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Craigslist posters have gone nuts.....

by Bill White
posted 09-01-2012 07:39 PM


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jdmaher

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#1 posted 09-01-2012 08:23 PM

That’s what I see, too. I have no idea what’s going on, but I haven’t seen a real bargain in a year. Seems like everyone wants current retail price for their 40 year old “used to work real good” whatever.

I’m thinkin’ I’ll have to look for bargains elsewhere.

-- Jim Maher, Illinois

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#2 posted 09-01-2012 08:58 PM

I think, to some extent, Craigslist has gone the way of eBay. It has become so popular that folks know they can overprice an item and still have a good chance of some not-so-savvy buyer jumping on it. There are still bargains to be had, but they are harder and harder to find.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#3 posted 09-01-2012 08:58 PM

I’ve observed the same thing. Prices approaching and in some cases exceeding retail prices of new for used gear.

I think shows like Hardcore Pawn, Pawn Stars and Storage Wars are to blame. Money and numbers get tossed around like it’s Monopoly money. I’ve seen valuations given on some of these shows that I know for a fact are complete horse-shit.

When I make an offer for something from a CL seller, I try to be fair and usually have to explain to them why their “gold plated” vintage widget is fairly common, what’s wrong with it, what I will need to do to make it usable and frankly it’s barely worth a third of what they want for it.

-- "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

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#4 posted 09-01-2012 09:03 PM

i’ve noticed the same been looking for a jointer and everyone i see is covered in rust.if its that bad whats the motor and internals look like?

-- Marty.Athens,AL

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#5 posted 09-01-2012 09:08 PM

Sometimes I laugh at the photos. Somebody is selling a woodworking machine, and you can barely see any of it under and behind piles of other junk. There’s no need for professional photography, but all least move some stuff, unless it is there to hide something.

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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#6 posted 09-01-2012 10:00 PM

I hear ya! Dunno if people are stupid, lazy, ignorant, greedy, clueless, or some combination of those, but I absolutely agree with you. Things present so much better when they’re at least cleaned off.

I love the listings that read something like: 10” table saw – $250, no pic, no brand, no model, no description…..holy cow! I’d expect more from an average 10 year old….seriously!

It amazes me how many poorly listed items I see. Bad spelling is one thing, but I’ve gotten so I send corrections if they’ve grossly overstated the retail price or features on something…just in case they’re really didn’t know. Some thank me, some ignore me, some tell me off.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#7 posted 09-01-2012 10:03 PM

There are a lot of people online these days…most are sane and rational, but as in all groups of people, a small percentage will always be crazy. Unfortunately, the Web makes it easy for sellers to reach that tiny niche who don’t know any better. In fact, in some industries it’s a targeted market. Kind of sad.

-- http://www.ezwoodshop.com

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#8 posted 09-01-2012 10:30 PM

Sometimes I laugh at the photos. Somebody is selling a woodworking machine, and you can barely see any of it under and behind piles of other junk.

Yep. Nothing I see on CL baffles me more. Some jackass selling a TS and includes a pic of the machine with two full trash bags on top of it and a cardboard box in front of it. I mean really, it’d take 30 seconds to move the junk and make the saw presentable.
Then they have the balls to include “no lowball offers will be considered”. Well of course I always send them a ridculous offer- just to be a jerk. Something like “I know you’re asking $450 for the 113 saw, but I’ll be glad to give you $75…..but only if you include the trash bags and the box”.

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longgone

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#9 posted 09-01-2012 10:48 PM

Some people do not even know what they are selling. I saw a listing for a radial arm saw a while back and the photo was one of a miter saw. Severely worn out looking and obviously junk…yet they were asking $300. I emailed them and asked if they would take $350.

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hhhopks

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#10 posted 09-01-2012 11:19 PM

When I see these kinds of ads.
I have offered what I have instead.
Say the asking price for the tool for some ridiculas price for $200. I would offer to sell mine to them for $100. Of couse the actual item is probable ony with 1/5 to 1/4 of the orignal asking price. That way could turn around and double their money.

I don’t ever seem to get any taker.

