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Made in America

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posted 12-09-2011 08:03 PM


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#1 posted 12-09-2011 08:11 PM

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#2 posted 12-09-2011 08:12 PM

This is a FANTASTIC report. I wonder if there are any details, as in, even though the final price is 1% more, are they able to keep pretty much similar profit margins as competitors buying material from overseas?

I wonder what the Lennar’s, DR Horton’s, KB’s out there think of this.

Thanks for posting.

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#3 posted 12-09-2011 08:18 PM

I saw this a couple of days ago.
Great report
Thanks for posting it Topamax.

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#4 posted 12-09-2011 08:20 PM

Everyone should bookmark this website for reference when they need to buy something

http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/

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#5 posted 12-09-2011 08:23 PM

Cool!! Now they need to put together a list for us consumers of consumer products that are made in America with American parts and labor so that all of us can be better shoppers (and Americans).

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#6 posted 12-09-2011 08:58 PM

Need to send this to Washington. I person in particular.
Bill

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#7 posted 12-09-2011 09:07 PM

DAMN STRAIGHT !!!!! To all the comments
MIKE

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#8 posted 12-09-2011 09:20 PM

GREAT Video!

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#9 posted 12-09-2011 09:27 PM

Awesome report thanks for sharing!

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#10 posted 12-09-2011 10:11 PM

Great find Topa! Thanks!

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#11 posted 12-09-2011 10:20 PM

yahuu Topa now you are famerous … the ladies wants you…. LOL

Dennis

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#12 posted 12-09-2011 10:27 PM

Handystanley made the same post a while back. It is a great story -
The link below is the pdf file of the suppliers for the house from ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Business/Made%20in%20America%20List.pdf

-- “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

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#13 posted 12-10-2011 12:21 AM

How about a list of American wood working tools and sundries.We could put it together right here on Lumber Jocks.We could have a running list we all could add to.When you buy a wood working product check to see were it is made and if it is made in America and you can verifi it post it to the list.I got the first one, Lee Craft 0 clearance inserts, great product well made about $25 made right Georgia.

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#14 posted 12-10-2011 12:54 AM

Chipy,

Great idea. That could be a forum all on it’s own. I wouldn’t want to exclude other countries with good stuff, so I would entitle it ”NOT MADE IN CHINA”

My first one on the list would be Klein hand tools….......Sold in Home Depot, made in the USA

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#15 posted 12-10-2011 08:39 AM

Hope you don’t mind.. I reposted the embedded version…

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#16 posted 12-10-2011 02:27 PM

jim C Thanks, see you have tweaked the idea already.Thanks Topa, this is your thread and your a more senior member than I lets talk to the powers that be and start a new forum!!!!!

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#17 posted 12-10-2011 11:21 PM

Thanks Topa, now If I could just buy American power tools, the ordeal is Delta is made in the USA, but owned by the Chinese.

-- Chief Petty Officer USN(RET) 1991-2011

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#18 posted 12-11-2011 12:04 AM

I’ve been watching this show for awhile now, it’s really hard to find some of the things we buy. The biggest item I tell my friends is their car or truck, and then home appliances. Just because you car was assembled in America doesn’t mean the profits stay here. My neighbor is retired navy and complains about the economy all the time and he drives a mitsubishi his wife has a toyota , maybe his kids can get volkswagons just to round it out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi

Buy American it matters. Thanks Topamax

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#19 posted 12-11-2011 12:20 AM

The only vehicles that are actually made in the USA are foreign owned. The big 3 get most of their parts from Canada and Mexico and then assemble the vehicle in the US. There are more foreign cars made in the US than American cars. Read the sticker and the fine print says final assembly point.

-- Chief Petty Officer USN(RET) 1991-2011

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#20 posted 12-11-2011 12:29 AM

Lumberjocks needs to create a tab on this website that will provide links to American made woodworking tools and products. I know we all would greatly appreciate it and would certainly use it for purchases.

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#21 posted 12-11-2011 12:42 AM

Greg – Why? It would be no good to me or any of the LJs living outside of the US. You have some great tools and toolmakers, but this is a GLOBAL site that was started by Martin who I believe lives in Czechoslovakia.

-- Andy - Old Chinese proverb says: "If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it."

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#22 posted 12-11-2011 01:00 AM

This is amazing, if true. I know that many years ago there was only one roofing nail manf. in the USA. Contractors had a real search problem when doing defense work before the INTERNET. Required to document that all materials were made in America for defense contract$.

-- No PHD just a DD214 Lubbock Texas

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#23 posted 12-11-2011 02:06 AM

I try to buy everything “made in USA”. I haven’t step foot in Harbor freight in over 10 years.

Its not only the Government and wall streets fault our economy is the way it is. Its everyone’s.

