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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
The following is the exerpt from the post a new project page….

Yes, I want to post my finished project that is made of wood
If it doesn't fit the above description (like tool gloats & upgrades, wood gloats, projects in progress etc.),
either blog it or post it in an appropriate forum. Otherwise it will be removed.

Maybe that needs to be enforced a bit better…..
 
#2 ·
seems so simple doesn't it

yet most don't get it

i just checked the home page

39,600 members

like going to a major airport
nobody knows anybody

but everyone just insists they are first
in line
and demand attention
 
#4 ·
i have been thinking
of making something
out of white melamine

maybe i'll post it as a project too
even though i don't have any pictures of it yet

and ask what color white i should paint it
 
#5 ·
I have read and understood but I still posted some projects using Corian mainly to show that there is life other than wood. I had NO complaints from the Administrators (maybe they don't look at projects unless they are friends or buddies) but I had quite a few private messages reminding me that this is a wood workers site. Maybe a section for "other than wood projects" could let those who dabble in other materials post their projects, with Corian I use the same method as I do with wood and I thought it could be interesting for other members.
 
#7 ·
"Otherwise wise it will be removed". Now, the question is by who? and the answer is by Martin Sojka, I think. So, Larry, you have to direct your complaint or any suggestion to Martin himself because he can not review all the site every day and take action. We, all Lumberjocks, have to help him with this task.
 
#8 ·
Sam I don't know about that… I remember making a questionable post and having it ripped within minutes… and I have checked back over my 193 projects and there is one that was inappropriately posted in projects but that was well before the new conditions had to be posted… so I apologise about that one…
What really gets my goat is people actually stating in the information section that the project is not made of wood or is not finished… and still posting it…
 
#9 ·
Bob Collins has a point. Restoring woodworking machines certainly isn't wood, but we all like it because as woodworkers we are interested in woodworking machines, and presumably in woodworking techniques, even though the material we are working with might sometimes be some other material. On the other hand we do get a lot of woodworking projects that are actually home improvement projects which should probably be posted on the HomeRefurbers site. This doesn't bother me. I think that some (maybe many) members just feel that they are with their good friends and want to share something, which in some cases happens to be more social and less woodworking or not strictly on subject.

As Larry points out it is better when folks follow the rules. I'm sure we all get annoyed with some of the things posted, especially those that aren't within the bounds of site policy, but I figure that I don't have to read what I don't like and so I just pass it by. Occasionally I get PMs or posts on my home site from some Nigerian swindlers posing as girls who find a 72 decrepit man 'interesting'. I just block them and forget them. David is also correct in reminding us that with almost 40,000 members its bound to be a little chaotic.

My suggestion is to be glad they are participating in the site and not crazy on drugs, drunk or committing heinous crimes. Personally I think bad behavior is best rebuked by just ignoring their posts. Those folks will soon learn that to get any attention they will have behave themselves. I Also agree with Sam that individual complaints are best directed to Martin. I have done that in the past and he has 'fixed' it every time.

I think it would be awful to lose folks like Larry who has contributed so much to the site and inspired so many others because we are thoughtless with our posts. The first question we should ask ourselves before posting should be 'is this really woodworking related, and will anyone besides myself actually be interested in it?', excepting of course those 'off topic posts' on the forums.
 
#10 ·
Stefang, I certainly count you as one of my friends here and appreciate your comments… but in the Daily Top 3 over recent days there is example after example of inappropriate postings…... pics of workshops… while nice to look at… should be in the workshop part of their page…several jigs…very inventive some of them but best posted in another section….as well as one make of some type of pvc pipe…
I do understand that some people think the only place to be noticed is in Projects… so that is where they post all there items…and sometimes I see a post and go to take a better look only to find it is part one of a blog, or a wood gloat, or some such…
 
#13 ·
I thought everything was just nice. I do like the variety. The workshops are interesting, I never saw the Corian projects, but I would like too. Jigs are helpful. Some questions are plain stupid and redundent, but what the heck my wife says that about me. I suggest this site to many people and I explain that there are a lot of beginners and several projects posted. I aslo say you look at these and think that there's not much too them than "Bang" someone post a project that just leaves you feeling humble. There are a lot of talented, inventive and intellegent folks here. I respect all levels of skill, but I do have a laugh every once and a while.
 
#14 ·
I agree completely! Did someone piss in your corn flakes? I have had two heart attacks in the last 5 years and believe me you don't want to work yourself up to one of those!

Just kidding about the corn flakes, maybe it was cheerios! lol

Relax, have a beer and don't let them get to ya!

I used to think some cars must not have turn signals but then I thought maybe people are just not wanting to wear them out!