-- I'll be a woodworker when I grow up. HHHOPKS

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MT_Stringer

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#11 posted 09-02-2012 12:43 AM

The cell phone age has created the biggest bunch of krummy photographers that I have ever seen! If I have something to sell, I am going to take the best pictures that I can so potential buyers can get a good idea of what I am selling and make their decision wisely. And then they send a low ball offer! :-(

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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Viktor

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#12 posted 09-02-2012 01:01 AM

Here is a new finding, which explains what is really going on.

Either that, or the rest of people are just stupid, lazy, ignorant, greedy, clueless, or some combination of those.

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hhhopks

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#13 posted 09-02-2012 03:40 AM

Oh great.

Looks like my level or grumpiness, is about to takeoff exponentiial confirming my kids’ testimony.

-- I'll be a woodworker when I grow up. HHHOPKS

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JK0702

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#14 posted 09-02-2012 04:11 AM

It seems to me that the people selling this stuff don’t use it anymore, but want almost what they paid for it. Also, it seems EVERYTHING is barely, lightly, or seldom used, and in near new condition. I’ve replied to some of these posters that I could get the same tool “new” for just a bit more money and it would be under warranty. They usually reply with, “This is a new tool”. I just can’t believe it. The toughest thing to deal with is when they tell you the tools price new is 3 times what you know the true retail price is.

Saw a listing tonight for “two sawing machines” with a picture of one old and beat up circular saw. Now there’s a guy I want to buy a tool from.

-- John - Huntington Beach, CA --- Growth occurs when we get out of our comfort zone.

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#15 posted 09-02-2012 08:08 AM

I saw a listing for a new table saw, missing motor, for $150. As it turns out it was on of those tables from HF that you mount a circular saw under.

-- If the old masters had power tools, they would have used them. So get off your damn High Horse.

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#16 posted 09-02-2012 09:15 AM

Since a bunch of Harbor Freights opened up near me, I see more and more people putting up pictures of harbor freight tools, not saying they are harbor freight and asking for more than what harbor freight sells them for. Not cool or right. Of course if you know harbor freight than you can tell but these people must think everyone else is an idiot.

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Tomj

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#17 posted 09-02-2012 09:19 AM

I have also seen listings for table saws that are actually tile saws, radial arm saws that are actually miter saws and bandsaws that are actually scroll saws.

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WIwoodworker

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#18 posted 09-02-2012 03:22 PM

Craigslist is an electronic rummage sale. Why are we surprised that bargains aren’t neatly arranged for us and convenient?

-- Allen, Milwaukee, WI

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longgone

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#19 posted 09-02-2012 04:16 PM

Anyone with half a friggin’ brain can post something that is a bad deal on craigslist and obviousy those who have the other half brain will buy it. Gives new meaning to PT Barnum’s comment that “There is a sucker born every day”.

This makes it more of a pain the the ass for serious buyers and sellers.
That is what Craigslist has evolved into since it is a FREE posting site. Maybe they should charge a few dollars to post ads and it would clear out a bunch of the garbage.

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knotscott

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#20 posted 09-02-2012 07:04 PM

One of the things that bothers me with CL more than lousy listings, is lack follow through from both buyers and sellers. It’s fairly common around here for people to post something for sale, then never reply back…I assume the item must be already sold, but it only takes a few seconds to reply with a “sold” note, or to delete the post. On the flip side, it’s also fairly common for buyers to not show when they say they’re going to. Overall though, I’ve met some pretty nice people through Craigslist and have gotten some nice deals….hopefully it’s a minority that are inconsiderate of others on the other end of the transaction.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Howie

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#21 posted 09-02-2012 07:17 PM

Same way with the ads around Tampa. I just smile and move on. The one ad I replied to and politely told the person that item could be bought brand new cheaper drew a rather MYOB letter.

-- Life is good.

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#22 posted 09-02-2012 07:36 PM

Despite all the wacky listings that I just enjoy as entertainment, my CL experiences have been nothing but positive.

I’ve made at least 12 CL purchases and one sale. Everyone that I met was a fine and honest-dealing person. Through CL I met the gentleman who mills most of the native lumber that I buy.

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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#23 posted 09-27-2012 02:39 AM

Sure you see the wacky ads. that part of the fun of CL, but I’m one who always on the look out and my shop speaks volumes such as drill press, grizzly g0555 b.s. festool vac, router, sander , hand planes galore etc. etc. Be sharp know your retail prices and jump when CL says jump and take the little lady out with the savings, I sure do…lol Blkcherry

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#24 posted 09-27-2012 04:39 PM

I’ve discovered some amazing finds through CL (including a $600 Near new Ulmia Bench, a very nice well kept tool collection @ half of 80’s pricing, and most recently a 24 inch SIMONDS saw vise) , so I have no complaints.

