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Craftsman vs. Rigid

by KPW
posted 03-10-2012 09:19 PM


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syenefarmer

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#1 posted 03-10-2012 09:29 PM

I don’t know the answer but over the years I’ve learned that even though something looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it isn’t always a duck. As an example, what tool brand is the most often misspelled?

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KPW

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#2 posted 03-10-2012 09:37 PM

I don’t know. Is this a riddle?

-- Ken --------- never try and put 5 lbs. of tenon in a 3 lb. mortise.

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KPW

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#3 posted 03-10-2012 09:50 PM

Oh, I know. It’s Jet right?

-- Ken --------- never try and put 5 lbs. of tenon in a 3 lb. mortise.

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Bill White

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#4 posted 03-10-2012 09:52 PM

Ridgid by all means. Don’t forget to fully register for the warrenty. R-I-D-G-I-D. Often misspelled.
I have found that though products may be made by the same mfg., specs may be different. I have no faith in Craftsman stuff today. I have a bunch of the old, good C’man tools. Kinda disappointing ain’t it?
Bill

-- [email protected]

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KPW

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#5 posted 03-10-2012 09:53 PM

Very good Bill

-- Ken --------- never try and put 5 lbs. of tenon in a 3 lb. mortise.

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#6 posted 03-10-2012 10:48 PM

I have the aforesaid mentioned Craftsman 21833 since February 2010. I had some initial issues as some others also had. After these were addressed, I have had good service from this saw. Yes, the Craftsman 21833 is not anything like the older Craftsman saws. I will replace the fence when I can afford one, the miter was already replaced with an Incra V27. It runs smooth, passes the Nickel and Penny test. Would I put the 1.75 hp up against a 3 or 5 hp, no, but it does a wonderful job that meets my needs. If I could afford or could justify the need for a Powermatic and/or a Unisaw I would jump on one of them. I plan on posting a full review in the not to distant future

-- Norman - I never never make a mistake, I just change the design.

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knotscott

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#7 posted 03-10-2012 11:43 PM

I’m sure I’ve read that some of the Ridgid’s have had alignment issues.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Gene Howe

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#8 posted 03-11-2012 12:40 AM

The Ridgids do not have alignment issues. However the Rigids, do. Especially when using a Frued or Tenyru blade.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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Bob Kollman

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#9 posted 03-11-2012 12:50 AM

My rigid 3650 had no issues (old model somewhat different) I would suggest going to the Rigid
wood workers site, you’ll find many examples of people who bought the saw and explain in detail
what the set up was like, saw performance, problems and trouble shooting. It was that web sight
that fully informed me, before I bought the saw. These people talk intelligently, and bring up real
issues not rants.

-- Bob Kenosha Wi.

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knotscott

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#10 posted 03-11-2012 03:22 AM

It’s definitely spelled “RIDGID”

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#11 posted 03-11-2012 03:51 AM

no alignment issues with my R4512.i purchased last march and have been using it since.

-- Jeff,Tucson,Az.

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cdhilburn

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#12 posted 03-11-2012 04:10 AM

Unfortunately the alignment issue is difficult if not impossible to resolve. I couldn’t fix mine on the 21833. But it is easily determined that there is an issue. The blade does not move up and down in a straight line. It shifts. So if you get the 21833 together and the blade shifts while going up and down you know you have issues. Most of the other alignment issues such as the 90 degree set screw, too little play in the bolt holes, etc. can be resolved but I haven’t seen a reasonable fix for the other. I had to get rid of mine. But for the record….I really liked the saw.

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Bob Kollman

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#13 posted 03-11-2012 07:10 AM

ooops sorry thank you knot scott. Ridgid

-- Bob Kenosha Wi.

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Bill White

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#14 posted 03-11-2012 04:24 PM

“The Ridgids do not have alignment issues. However the Rigids, do. Especially when using a Frued or Tenyru blade.”

Gene, that is a good lick. Subtile too. Oh, you forgot Onesrude blades.
Bill (snickering in his coffee)

-- [email protected]

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doncutlip

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#15 posted 03-11-2012 05:06 PM

A tablesaw is pretty important in the shop. I wouldn’t let shipping charges keep me from the saw I really wanted.

