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Stanley #45 - 7 forms of fun in 1! - And other combination/moulding planes

by Mosquito
posted 11-15-2012 03:58 PM


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#1 posted 11-15-2012 04:05 PM

I guess I’ll just start things out with a picture drop :-)

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#2 posted 11-15-2012 04:06 PM

Mos, this could prove to be a great thread, rivaling Handplanes, mallets or chiselers!

My question is on dating and identification of the different #45’s. Can you or someone go into detail about how to go about this?

I ordered a book on planes, not sure which one, but there isn’t enough information on the #45. I actually bought the book to help identify other Stanleys I look at.

The #45 seems to get short shrift in a lot of the Stanley nomenclature.

Thanks!

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#3 posted 11-15-2012 04:08 PM

And here’s my small collection, all probably mid-20th century.

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#4 posted 11-15-2012 04:15 PM

Mos:
Not sure if this is one of your links above: http://www.tooltrip.com/tooltrip9/stanley/comb-planes/45types/45types.htm

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#5 posted 11-15-2012 04:16 PM

Thanks Dallas, I really like my #45, and was frustrated by the lack of good references online on how to use it (more than just words on the screen) so I figured, why don’t I just do something about it…

The forum topic idea was Poopiekat’s. I just had the blog going at first.

For dating a #45, I have found it to be more difficult than with bench planes. I like this type study by Stan Faullin, to get a general ball park for most of the types. After that, it gets a little more tricky, because it’s a lot of trade mark differences from there on out. The difficult thing with that, is that they don’t all seem to match those of the bench planes so it’s a little more difficult.

I have ordered a #45 specific book, so we’ll see what I can learn from that.

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Edit, yup poopiekat, that’s the one by Stan Faullin that I’ve got listed. That one is probably my favorite of the two I’ve found so far.

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#6 posted 11-15-2012 05:08 PM

I went to the type studies you listed and narrowed my #45 down to either a 9-11 or a 13-15. The problem is, there are some anomalies that don’t follow through.
I have the screw adjustable fence of the 12- up, and the SW logo of the 13-15, but the main casting under the tote looks more like the 9-11 as do the thumb screws.
It may be a frankenplane made up of a number of different models, although the fellow that owned it was in his 80’s when he died and this one has obviously been used for many decades.

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#7 posted 11-15-2012 05:21 PM

It’s entirely possible that some parts are different. For example, my fence was broken and welded back together, perhaps something similar happened, and they just replaced the fence with a new one?

Have any pictures? Perhaps we could try to help narrow it down even further. The main casting pattern of 9-11 should be the same pattern as with 12+ (stippled). What does the depth adjuster have for texture around the outside?

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#8 posted 11-15-2012 06:45 PM

There’s quite a few videos on You-Tube, just do a search in You-tube for “Stanley 45 plane” and you’ll see perhaps 20 videos, relevant to the care and use of the #45.

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#9 posted 11-16-2012 04:37 AM

Nice post on the #45, Mos!

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#10 posted 11-16-2012 11:15 AM

I’ll try and get some pictures after work today and put them up.

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#11 posted 11-16-2012 08:08 PM

Mos, great post and idea. I will add to the conversation when I can.

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#12 posted 11-16-2012 11:13 PM

Looks like a freight train in this pic…

Short rods installed, playing with a #115 asymmetrical iron from a #55. Didn’t work very well…

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#13 posted 11-16-2012 11:17 PM

is that one of the quarter round with beads ones? Mine came with an Ogee cutter, but I haven’t been adventurous enough to try it…

What was the issue you had Smitty? Requires too deep a cut? That’s what I figured the issue with them would be…

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#14 posted 11-17-2012 05:38 AM

I’ve had some problems with certain cutters. Seems like some profiles really need for your lumber to be stepped down first with a rabbet plane in order to work right.
Hey, as a side topic, maybe somebody can explain what it takes to sharpen the complex cutter profiles. I have a few crummy old slipstones, but they really don’t get the job done satisfactorily..

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#15 posted 11-17-2012 05:42 AM

Smitty: I see you have a depth stop AND a slitter on the same mount. Way cool, can you use both at the same time?

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#16 posted 11-17-2012 06:31 AM

As far as I am aware, the #45 cutters only included plow/straight cutters, beads, sash, and match, with a few reeding blades optional later. Not including the auxilery bottoms for hollow/round. I thought all the more complex cutters were intended for the #55, which has the vertically adjustable fence section, to support the asymmetrical cutters

For my beading cutters, I have used fine sand paper wrapped around different sized dowels to sharpen them. I don’t have any slip stones. Just make sure you don’t sharpen the quirks more than the curve for the beading, or you’ll end up making the bead less than half round

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The depth stop and slitter is standard issue. The depth stop is meant to be used while using the slitter. I’ve also used my slitter depth stop with the slitter flipped (pointing up) when I wanted the double bearing front and back depth stops. It does get somewhat close to the knuckles, though, which a few people commented on when I did my dado video.