Have you ever been behind someone in traffic and when the light changes thats when they turn their left turn signal on? It frosts my ass!

I'm getting off my soap box now to make room for others and I did signal before I got down!

I enjoyed our rants and thank all you jocks for being there!
 
#15 · (Edited by Moderator)
i think that those who are new here should show a little respect for those who have been here a looooong time, and who know the rules, and who are major contributors to this site…following the rules use to mean , that's what you do, no questions asked…now,,,its a hay day, it doesn't matter, we just do what we want, and if people have a problem with it, well heck ill just create a tv show about it…....lumber jocks is just that, WOOD…..doesn't mean you cant post things that have other things in it, but its suppose to be mostly wood…and its suppose to be finished…in big bold letters…it says IS THIS A WOOD PROJECT, IS THIS A FINISHED PROJECT… not a blog on how i made it…that's a blog, post it in the blogs…..listen to those of experience here folks…show some respect….follow the rules.. please.
 
#16 ·
True Larry. I do see your point. It is annoying when you post a project and it is already on page 5 at the end of the day because of so many unwarranted project posts. There are a lot of wonderful project posts, but there are also a lot of them that don't belong there and just pollute the site. I have never thought that having a lot of members is a particularly good marker of success, except for the site owners.
 
#17 ·
Have another beer, Larry. You sound stressed. :)

I agree with you for the most part. I think people just don't pay attention to the posting rules… it's not that they are intentionally trying to be obnoxious.

I do disagree with you on one minor point, though. If I make a jig out of wood (a table saw sled, for example), I say that's a valid woodworking project.
 
#18 · (Edited by Moderator)
"Can't we just all get along"? There are a lot of people in here, from all sorts of backgrounds, so some of this has to be expected. How we deal with it is certainly in our control. Earlier in my LJ's experences I have been slammed by a fed up member who didn't think that what was listed was correct. Instead of a friendly concern it was hostile, seen the same thing done to others. Improvements have been made trying to help people to chanel down the right path when listing. I have had things in projects listed only for a few hours before others pushed it off. And yes, sometimes questionable projects, but I don't see this getting much better. Some of the problems are just from the sheer amount of stuff being listed that are listed correctly. I can still remember the posting of one called "10,000 pens" where comments were made against people posting just one pen, on several pens. They should be able to be as proud of their new pen as anyother projects no matter how complex or better looking. That is my 2 cents. As this topic is being grinded out lets be careful to remember not to grind each other in the process.

http://lumberjocks.com/topics/16403 10,000 pens link

-Mike
 
#19 ·
one thing that is hard to deal with at times
is that there is a
JIGS AND FIXTURES forum (http://lumberjocks.com/forums/12)
after 5 years
it only has 174 entry's

and as so few use tags to add to their posts
it is hard to find what you may be looking for
when you do a search for some help
 
#21 · (Edited by Moderator)
IMO, I think the "problem", if it really is a problem, lies in the fact that there is only ONE gallery of images and that is linked to "Projects."

By and large folks are quite visual by nature. And sadly, currently there is no way to have a gallery of, for example:

1. Member's Personal Gallery-(under their control to post images of their own choice… pets, family, tools, etc.) - Would not have to be accessible beyond members "Profile" page.

2. WW Hand Tools Gallery-There is great interest in WW hand Tools and to have a ready made reference gallery might help folks identify a family heirloom or just admire others' collections without having to blindly hunt through forum topics/posts that may or may not show them.

3. WW Tool Collection(s) Gallery-could include all forms of WW tools including power tools and "dream" tools for inspiration.

I have made such suggestions in the past. What do you all think?
 
#23 ·
I agree HorizontalMike. It would be nice to have some additional options. I understand why they need restictions on certain galleries, but your idea would help with more places to post things we like. I personally dont care what people post where, if I like it I will look at it, and if not, I pass. I feel everyone has certain things they would like to share and thats OK with me as long as its all kept civil.
 
#26 ·
As our membership increases we need adjustments made to maintain a structure that is easy to navigate. H-Mike's suggestion addresses an issue where we
need to expand options not only to point to specific content areas but also to divide current sections into "sub sections" to allow for the ever increasing membership.
I can see Larry's frustration as we now have "projects" by the butt load taking that area into the fast lane where it does not get noticed. Yes they should only be finished Projects and nothing else.
Larry, your projects are always a pleasure to see and most people here are in awe of your work. Let us as members suggest to management ways to improve and update the site to meet issues we find along the way.
Larry, these things need to be brought up when a change is needed and you were quite right to bring it up. Good on yer mate.
 
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