-- Don, Royersford, PA

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KPW

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#16 posted 03-11-2012 06:03 PM

I here you Don. I’m planning on moving soon so I won’t have as much room in my new shop so I’m trying to make things a little more mobile. My table saw now is an old craftsman contractor style with the motor in the back. Not that dust friendly even with the mods I made. So I’m hopeing that whoever manufactures the Craftsman 21833 and the RiDgid 4512 have resolved the blade alignment issues by now but can”t seem to get an answer. Either would be great for my needs. As far as the shipping costs go, Both can be picked up at Sears or HD respectively.

-- Ken --------- never try and put 5 lbs. of tenon in a 3 lb. mortise.

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KPW

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#17 posted 03-11-2012 06:08 PM

BTW Bob K, Thanks for the tip about the RiDgid website. Come to find out some RiDgid 4512 owners had the same blade alignment problem when raising or lowering the blade. This saw came out in 2009-2010. You would think they would have fixed it by now!!!

-- Ken --------- never try and put 5 lbs. of tenon in a 3 lb. mortise.

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KPW

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#18 posted 03-11-2012 06:11 PM

Great spelling bee guys

-- Ken --------- never try and put 5 lbs. of tenon in a 3 lb. mortise.

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Bob Kollman

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#19 posted 03-11-2012 07:48 PM

Don, I think uses the grizzly saw, grizzly has some great saws starting around 700 bucks, they do a high intrest
pay me later credit, you can buy now but if you pay it off in 6 months there is no interest to pay. That’s how
I got my drum sander, trick is to pay it in 6 months. I can also tell you there customer service is great, I had one big issue and they took care of it.

-- Bob Kenosha Wi.

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wee3

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#20 posted 03-12-2012 04:27 AM

Go grizzly,you get alot for the money,and there made in same factory as powermatic im told.good luck.

-- BiLL @wee3

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KPW

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#21 posted 03-12-2012 08:54 PM

Thanks guys on the push towards Grizzly. It made me go to their site and look at the GO715P. Looks like just what I need if I put it on the mobile base. Now all I need to do is convince the BOSS!! She can be tuff.

-- Ken --------- never try and put 5 lbs. of tenon in a 3 lb. mortise.

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Paul Stoops

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#22 posted 03-14-2012 09:34 PM

Aww—————just tell her about all of the wonderful things you are going to make for her…........ :-) Any resistance will probably just melt away…............. Good luck!

-- Paul, Auburn, WA

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KPW

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#23 posted 03-15-2012 12:43 PM

LOL Paul. Easier said than done.

-- Ken --------- never try and put 5 lbs. of tenon in a 3 lb. mortise.

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#24 posted 03-15-2012 12:46 PM

Two words of advice….”foot rub”.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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KPW

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#25 posted 03-15-2012 01:32 PM

Got it!!!!

-- Ken --------- never try and put 5 lbs. of tenon in a 3 lb. mortise.

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Paul Stoops

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#26 posted 03-16-2012 04:15 PM

Backrubs never hurt, either…................. :-)

-- Paul, Auburn, WA

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MBAJIM

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#27 posted 03-01-2017 08:57 PM

I have the Craftsman 21833, took me ~10 min to set everything up and it’s been working wonderful for 1.5-years. I don’t understand why people say it has ‘alignment’ problems, if you set it up right it works wonderful. I wanted to talk about the Ridgid Lifetime Warranties, they are a joke y’all. I have a big Ridgid bandsaw and drill press. The drill press I was drilling out metal, set the speed to gov. recommended speed, found here: https://www.fnal.gov/pub/takefive/pdfs/Drill_Press_Speed_Chart.pdf, the belt and one of the pulleys snapped. I contacted Ridgid and they told me I was ‘Using it Wrong…” and I had to pay for the repair. I bought a 3rd party belt and pulley for ~$15 and fixed it myself. Then the Band Saw, oh the Band Saw… Theres cheap rubber that goes around the turning wheels, it pops off the first time you use it. Then, the wheels themselves will crack and you have to call Ridgid and they explain that even though you followed the instructions on tightening the blade, you were using it wrong and therefore they don’t need to cover it. <—>ll never buy another Ridgid tool again.

