our best to stay ahead of the spammers

With respect, really?
This topic has been raised, and raised, and raised again and again.
I myself raised it here – over a year ago – no-one from management saw fit to comment.
The “viagra” count (as found by google) is now 1270.

But ”doing our best” hasn’t done anything.
It’s pretty easy to find the vast majority of these people (as I showed in my post) – it’s so very hard to delete them?

This guy was posting tracking pictures over a year ago.
Management reply to my request he be removed?
Nothing.
Has the guy been removed?
No.
11 times he posted after that, with his tracking pictures.

Take a look at this project.
A rather nice piece.
Let’s look at the comments…
kristia – spam, twice in fact – user still here.
fgfshfdh – spam – user still here.
jorg – spam – user still here.
KarenG – spam – user still here.
hershey11 – spam – user still here, despite every one of “his” 4 comments being spam.

... and 3 others – all of whom are still here.

The latest emag has the (I presume proud) line…
69,272 woodworkers
Always makes me laugh.

Doing our best?
Really?

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#31 posted 08-14-2013 03:16 PM

Spammers are a tough issue. I ran boards for several years. The bigger they get, the more spammers they attract. AND… the spammers actually look for sites that have OTHER spammers because they know that’s a target they can get into.

And there’s a very fine line between blocking the highest percentage of spammers and also making your message boards so hard to use that people don’t bother and go elsewhere.

Think about this….. what would be a keyword used to find this site? I’ll give you a hint….. wood

What kind of spammers show up here most often? What are they pushing? See what I mean?

And another issue is the members themselves who don’t know they’ve been infected with malware and a spammer gets a free ride into the site.

This is a lot tougher than you might think. Hell, I’ve blocked whole countries but on an international site, that’s not a great thing to do.

Besides Captcha, the admins might look at Akismet and Honey Pot. Meanwhile there needs to be an active effort to delete the spammer profiles and that can be a big job, eating up a lot of time. Has to be done though.

I’m volunteering my assistance if requested.

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#32 posted 08-14-2013 03:35 PM

Anyone who hasn’t clicked on the “Jocks” tab, sorted by most recent, should go do that.

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#33 posted 08-14-2013 05:26 PM

this is why there is a manual acceptance process for a lot of these types of forums.

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#34 posted 08-14-2013 05:42 PM

I participat on another forum where the owner has had three of his sites taken down by spammers.

He now requires you to write him an e-mail and tell him about yourself and what your related hobby interests are.

The human mind has a pretty darn good BS filter built into it…. and his new boards have not been hacked.

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#35 posted 08-14-2013 09:03 PM

hmmm
not sure why they are still there.

sometimes postings, although are probably spam also do have woodworking content
some of the spam comments (as the one indicated above from 1526 days ago) are from days before our flagging system.
but you don’t want excuse, reasons, or explanations … you want “no spam”. Not sure if we can guarantee that but we’re working on it

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#36 posted 08-14-2013 09:10 PM

Is there not a way that Admin can discontinue accounts after a certain amount of time of inactivity? Even if someone did honestly create an account but forgot about it and didnt use it, no one will ever be able to use that login name because it is taken by someone who doesnt even use the site.

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#37 posted 08-14-2013 10:38 PM

Over 500 members selling Xenical, over 500 members with ‘free’ Xbox live subscriptions.

To my dismay, only 3% of the first 4 pages of ‘most recent jocks’ appear to be genuine.

That 3% must be wondering what they’ve signed up to.

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#38 posted 08-14-2013 10:52 PM

I would think for the time being stopping automatic new membership and manually approving new members is the way to go. It seems it would at least stop the problem until a automated solution is found. To me letting it continue until a solution is found is like adding fuel to the fire. If it were me I would want to protect the valuable members that make money for this site. If this continues I’m sure active members will drop off, and its all about the traffic. The last thing anyone wants to deal with on the net is spam of any kind. Spammers are a bright bunch, they will never stop as long as they are making money at it, all we can do is try to manage it.

Hopefully this issue is being taken serious as it is, it seems management (upper) likes to “let it ride” with some issues. I typically only see one active moderator (I’m not on here a ton – correct me if I’m wrong). That is simply amazing for a site this size. Its just too bad that we, as the members (the ones that make this site $$) are the ones that loose. I wish them the best of luck, they may need it.

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#39 posted 08-15-2013 12:04 PM

I’m not a computer expert, but I cant understand why the spammers cant be blocked from signing up. I am on other web sites just a large and maybe larger than this one and we don’t have any spammers signing in as new members. What are they doing? I agree with rrww that for now maybe each new member sign up should be approved by someone. If you eliminate all the spam, there aren’t really that many to approve. I think at least 80% of new sign ups now are spam or bots. I would be concerned as a site manager that people that are new will see all the spam in the new sign-ups and drop off thinking the site is out of control and full of viruses. It doesn’t do any good to delete or remove them after they are signed up….they have to be blocked from signing up. I cant imagine that a system to block the spam can be that difficult to implement. Check with other sites and see what they are doing.

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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#40 posted 08-15-2013 12:16 PM

I think that it is time to deny all new accounts until this can be fixed. I just took a look and there have been 677 new “members” in the past 24 hours. If 600 of these are spam (and the number is almost certainly higher), that is 25 per hour.

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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#41 posted 08-15-2013 12:36 PM

I’m not computer savvy, but one would think that allowing that many spam memberships, will eventually overload the site.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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#42 posted 08-15-2013 03:01 PM

Holy cow, ChuckV is right. This issue is worse than I thought :-/ Spammers selling Z**max are creating accounts every single minute. This really needs to get stopped ASAP.

