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How Many other WWs Don't Own a Powered Jointer?

by J. Crate Larkin
posted 06-03-2013 11:39 PM


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bondogaposis

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#1 posted 06-03-2013 11:46 PM

I don’t have one either, not enough room in my shop for it.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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Mark Smith

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#2 posted 06-03-2013 11:48 PM

I have one. I don’t have the talent or the eye to do to it manually like you do.

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CharlieM1958

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#3 posted 06-03-2013 11:51 PM

I don’t have one, but I’m no hand plane master either.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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nwbusa

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#4 posted 06-03-2013 11:55 PM

I have one, but before I did I used hand planes. Still do when the mood strikes me.

-- John, BC, Canada

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eatsawdust

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#5 posted 06-03-2013 11:55 PM

I used to have one, before my divorce… Now I’m too broke and my lawyer is on some expensive vacation.

-- Why does everything I enjoy doing have to be bad for the environment, I work in the oil industry and enjoy working with exotic woods from rain forests

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Don W

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#6 posted 06-03-2013 11:56 PM

I have one, but it gets turned on about twice a year. I usually grab the #608.

-- http://timetestedtools.net - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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TravisH

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#7 posted 06-03-2013 11:56 PM

I have both and use one or the other depending on my mood.

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Holbs

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#8 posted 06-04-2013 12:10 AM

I have a smaller 6”Rockwell power jointer that is perfect for a 2car garage hobby wood worker. I would of went the hand plane pathway, but my only experience with a plane and it’s workings / technique is from watching The Woodright’s Shop. I would of seriously insulted the hand tool community if allowed to ravage and destroy hard wood / exotic wood in my first couple years of diving into wood working. Not to mention sharpening the irons, storage, etc.

For now, the power planer and jointer will hold me over until I become more comfortable with hand tools (which is the path I do want to pursue). I have since purchased various hand planes (shoulder plane to #7 Stanley) in which I learned alot about rust and electrolysis over the weekend too.

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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BentheViking

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#9 posted 06-04-2013 12:17 AM

I don’t have one yet, but only because I haven’t purchased one yet.

-- It's made of wood. Real sturdy.--Chubbs Peterson

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DHS

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#10 posted 06-04-2013 12:48 AM

I sold mine about a year ago. I had begun using hand planes about six months earlier and started edge-jointing boards by hand for practice. But, after a while I realiized that, without even thinking about it, I had stopped using my jointer altogether. I just naturally reached for my number 7 whenever it was time to joint. I gained some more room in my shop when I sold my electrically-powered jointer and I now joint without noise or dust. I like it.

-- Dave S., Bellingham, WA

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Brandon

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#11 posted 06-04-2013 12:49 AM

I have a vintage 6” Powermatic jointer that I use on occasion, but like others here, I usually pick up a jointer plane first (partly, though, because my shop is so cramped and I have to move stuff to use the powered jointer).

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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pintodeluxe

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#12 posted 06-04-2013 12:52 AM

Boy, if you buy rough lumber they are pretty hard to do without. Even my S4S stock gets a freshly jointed edge before ripping at the tablesaw. It is safer for me that way.

I do love the feeling of trimming a drawer to size with a hand plane though.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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Holbs

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#13 posted 06-04-2013 12:53 AM

oh.. and another ” I cant hand plane just yet ” excuse: I have only a Black & Decker Workmate and a smaller light weight wood working table made for classrooms. Not a Roubo or robust work bench to hold my pieces down.

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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OnlyJustME

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#14 posted 06-04-2013 01:14 AM

@Holbs cant use the Workmate as an excuse. that’s all Mosquito had and he used all kinds of hand planes.

I have an old little 4” Homecraft jointer but it needs restoration and is not operational. I’ve never used it yet. My last major project used about 100 bdft of mahogany and it was all jointed with hand planes. Double 4 panel doors so lots of glue ups and edge jointing.

-- In the end, when your life flashes before your eyes, will you like what you see?

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Holbs

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#15 posted 06-04-2013 01:28 AM

i best go watch some videos on workmate usage. When I have done some standard sawing on stock 2×4’s, the workmate and the classroom wood working table rocked badly all the time. It could of been the saws or my technique (again, I have no clue about hand tool technique).

I have 75% of the time purposely bought used low-priced power tools off craigslist or auctions, knowing one day I’ll be doing hand tools for majority of my projects. The only power tool left on my wish list is a lathe.

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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REO

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#16 posted 06-04-2013 06:20 AM

Dad had a jointer befor he retired, a leftover from long ago. He went to glue line rips on an extended fence and I guess I picked that up. The jointer was the first tool to go. I dont use hand planes either though.

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Tugboater78

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#17 posted 06-04-2013 10:14 AM

Never have had one.. using my #8

-- "....put that handsaw to work and make it earn its keep. - summerfi" <==< JuStiN >==>=->

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agallant

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#18 posted 06-04-2013 04:42 PM

I use a level and my table saw.

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JayT

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#19 posted 06-04-2013 05:12 PM

My jointers are hand powered, like many others here.