The wackier the ad, the more I know to stay far far away…so in a sense – these sellers have done me a favor. It does take a lot of sifting to find gold..

-- Scott

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#25 posted 09-27-2012 04:53 PM

I just saw a used but freshly painted 1970s delta 14” bandsaw, with upgraded cool blocks and a fence … $800 … i almost fell off my chair.

-- Its not a crack, its a casting imperfection.

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#26 posted 09-27-2012 05:30 PM

What about the people sell the stuff in “perfect condition” stuff for half price…..but its a $10 tool for $5.

Its less bother to goto the HD down the street than it is to: call,
get directions,
drive to west [email protected]$k,
meet the person,
hear their “story” of why they have to sell everything in their garage…....

not worth the lousy $5….wouldnt even be worth getting them for free. is $10-15 even worth their time posting? Id rather donate something to Habitat for Humanity than waste my time for a few bucks.

-- Isaac- Decatur, GA - "Your woodworking....NOT machining parts for NASA!!!"

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OnlyJustME

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#27 posted 09-28-2012 06:39 AM

I’ve seen a guy try to sell what looks to be a high school wood shop built tool tray/tote (you know that old simple design with the dowel for a handle) for $8.00 for what seemed to be the better part of a year. Just kept listing it and wouldn’t give up. Made me almost want to buy it just so i could burn it in the woodstove.

-- In the end, when your life flashes before your eyes, will you like what you see?

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bluekingfisher

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#28 posted 09-28-2012 07:28 AM

I wish I lived in the states, I could spend just hours perusing & killing myself laughing at those listings.

-- No one plans to fail, they just, just fail to plan

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Tigarman

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#29 posted 09-28-2012 08:31 AM

While I agree that many of the postings are junk, I have grabbed some awesome bargains. I recently picked up a Jet 16-32 Drum Sander with the full cabinet stand and table extensions for only $400. The thing runs like new. It even came with some extra sandpaper. Like someone already said, it is like a rummage sale; you have to look often and jump immediately. I debated putting it back up for sale for $800 because I know I would get it. However, after using it, I can’t let my new toy go.

-- Think Twice, Decide Once - Still cut three times

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paratrooper34

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#30 posted 09-28-2012 09:12 AM

I have had very good experiences with CL. Sure, there is some garbage out there. But there are real buyers and real sellers who take it as serious as I do. The result is I have sold items on there (a car, a motorcycle, and several other items) and purchased items on there. Fortunately, there is enough volume on there to give one the opportunity to pass over the BS stuff and actually find a deal or two. Should they charge for it? HELL NO! That will severely limit the amount of stuff on there and take away bargains. One poster had it exactly right: it is like a rummage sale (or tag sale or garage sale or yard sale if you like), why would you expect everything to be neat and orderly?

Oh, and CL is absolutely polar opposite from Ebay. The only thing that is similar is that there are deals and there are overpriced items.

-- Mike

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HorizontalMike

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#31 posted 09-28-2012 11:47 AM


Price: $1,325.00
Freight: $150.00
Your Price: $1,475.00
In Stock
(Click for showroom pickup)
Add to Cart
Add To Wish List

^Cost New^
———————————

CraigsList ON DRUGS:

USED

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/tls/3291480133.html

Grizzly Table Saw – $1475 (Converse )

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#32 posted 09-28-2012 12:12 PM

Beauty Mike, a real bargooon ;-)

-- Glen, B.C. Canada

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Jeff

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#33 posted 09-28-2012 12:27 PM

My problem here in Charlotte is having to wade through all the listings from guys in retail stores before having to wade through all the individual ads.

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#34 posted 09-28-2012 01:17 PM

I agree with WIwoodworker, Craigslist is nothing more than an electronic rummage sale. I also agree with you Bill, and the many others about the manner in which items are presented and the fact that people don’t take the time to make it presentable.