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#43 posted 08-15-2013 03:33 PM

google has indexed all those spam accounts – look for lumberjocks zithromax and you’ll find a 106,000 results. When the algorithm wakes up and says “hey, these are spam links” it’s going to knock LJ to page 45,000,000,0000 of the search engines. But when it finds those profiles/threads/posts that redirect to a spam site outside of LJ it’s going to put a big sign on all the LJ search results that says WARNING THIS SITE MAY HARM YOUR COMPUTER. And that will slow legitimate traffic down to a trickle.

Assuming the mods have created a google webmaster account, they need to go in and ask google to de-index all those links and then they should think about putting in a no-follow / no-index code in the spiders.txt for the profiles folder.

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#44 posted 08-15-2013 04:02 PM

It sounds like there needs to be more moderators with admin permissions who can approve/reject new accounts, and put sort of a probationary period on new account postings (Maybe Debbie can give a few of the top posters who always keep an eye on these types of things the ability to delete new accounts that aren’t genuine). Its strange, because when I first signed up for LJ’s about 6 months ago, I posted a project and it took almost 24 hours before it was approved. A1Jim and a couple others commented on my profile saying welcome, and I asked how long it takes to get your first post approved, and it wasn’t until the next morning that it was there. Seems like it wouldn’t be too hard, all you would have to do is add a couple rules or lines of code to new accounts.

This site has been up since 2005, and without someone who is very proficient in internet security and web design its going to happen sooner or later, you just can’t keep up with all of the scumbags in the world who are on a mission to ruin it for the good people.

What really frustrates me is the people that write the code and algorithms that create these spam accounts (same with those who create viruses)—if those people actually put their knowledge towards something honorable they would be able to make a decent living out of it.

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#45 posted 08-15-2013 04:30 PM

Not sure if we can guarantee that but we’re working on it

You need to work harder!

Either…
  1. Someone has found a way to create user accounts without going through the captcha/activation code cycle. I doubt this, since I think we’d be seeing 1000s of account creations per second (if it were me orchestrating this attack then that’s what I’d do). But, if this is the case, you need to take the site down now. Pull the network cable out of the wall. Flick the master power switch. Perhaps there’s a “Quit” command in a menu somewhere?
  2. Someone has written some form of botware/robot/gizmo/script/whatever that automates the process of going through the captcha/activation code cycle.
    Take the sign-up process stuff out (why it’s still there is a mystery). Stop sending activation codes.

I think that, within the 3 days this thread has been running, someone could have found the quit command.

Or…
have we forgotten the password to access the server?

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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#46 posted 08-15-2013 04:38 PM

I’ll chime in here as a relative newbie on this site. I understand the complaints, and think that something needs to be done here as well. If being on this site will endanger my personal details, it will be a shame but I will go. I will be especially saddened since this site has quickly become my most visited site, and my favorite on the internet. What I like about LJs is how simple it is to see projects, forums, blogs, etc. I have poked around on Woodnet, and maybe I just need to get used to it, but it seems not as well-designed as this site.

That being said, when I signed up for LJs, the first thing I did was NOT click on the list of new members, and notice all the spam accounts. I was at the homepage, which seems to be relatively free of spam accounts. Most of these “members” do not contribute to the forums, post projects, or blogs (obviously). When I connect to Lumberjocks, the spammers are basically invisible to me, unless I go looking for them. That’s not to say that they are not harmful, or will be one day. It’s still a problem that needs addressing, but the site to me is full of so many wonderful and talented people, it would be a shame to see it go away. To those moderators who are trying, we do appreciate your efforts.

-- Bailey F - Eastern Mass.

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#47 posted 08-15-2013 04:45 PM

MrFid – Most of the spam new members are just noise, but every now and again they will hijack and divert forum posts, blog posts, profile pages etc to redirect them to a potentially harmful site. This is what happened to me a couple of days ago. If I or anyone else tried to access my profile page (e.g. to add me as a buddy) it redirected them to an external site. In my case, McAfee blocked it and protected my computer from harm. Others, have not been that lucky. Thankfully, this has now been fixed, at least it was last time I tried. :o)

-- Andy - Old Chinese proverb says: "If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it."

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KnickKnack

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#48 posted 08-15-2013 04:46 PM

When I connect to Lumberjocks, the spammers are basically invisible to me, unless I go looking for them

Alas, that isn’t quite true. See this thread, and this one

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#49 posted 08-15-2013 04:55 PM

True, and I think it’s things like that that are part of the problem, but do you not think that the vast majority of the zithromax traffic is merely signups? Maybe it’s only me, but when I connect, most of what I see are woodworking projects and forums, most of which are made by legit members. Again, I am not saying we don’t have a problem, but only that for me, when I connect, I mostly only see high quality content. Of course, as soon as my homepage is hacked, I’ll feel differently and eat my words.

-- Bailey F - Eastern Mass.

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#50 posted 08-15-2013 06:16 PM

MrFid – I too see a lot of high quality content, that’s what this site is all about. I would like to keep it that way. Subjecting users to spam, in any form, will lower the number of users, in turn the quality of content will be affected.

JustJoe hit the nail on the head with his comments on the Google indexing & spam associations. This is a huge, huge deal for everyone at this site. De-indexing that number of links would be a huge job for someone. Another good reason to stop automatic approval for new memberships, until a solution is found.

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