Get one edge straight, rip slightly oversize on the table saw and then joint off the saw marks down to size. There just isn’t room in my tiny shop for another machine at this point. Now if/when I have a larger shop, we can re-visit the issue, but as easy as jointing is with hand planes and some practice, I probably won’t want to spend the money.

-- https://www.jtplaneworks.com - In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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sixstring

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#20 posted 06-04-2013 05:19 PM

Just a newbie here but I use my Grizzly jointer and Dewalt planer on every project. I use a lot of reclaimed materials which need straightening out and my handplaner skills are non existant. Something I would like to remedy eventually.

-- JC Garcia, Concord, CA : "It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission..."

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Mosquito

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#21 posted 06-04-2013 05:20 PM

I do not own a power jointer. Most of my “shop time” is in my apartments spare bedroom, where it’s all hand tools for me (except the occasional cordless drill). The few basic power tools I have (router, circular saw, jigsaw, and ROS) only get used when I head to my parents’ house to use ‘em in their garage or on their back patio.

@Holbs, what OJM said ;-) Is the workmate ideal for handplanes? Absolutely not, as you say, she tends to get a rockin’ from time to time… I’ve got a couple of videos on my YouTube channel where I’m working on projects using my workmate (link in my signature below). The way I typically used it was to put one foot on one of the bottom braces of the workmate, and hook a leg on something. Either the one of the jaw screw handles, or over the frame that was exposed when the jaws were closed. Then I just get in a rhythm and have at it.

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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WhoMe

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#22 posted 06-04-2013 05:39 PM

I don’t… I don’t…

Oh wait, I guess that I am not supposed to be excited about that….

I have a Stanley #6 and #8 to use..

Someday I hope to have a powered one.

-- I'm not clumsy.. It's just the floor hates me, the tables and chairs are bullies, the wall gets in the way AAANNNDDD table saws BITE my fingers!!!.. - Mike -

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#23 posted 06-04-2013 05:49 PM

I do not have one but sometimes I wish I had one, but lack of room and $$ makes me practice my hand plane skills. I only have a Groz #6 a Stanley #4 and a block plane, all well tuned. (I know you can have a laugh, but it’s the best I could afford). It’s really fun to work in a quiet environment and I find you are more in touch with the wood.
Again I never had the privilege to use an electric one.

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JohnChung

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#24 posted 06-04-2013 06:02 PM

I don’t own almost all the power tools…... Just the power drill and router. It is real nice to have the machines but dust and noise is a real headache for me.

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Bill White

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#25 posted 06-04-2013 06:07 PM

None here. Glue line rip blade, and #7 when needed.
Bill

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mbs

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#26 posted 06-05-2013 01:51 AM

I have one and I enjoy using it. I use planes on occasion too.

-- Sorry the reply is so long. I didn't have time to write a short reply.

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sgmdwk

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#27 posted 06-05-2013 03:37 AM

Don’t have one. I’ve always made do with my old Craftsman 113 table saw and a router.

-- Dave K.

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OnlyJustME

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#28 posted 06-05-2013 05:32 AM

Whome, Just attach a lamp cord to the #6 or #8 and plug it in. You’ll have a powered jointer.

lepelerin, nothing to laugh at there. A well tuned plane is a well tuned plane no matter what the name. It’s not the tools that make the woodworker but how he uses the tools he has.

-- In the end, when your life flashes before your eyes, will you like what you see?

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unbob

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#29 posted 06-05-2013 06:31 AM

I started with hand tools only.
Really had to move into the jointers and planers to break down large pieces of wood I buy direct from mills.
Just much more economical to go that way.
Still use the hand planes for the finish touch.

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#30 posted 06-05-2013 11:49 AM

I don’t, I use a #7 as well.

Most of the time I am content, but there are times, like Pinto point out, where I wish I had one for some of the rough stuff.

I manage to do without, but honestly would like one someday. It is not at the top of my list however.

-- Steve

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HorizontalMike

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#31 posted 06-05-2013 12:32 PM

Wow, I am impressed with the candid answers in this thread, about the long term need to eventually move to powered jointers/planers.

Having powered jointers/planers does NOT completely replace the need for hand planes, though it probably accounts for 90-95% of the need. And as @Pintodeluxe said: ”...I do love the feeling of trimming a drawer to size with a hand plane though….” I had to do that exact same thing on one of my Shaker Chest drawers, since sending an assembled drawer through a jointer/planer is not possible/practical.

There is a need for both power AND hand planes in WW-ing. So don’t fall for the occasional refrain from a few, that sounds much like an old Mick Jagger song… ;-)

”... When I’m watchin’ my T.V.
And that man comes on to tell me
How white my shirts can be
But he can’t be a man ‘cause he doesn’t smoke
[use]
The same cigarrettes [hand planes] as me
I can’t get no, oh no, no, no
Hey hey hey, that’s what I say
I can’t get no satisfaction…”

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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blackcherry

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#32 posted 06-05-2013 12:54 PM

I never own one til last year and bought a bench top unit, just don’t have the room for a floor model. plenty of hand tools and a good rip blade works for me.