I realize that times are hard and people need to bring in extra money to make ends meet. I can even understand them trying to get more than something is worth. What I don’t understand is why people can’t tell when some one leaves meat on the bones to make for a fair reasonable trade. That they try to haggle you down before even seeing the item. Then there are those who show up and can see you left some meat on the bones and ask does it work?

I’ve yet to make a purchase off of Craigslist, because I haven’t seen something that I needed that I could afford new. I have sold items on Craigslist, and after the first sale I learned to weed out the kooks, by selling by appointment only. When I respond it is to set up appointments only and assure them its a fair deal. I find that a lot of people then don’t want to bother, and the time is set up when I’m not doing anything in the evenings so if they don’t show up I’m not out of my time waiting on them. I have since had two sales that the people saw that I had left some meat on the bones and didn’t haggle but gave me the asking price. They had both made reference that they were afraid that it was another one of those Craigslist horror stories, and were glad to see someone who still believes in a square deal.

I personally rather give things away to someone truly in need when I can, to avoid the rummage sale mentality. Its a lot less headache, although there are those times when you have to sell some things. Like the old saying goes. Don’t charge more than the market can bare if you want to prosper.

-- I don't make mistakes, I have great learning lessons, Greg

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#35 posted 09-28-2012 01:50 PM

Last evening I had another great CL experience. I like building with pine and am almost out. I saw a CL listing for Eastern White Pine in my town. It’s just a 10 minute drive, and the wood was cut on the seller’s property about 18 months ago. He hired someone with a portable bandsaw mill and has had it neatly stickered and covered since then.

I bought about 250 bf of 4/4 for less than $0.50/bf. Many of the boards are 16” – 18” wide, which leaves me with many options. The seller’s property abuts land that is owned and forested by a nearby commercial mill that charges about 3 times as much, kiln dried.

I am arranging to get another load soon.

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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#36 posted 09-28-2012 02:00 PM

That’s the good kind of nuts.

-- In the end, when your life flashes before your eyes, will you like what you see?

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#37 posted 09-29-2012 05:33 AM

Check out this Death trap waiting to happen. Has a 1 hp Powr-King motor on it but what manufacturer do you think the table saw came from?

VINTAGE TABLE SAW FOR SALE $250.00 OBO – $250 (Kensington, MD)
Date: 2012-09-25, 10:33PM EDT
Older table saw looking for a new home. High industrial motor, strong steel frame and sturdy wooden top. A great addition for home projects or a business. Motor recently turned on and is in working order. Has not been used in a number of years and it is time to part with it to make some room for basement renovations. The pictures show the saw fully assembled. I needed to take the motor off and the wooden top to take it out of the basement. All parts are still together and screws are bagged and labeled for easy reassembly. It is not difficult to put back together, may need help with motor as it is a little on the heavy side. I do have a pickup and will consider delivery depending on location and schedule. If you purchase at $250 delivery is free, otherwise delivery and drop off is $50 non-negotiable. Feel free to call or email with any other questions or if you are interested. Cell: (XXX) XXX-XXXX, or respond to this post via email. If you call, please leave a message and I will call back as soon as I am able. Thank you for your interest!

-- In the end, when your life flashes before your eyes, will you like what you see?

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#38 posted 09-29-2012 03:08 PM

Around here garage sales have gotten just as bad. A week ago someone advertised a “MAN’S” garage sale in the paper. Going to have tools, hunting, fishing, outdoor and camping stuff. I got up early, drove down there, got there 20 minutes before it opened on the first day. Nothing but overpriced junk! HE HAD OLD RUSTY TRAILER BALLS FOR $5! Trying to sell an old 4wheeler for $2500.

-- Gary

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#39 posted 09-29-2012 03:29 PM

Hmmm….just saw an ad for a 12”tablesaw still in the box….picture was a compound miter saw. He also had a ryobi T/S he referred to as a “small table saw”.....and a pressure washer for $75.
Link to listing

Im thinking he did not come by these goods honestly.

DUH!!!

-- Isaac- Decatur, GA - "Your woodworking....NOT machining parts for NASA!!!"

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#40 posted 09-29-2012 04:06 PM

Graig’s List and similar sites have suffered TV shows portraying people making money from junk, and now everyone and their brother wants to get into the act. Perhaps they will come up with another TV show entitled “You want how much for that”?