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#17 posted 11-19-2012 02:35 AM

I have a #45 and a #46 as well as the Craftsman 1080 I think that’s the number they use.. the biggest thing I have noticed in using them is going slow and easy.. don’t be in a hurry, let the tool do the work and don’t try to eat more than you can chew at one time.. As far as the sharpening question on some of the profiles, it seems that the slipstones are the only way I have found to get them good and sharp, and again its go slow and take your time.. I really like the #45 and the #46, but have found that with some profiles, the old wooden planes just work better.. not always, just on some.. just my 2 cents.. love the post..I have found that most people would rather time a rope to them and use them for anchors instead of planes.. such a shame.. thanks Mos for shining a light on a nice tool… Papa
P.S. I am looking for a complete set of irons for the #46 skew plow.. if anyone has some please give me a shout.. I have three of them now and would like them all…. thanks.. .Papa

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#18 posted 11-19-2012 03:38 AM

Is the Fulton 1080/85 a Sargent clone of the Stanley 45?
Haven’t figured out how to post pics yet.

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#19 posted 11-19-2012 01:28 PM

Sam, the 1080/85 is a copy of the 45/55. According to my book, the significant difference is the method of the cutter placement in the adjusting wheel.

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#20 posted 11-19-2012 05:39 PM

I’d love to have the H&R attachments and irons for the #45. Dreamy stuff, those are…

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#21 posted 11-19-2012 05:53 PM

Yes they are… Someday, maybe, eventually… #62 or H&R bottoms for the #45…

The other way to look at it would be 9 router bits or the H&R bases and blades… hmmm, that doesn’t sound as bad anymore :-)

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#22 posted 11-19-2012 06:22 PM

Just one size of each, really. I base that on the snippets I’m seeing from the moulding via H&R planes that Lost Art recently published. From that, it sounds like even a quarter set of H&Rs is all you need to do hundreds of profiles. That’d be the way to go vs. the #45, but I still want the capability on the Iron Monster… (term of endearment, really!) :-)

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#23 posted 11-19-2012 06:42 PM

If I’m remembering correctly, there’s 4 hollows and 4 rounds, and a bull-nose for the #45 (as far as specialty bases goes).

I’d also like some hollows and rounds, though… I think I want the H&R’s for the #45 just because they made them, I can have them, and I want to lol

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#24 posted 11-19-2012 06:43 PM

You know what I want to know. How the heck did Studley cut these cove profiles around these small parts? Was it with one of those hand router scraper tools?

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#25 posted 11-19-2012 06:44 PM

My bet would be on gouges… I wouldn’t imagine you’d be able to do that effectively with a plane

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#26 posted 11-19-2012 10:32 PM

my guess would be a beading tool. Probably one he made himself to.

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#27 posted 11-20-2012 12:14 AM

Man, that’s beautiful stuff. My luck, I’d get three of the four all shaped and then botch the final one…

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#28 posted 11-20-2012 01:42 AM

Poopiekat, I’m with you pondering the proper sharpening approach. I polish on the face of molding cutters for router and shaper, but I don’t know if that would be appropriate for these 45 cutters. By polishing on the face you don’t change the profile, but you affect the thickness.
I would have trouble using abrasives wrapped on a dowel because it is too easy to change the profile, especially in the tiny profiles some of these cutters have. There are also interior angles that are hard to reach even if you had slip stones, which I do. I have found a dental tool sharpener an RX Mini Hone, which is simply a variable speed vibrating holder that secures various shape stones and diamond plated rods. It does a rapid job of removing metal predictably and in tight corners. They are not very expensive. But is it appropriate to try to dress the profile? I have done so on badly disfigured cutters, trying to measure the outcome so it gets very close to the original, but as a matter of routine sharpening, not so much?
DanK

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#29 posted 11-21-2012 06:19 PM

To sharpen the inside profiles you use slip stones. Here is one source for gouges:
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=33013&cat=1,43072,43071&ap=1

Also look at machine shop suppliers for the tool and die maker supplies. They make them in almost any profile.

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#30 posted 11-21-2012 08:25 PM

What about just honeing the face and stropping off the burr with compound on leather?

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#31 posted 11-21-2012 09:56 PM

I use slipstones on mine. It is admittedly a pain in the butt, yet it does work. Takes some patience to get them sharp. But once you get them there, they should last for quite a while under normal use.

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#32 posted 11-23-2012 07:04 AM

Decent pic of a cutter doing it’s thing. I’ve only polished the backs of such profile irons so far to get good results.