-- Talking out of turn? That's a paddlin'. Lookin' out the window? That's a paddlin'. Staring at my sandals? That's a paddlin'. Paddlin' the school canoe? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'.

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knotscott

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#28 posted 03-01-2017 09:55 PM


I have the Craftsman 21833, took me ~10 min to set everything up and it s been working wonderful for 1.5-years. I don t understand why people say it has alignment problems, if you set it up right it works wonderful.

- MBAJIM

Just because YOUR 21833 didn’t have the alignment issue doesn’t mean that others didn’t. It was far more than people just not setting up their saws correctly. The same issue impacted several units of every brand of saw that used those underpinnings, including the R4512, 21833, Dayton, Menards, and the Griz G0715P….not all, but enough that it was a pretty well known issue. No amount of setup on a defective saw can prevent the back end of the blade from wiggling back and forth when raising or lowering the blade, thus causing the alignment to change with every height change. It’s not fair to those who drew the short straw to assume they made a mistake with the setup….many who experienced the problem went through quite an ordeal even though they’d done everything right, and then some. The alleged good news is that alignment issue has supposedly been fixed….if your saw is newer you likely got a good one. If it was older, you got lucky.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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MBAJIM

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#29 posted 03-04-2017 01:21 AM

Well, you make a good point. I could have gotten one where they just fixed the alignment issues.

-- Talking out of turn? That's a paddlin'. Lookin' out the window? That's a paddlin'. Staring at my sandals? That's a paddlin'. Paddlin' the school canoe? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'.

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Jimintomahawak

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#30 posted 03-04-2017 01:59 AM

I am thinking of pulling the trigger on the ridgid. The price is just right for me. Knotscott do you have one? The hd near me has 3 in stock but serial numbers don’t give away Mfg date. If not the ridgid what would be next up?? I nice had a shop fox that was a great saw but it went away with a move.

-- Laziness drives creative thinking...

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toolie

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#31 posted 03-04-2017 03:57 PM

try the 4512. if it has a defect, bring it back. customer satisfaction is, i believe, still guaranteed by ridgid. if it works as it should, register iyt online with ridgid for their lifetime service agreement and they will fix it for you for as long as you own it. if the tool isn’t registered with the LSA, it still comes with a 3 year new tool guaranty.
after the 4512, this griz is probably the next best thing new:

http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-Hybrid-Table-Saw-with-T-Shaped-Fence/G0771Z

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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knotscott

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#32 posted 03-04-2017 04:58 PM

No, I don’t own an R4512. If you can swing the G0771Z that Toolie linked to, I think that’d be a much nicer saw overall. It’s more money for sure, but you get a full enclosure, nice fence, solid cast wings, cabinet mounted trunnions, more mass, etc. If you can’t up the budget, have you been watching CL for a good used saw?

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Woodknack

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#33 posted 03-05-2017 01:32 AM

My bet is they all have the alignment issue since it was design defect. More than one person has claimed theirs didn’t have it only to come back and sing a different tune. I don’t understand why anyone is still recommending these saws.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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MBAJIM

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#34 posted 03-09-2017 03:34 AM

I disagree on the R4512, go with the Craftsman 21833, it’s a great saw.

-- Talking out of turn? That's a paddlin'. Lookin' out the window? That's a paddlin'. Staring at my sandals? That's a paddlin'. Paddlin' the school canoe? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'.

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bdresch

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#35 posted 03-09-2017 04:42 AM

Do you have a Lowes near? The Delta model they carry has a nicer fence imho, better dust collection, and no risk of blade misalignment.

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Dannoh05

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#36 posted 03-09-2017 03:34 PM

I also have the same Rigid Saw and had some alignment issues. I contacted Ridgid and they claim there is nothing wrong with the saw. I got it aligned to “close enough” and replaced the blade with Diablo. I check the alignment every 3 months. so far so good.

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