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#41 posted 09-29-2012 04:10 PM

My usual Saturday morning routine uncovered this little gem…call now, don’t think it will last

http://santafe.craigslist.org/tls/3270289868.html

Hitachi p13f planer – $600 (espanola 87532)

Features;o Top rollers for easier return of work piece
o Depth adjustment handle can be located to suit left or right handed operation
o Depth and micro adjustment scale
o Positive depth lock lever
o Anti kickback pawl
o Heavy duty stand supplied
o Stainless steel main table
o Pre-set 1/4”, 1/2” and 3/4” depth stop
o On-board storage for all accessories

Specifications;
•Width: 330mm (13”)
•Height: 3.2mm (1/8”) to greater than, 152.4mm (6”)
•Max. Depth of Cut: 2.4mm (3/32”)
•Power Input: 1,800W
•Rotation Speed: 9,250rpm
•Feed Speed: 7.2m/min (0.12m/sec)
•Table Size: 330mm x 930mm (including front & rear extension)
•Blade Type: Double Sided HSS
•Weight: 46kg (including stand)
•Standard Accessories: Spanner, Hex Key & Blade Setting Gauge

-- Nicky

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#42 posted 09-29-2012 06:16 PM

Other than the complete morons and spammers / scammers on CL , I’ve bought and sold numerous items on there.
I guess the idiots are part of the price of doing business for the rest of us.
The ones I like most are the ones that ask if the item is still available even though I’ve already stated in the ad that if you see it , it is still available ! Complete idiots , to say the least !

-- I'm absolutely positive that I couldn't be more uncertain!

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#43 posted 09-29-2012 06:28 PM

IssacH…CL is becoming the new Ebay I think without the auction format…I’ve picked up a few deals on the latter (e.g. PC 16ga air nailer still in the plastic wrap for $50). Didn’t look like any damage at all from when it fell off the truck… LOL.

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exelectrician

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#44 posted 09-30-2012 12:23 AM

Looking for used Duncan Phyfe tables, I saw an ad that read – Dunk and fife table few scratches here and there.

-- Love thy neighbour as thyself

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Richard

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#45 posted 09-30-2012 12:36 AM

I have bought and sold on CL for a few years. In the last two or three years it seems like the signal to noise ratio has gotten quite high.

I think it’s a reflection of the economy. Once things significantly improve I am hoping CL will show some signs of improvement as well.

In the meantime, I use an app on my smart phone to stay abreast of listings that match certain keywords I am looking for.

-- "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

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#46 posted 09-30-2012 05:12 PM

I’ve got to say – When I want to move something out the door – I cut the price hard, post on CL and put a few bucks in the pocket.

I have been looking for a good table saw on craigslist. What I find is either over $1000 or it’s not worth replacing my current piece of junk with——or both!

All bad new except for one thing – Harbor Freight SWS bench top table saw – $450.00. Any takers before I post it on Craigslist?

-- Thanks for all the lessons!

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OnlyJustME

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#47 posted 10-01-2012 04:05 AM

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/tls/3307667794.html

This guy has been moving for at least a year now and still wants $40 for scrap wood in the form of saw horses.

Saw Horses – $40 (Gaithersburg)
Date: 2012-09-30, 8:26PM EDT
[email protected] [Errors when replying to ads?]

3 saw horses. Work great! $40 for all 3. Great deal. Moving, must sell.

-- In the end, when your life flashes before your eyes, will you like what you see?

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ChuckV

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#48 posted 10-14-2012 11:29 PM

On the other hand, here is an example of someone who really knows how to make an item look inviting.
http://nh.craigslist.org/atq/3338044623.html

I have no idea what the price should be, and it scares me just to look at it, but the listing sure is well done.

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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Dusty56

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#49 posted 10-14-2012 11:49 PM

That is the most awesome thing I’ve ever seen from CL, Chuck !! Thanks for sharing it : )

-- I'm absolutely positive that I couldn't be more uncertain!

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#50 posted 10-15-2012 12:10 AM

Memories from childhood! Dad custom cut for several neighbors. A 32 inch blade on the back of an 8N Ford. Sometimes the sawdust was so deep he had to pull me out at noon. It was equally safe as this one! Guard? what guard!

-- The pursuit of excellence is gratifying and healthy. The pursuit of perfection is frustrating, neurotic, and a terrible waste of time. Edwin Bliss

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