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#33 posted 11-23-2012 12:50 PM

Nice Smitty. When I used my beading cutter, I just polished the back as you did, and then used 2000 grit sandpaper wrappeed around a dowel, just to knock off any bur on the bevel side. Your results look great1

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#34 posted 11-23-2012 02:11 PM

So how do you get started with these planes?
Unlike the hand bench plane, there are a lot more adjustments.
I have always stayed away from these planes in the past but now I am in deep water.

I attended the last day of this “Mother of all Plane Estate Sale” and end up with 5-6 of these types of planes couple months back. I know the blades are missing as well as the storage box. Since these planes have so many parts and not knowing much about them, I have no idea what parts may be missing. I figured, for $5.00/each I might able to put one together and buy the blades.

I’ll start with the links above to see what I can learn and put together. This forum should help me a lot. Thanks for starting this forum. I’ll be back with some pictures of my pile of junks later. You guys like junks. Right? Hopefully, with your help, I can turn one or two into a real treasure. If not, it’s not end of the world.

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#35 posted 11-23-2012 02:18 PM

hey hhhopks, if what you’ve got is a #45, the last page of this manual has an exploded view of a later model #45. The parts list isn’t 100% written down, but the exploded view seems to have almost everything shown.

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#36 posted 11-23-2012 02:57 PM

$5/ea?? Holy cow, what a score! Common theme with #45 owners is EVERYONE is missing something! :-) here’s to pulling together a working handtool, HH! Pics very welcome!

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#37 posted 11-23-2012 02:59 PM

I got lucky, mine had a full set of cutters, with original cutter boxes, and all parts were there except the micro fence adjuster screw. Although, the fence was broken and welded back together, but it works fine, so it doesn’t bother me except when I’m taking pictures lol

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#38 posted 11-23-2012 03:19 PM

That micro was missing on mine, too, but I found a sub…i was actually missing the center fence when I got it, too! Kinda key to the tool, don’t ya think? ;-)

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#39 posted 11-23-2012 06:05 PM

I hope these pics are true visual treats.

I have stored these planes in the basemenet for the last couple of months:

Here’s a shot from the other side.

This is a 248

There are 4 50s.

Looks like there are 5 45s

Yes, $5 each. Evidently, no one wanted it. It was a last day special.

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#40 posted 11-23-2012 07:41 PM

Oh, wow!!!!

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#41 posted 11-23-2012 07:50 PM

Yah, OH WOW! Tell me that’s not a TOOL GLOAT! (wiping drool)
DanK

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#42 posted 11-23-2012 08:06 PM

Very nice! I really like that early model (with the knob on the main body, and not on the fence)

The pictures aren’t the easiest to tell, but I am pretty sure you’ve got enough parts between all of those for at least 1 whole #45, and possibly even 2.

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#43 posted 11-26-2012 09:00 PM

Picked up a nice #45 with the floral pattern recently. No surprise, but it’s missing some blades and one of the short rods.

I’m thinking of picking up some 1/8” thick O1 tool steel in 1/4” and 1/2” width from McMaster-Carr to make some more 3/8”, 1/4”, 7/16”, and 1/2” plow cutters, and some 25/64” drill rod for the short rod. But I’ll have a ton of extra steel afterward, if anyone wants to collaborate. I’ve never heat-treated steel before, so this might be fun.

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#44 posted 12-03-2012 06:20 PM

I’m planning on picking up this 45. Just wondering if most of the important parts are there.
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#45 posted 12-03-2012 06:39 PM

GM, from what I can tell, it looks like it’s missing short rods, slitter, slitter depth stop, and the second front depth stop. Overall, though, I’d say it looks pretty good. The cutter box looks to be in fantastic shape. I didn’t count the cutters, though, so I’m not sure if they’re all there or not, but it looks like almost all of them are.

For the short rods, maybe you could hook up with Ian about making some replacements… ;-)

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#47 posted 12-03-2012 08:13 PM

Thanks Mos. guess I know what I’m getting for Christmas now.

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#48 posted 01-04-2013 03:21 PM

I just got a pretty decent sweetheart era 45 and I am wondering if there is an easy way of removing the wooden handle on the main body. The wood is fine but the metal body is pretty rusty.

If there is no easy way to remove it, how do you suggest that I “waterproof” it for an Evaporust bath?

Any suggestions?

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#49 posted 01-04-2013 03:51 PM

harshest, the answer may depend on how adventurous you are…

I know Don recently had a restoration that required replacing the tote, so removing his was made easier by the fact that it was already half missing.

For actually removing a usable tote, I think you’d have to be able to drill out and replace the brass pins that hold it in place, somehow. I’m not sure if you’d really be able to effectively “evaporust-proof” it, though.

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#50 posted 01-04-2013 03:55 PM

I say tape it up and go navel jelly.

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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