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USMC_Buckaroo

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#33 posted 06-05-2013 02:16 PM

”...There is a need for both power AND hand planes in WW-ing…”

Couldn’t have said it more simply or clearly myself HorizontalMike.

Counting myself amoungst the fortunate few who originally trained over 35 years ago with a master craftsman who came to this country from Italy and who generously shared just a portion of his vast knowledge with me at a time in my life where I was just getting started with my life after a short stint as ‘government property’ I was taught that there was “a reason for every tool in the box”

This very same, wonderful gentleman from Italy who’s very first lesson to me that rainy east coast day was pointing out all 17 ingredients that make up a simple, normal claw hammer,

And NO….these aren’t them.

also pointed out that even though he already possessed an impressive array of ‘old world’ hand tools that, if power tools had existed when he was a boy, HE would have used power tools when and if the ‘reason’ for it’s use made itself clear, such as excessive stock removal, project expediency, or even project specific simplicity.

I am retired now, after 35+ years in the design/construction field as an architect and builder and can FINALLY indulge myself, and my creative side with personal projects I have been jonesin’ to build for many years….do I possess the talent to perform all phases of the project by hand? Yes. Do I possess all the necessary (and vintage) hand tools required to do said tasks? Again, Yes. Will I choose to use hand tools exclusively because the previous two ingredients are met? NO.

This debate about hand v. power is IMHO an exercise in splitting hairs on a bald man. Simply put, use the tool that fits the reason.....but, whadda I know! ; – )

Apologies for the long-winded rant but one of the advantages/disadvantages of retirement is; my time is now my own and hence, my typing fingers were exercising their ‘rambling’ muscles.

Warm regards,

Buck.

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unbob

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#34 posted 06-05-2013 02:33 PM

That is a great post Buck.
Myself, working as a machinist, started out in the machine shop, first with hand tools “files, scrapers, chisels”.
The reason in the “old days” first mastering the simple hand tools, provided a solid base to work from when going on to using the machines. I think its the same with woodworking.

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lumbermeister

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#35 posted 06-05-2013 02:52 PM

Small shop + the though to lugging another 200 lb. + object down the stairs is too much of a turn-off. I use a crude planer sled, followed by an equally crude table saw sled to joint faces and edges. But the end result is sufficiently refined for my needs.

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hoosier0311

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#36 posted 06-05-2013 03:36 PM

I have been using a router with a fence set, but it can be tough. Have a ridge carbide blade that cuts very nice lines. Just got a ryobi hand held model, but haven’t tried to joint with it yet. I definetley want a floor model, but just havent done it yet, going to try and pick one up this winter. lots of nice used ones out there.

-- atta boy Clarence!

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bandit571

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#37 posted 06-05-2013 04:01 PM

I had this one, for awhile.

But it got to the point it was longer than the projects I was working on. Now have a #DE6c to use.

And sometimes it is even too long…

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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redSLED

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#38 posted 06-05-2013 09:15 PM

Don’t have one but would like one. Space is a concern. Will be self-imposing more hand plane discipline first.

-- Perfection is the difference between too much and not enough.

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madts

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#39 posted 06-05-2013 10:35 PM

I use the table saw with some kind of guide. Then the plane #6 is the biggest i have.

-- Thor and Odin are still the greatest of Gods.

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#40 posted 06-05-2013 10:39 PM

I agree with the above. I love my planes, and love that I am getting more competent with them. I’m not a production shop, just a hobbyist, so I don’t have to crank out projects.

As a family man with a normal 9-5, there are times when I wish I could just fire up the jointer and make a few passes to get my stock squared up.

Someday. But there are other must have’s first :)

-- Steve

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Tony_S

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#41 posted 06-05-2013 11:12 PM

A block plane is about as ‘old school’ as I get even though I own a few others. They’re more memento’s than anything, belonging to an uncle who inspired me when I was (much)younger.

Other than the block planes (3?)....I have no want, need or desire to use the others.

More power to you though!

-- “Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.” – Plato

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#42 posted 06-05-2013 11:22 PM

I have this debate with myself, but the problem is that a small jointer is easy to live with out, and I had one but used it seldom and it died long ago. I make doors and furniture from rough cut air dried lumber from my woods, no jointer. the wood that is really cupped or twisted goes to woodstove, somehow i manage in a too small shop.

What I want would be a 12in wide jointer, but no room in shop. I have a huge collection of handplanes, even used some in colonial costume, but use them sparingly now. A hand power planer and a table saw and planer can do a lot. I also think lumber mills cut the lumber wrong. I have a guy witha wood mizer and he cuts more quarter sawn lumber that dries flatter. Anything you fight to flatten, will likely be the door panel that warps again later on and it might be better fitting in the woodstove or ripped to some other use.

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jeffswildwood

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#43 posted 06-05-2013 11:34 PM

I don’t have one, wish I did though. I just don’t have the room or the money for one. In turn I go through a LOT of sandpaper.

-- We all make mistakes, the trick is to fix it in a way that says "I meant to do that".

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