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Final Touch on my HF Dust Collector Mod.

by shipwright
posted 02-06-2012 12:14 AM


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stefang

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#1 posted 02-06-2012 12:21 AM

Good work Paul. It looks a little like a robot serving a pitcher of beer?

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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#2 posted 02-06-2012 12:40 AM

Awe shucks.

-- Chunk's Workshop pictures: http://spadfest.rcspads.com/thumbnails.php?album=135

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#3 posted 02-06-2012 01:04 AM

You’re an honest man Paul.

-- Backer boards, stop blocks, build oversized, and never buy a hand plane--

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#4 posted 02-06-2012 01:26 AM

I thought that was the reason for ceilings. gr8 idea Paul… and @ Mike…. LOL

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Keep your dust collector fed. [email protected]

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#5 posted 02-06-2012 01:30 AM

shipwright,

I don’t want to ASSUME (you know what happens) that you made a Thein Baffle, so I must ask; Did you make a Thein Baffle & can I see it?
I just upgraded to the Wynn 35A274NANO cartridge filter and a Long Ranger III remote. I need to do the Thein Baffle modification next. As soon as I complete the building of an Air Cleaner from a repurposed, variable speed, squirrle cage, furnace blower I’m going to construct the a “Top Hat” Thein Baffle Separator and also run 4” metal ducting throughout the shop.

Pretty please, with a cherry on top, can I see some pictures!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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#6 posted 02-06-2012 02:15 AM

Is it a hand operated chain pully or do you have a comealong attatched? On a track or just hung as needed?

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#7 posted 02-06-2012 02:16 AM

I’ve set up a 2×4 tripod some times

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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shipwright

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#8 posted 02-06-2012 02:18 AM

I don’t really know what exactly makes a separator a “Thein” except that apparently one Phil Thein is among the many people who have devised cyclone style dust separators. That said Yes, I did make a cyclone style separator for my HFDC. It is likely unknowingly plagiarizing several I have seen before and has some of me in it too. Let’s just call it a cheap cyclone. If you follow any of my stuff here you’ll know that I like to keep it simple and cheap but not sacrificing efficiency.

Mine is made from a few cheap and easily accessible parts:
1) Metal garbage can..... stronger than plastic and it has a rim around the bottom that makes it stay put on a circular plywood support base.
2) MDF top because that’s what I had at the time.
3) Plastic 5 Gallon can.......... Makes a large volume (lower velocity) exit stream to the blower assembly, sticks down nice and deeply into the can, comes with a nice flange to screw to the MDF top, and is cheap and available.
4) Foam pipe insulation to seal the MDF lid to the can.
5) A 3/4” plywood disc mounted on the motor mounting base of the HF cart that fits inside the garbage can bottom rim
6)A 90 degree plastic DC elbow to direct the air in a cyclone style flow around the can.

I used the original HF cart but had to move the bag mounts an inch or two away to make room for the can.
Probably the only difference between mine and most others is that I thought a large bore exit flow seemed to make sense to me. I could be wrong but it works a treat and all I get in the lower bag is very fine dust.

Hope this helps

Paul

-- Paul M ..............the early bird may get the worm but it’s the second mouse that gets the cheese! http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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#9 posted 02-06-2012 02:24 AM

DocSavage45, it’s just a chain on a hook. You lift the head a few inches and hook it on the chain.

-- Paul M ..............the early bird may get the worm but it’s the second mouse that gets the cheese! http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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#10 posted 02-06-2012 03:19 AM

Thanks for the pictures & detailed description.

Again, I don’t want to assume. How large is the hole in the bottom of the 5gal bucket?

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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shipwright

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#11 posted 02-06-2012 07:10 AM

The whole bottom is cut off.

-- Paul M ..............the early bird may get the worm but it’s the second mouse that gets the cheese! http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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#12 posted 02-06-2012 07:13 AM

I guess that is as big of a hole as you could get in the bucket!

Thanks for the info.

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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#13 posted 02-06-2012 07:58 AM

Thanks for the info Paul.

I have a separator on my todo list but have not gotten to it yet.

The question I have not been able to find an answer to is do we still need a tall plastic bag under the filter or can we make shorter?

-- Abbas, Castro Valley, CA

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#14 posted 02-06-2012 04:18 PM

There’s no reason, that I see, not to make it shorter.

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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#15 posted 02-06-2012 05:01 PM

The only reason to keep the stock bag is so that it can rest on the cart instead of hanging in the air I guess. It would take a very long time to fill it.

-- Paul M ..............the early bird may get the worm but it’s the second mouse that gets the cheese! http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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#16 posted 02-06-2012 05:01 PM

Good stuff! I always pick up good shop tips from your post, thanks.

-- Terry Roswell, L.A. (Lower Alabama) "Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans."

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#17 posted 02-06-2012 05:22 PM

Thats a great looking rig Paul. So I have a ShopFox 2hp DCand it is piped 6” aroundmy shop. Do you think I could use the same components but just cange the intake to 6” duct with a 6” elbow ?

Ken

-- Ken --------- never try and put 5 lbs. of tenon in a 3 lb. mortise.

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ldl

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#18 posted 02-06-2012 06:06 PM

A couple of questions.
Did you remove the inlet flange on the DC where it sits on the bucket?
Do you clamp the DC to the bucket top or does the DC weight hold it down?

-- Dewayne in Bainbridge, Ga. - - No one can make you mad. Only you decide when you get mad - -

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#19 posted 02-06-2012 06:34 PM

Ken, I see no reason not to.

Dewayne, No I didn’t and no I didn’t. The weight holds it nice and snug.

-- Paul M ..............the early bird may get the worm but it’s the second mouse that gets the cheese! http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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#20 posted 02-07-2012 07:11 PM

Randy asked a good question. What makes a “Thien” imo is his baffle design, but I don’t see one in your separator. So, what keeps the dust in the can when it fills up? It looks to me like it would work when the can was empty, but go right up the chimney when it approached a certain fullness.

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#21 posted 02-07-2012 07:35 PM

Never had the problem. Very easy to empty the can. I do it every couple of months for the use I give it and I’ve never had chips in the bag, just fine dust. I think any design will become less efficient as the can fills up.

-- Paul M ..............the early bird may get the worm but it’s the second mouse that gets the cheese! http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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