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#24 posted 12-11-2011 02:23 AM

Back in the 80s I was wondering how long we could export jobs instead of products. Now we know ;-((

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#25 posted 12-11-2011 02:47 AM

I wonder what would happen if Canada turned off the oil tap ?

How would you all drive to work ?

having said that………cant blame anyone for buying goods made on their own soil : ))

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#26 posted 12-11-2011 02:47 AM

Brit,
That is my concern.

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#27 posted 12-11-2011 02:57 AM

I have friends who live in Canada and our motto is Made in North America.

-- Don

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#28 posted 12-11-2011 03:13 AM

very good ya’ll…...... here is another one to add: http://madeinusaforever.com/

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#29 posted 12-11-2011 04:13 AM

Maybe be a GLOBAL site, but it is in English and definitely oriented towards the American market. Wonder why that decision was made? ;-))

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#30 posted 12-11-2011 10:28 AM

Topa – Personally, I don’t think the site is oriented towards the American market. If you stripped all of the content out of LJs, there would be nothing to suggest it was an American site. True, the majority of the members are from North America and therefore much of the content reflects that, but the site itself isn’t. The reason that most of the members are from North America is probably because there are more woodworkers in North America than any other country. The reason for that is probably because it is one of the few countries left where there is still reasonable access to a variety of hard woods at reasonable prices and your toolmakers and woodworking retailers are currently the best in the world. The site is in English simply because most people who live in countries where English isn’t their first language, speak English better than we do.

Topa, I’m not trying to pick a fight here. I agree that if you live in North America, then you should buy American. Why the hell wouldn’t you? I just didn’t agree with Greg’s proposal.

-- Andy - Old Chinese proverb says: "If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it."

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#31 posted 12-11-2011 10:33 AM

I guess I have to chime in here also, in sync with a few comments above that have touched on the distinction between “America”, “North America”, “USA”, and “Canada” which is where I, and MANY other LJ’ers also live.

First off I basically agree with buying ANY items that help create Jobs in “NORTH AMERICA”, BUT I think there are a few Geographical Errors floating around.

I’m somewhat surprised that ABC News being a “Reputable News Station” (I’m assuming that, as it’s not a News station I watch) would use the term “Made In America” when I believe it was a news article about “Made In USA”. One guy had a sign that got that correct.

So. Bottom Line is “America” is a “Continent” consisting of “North America and “South America”.

“North America” is “Canada” and the “United States Of America” or “USA” if you prefer. It also includes “Alaska”, and “Mexico” as well as a few “Assorted Islands” here and there.

“South America” is ….well ….. “South America”. We all know what and where it is.

Perhaps it’s our Basic Education and what we’ve always “Heard”. In Canada we don’t call the USA…”America” it’s the USA, or usually The United States or just The States.

I can’t speak for every Canadian on here, but Made in Canada OR the USA would be our first preference IF in fact the “Item” is still made in North America.

One company that immediately comes to mind is Lee Valley. A Canadian Company. That I believe a Great Number of us hold in High Esteem.

Yes! Some of their products come from outside North America and a LOT of their products come from the USA. Their Catalogues usually identify the “Place Of Origin”. “Veritas” is their Design and Manufacturing Division. Actually I believe they are now known as “Lee Valley-Veritas”.

Yes! As also mentioned this IS a GLOBAL SITE and I would not be in favour of any change, modification or alteration to that GLOBAL Aspect.

That’s pretty well it other than to say this is NOT intended to Insult or Chastise the USA or any of the Members here wherever they may live. It’s MY Opinion ONLY as are the Comments above.

This is an Excellent Post for a number of reasons. Thank You for Posting this Topamax!!!

Regards To All: Rick

-- Richard (Ontario, CANADA)

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#32 posted 12-11-2011 11:53 AM

Mr. Brit:

”Personally, I don’t think the site is oriented towards the American market. If you stripped all of the content out of LJs, there would be nothing to suggest it was an American site. True, the majority of the members are from North America and therefore much of the content reflects that, but the site itself isn’t.”

Good point. I’ve always looked at the Site as being “North American” probably because of most of the”Visible Content”, but you’re in Fact Correct. It isn’t.

-- Richard (Ontario, CANADA)

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#33 posted 12-11-2011 12:59 PM

I have to confess I learnt something from Rick’s geography lesson. If you will allow me, I’ll add to the lesson.

United Kingdom = England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
Great Britain = England, Scotland and Wales
Britain = England and Wales

Now back to the topic:

I think on the face of it buying goods from your country of origin is a great ideal, but how realistic is it in practice nowadays? In the video, they managed to find all the components for the house build in North America, but would the same be true for every other product we buy?

There are many factors that influence the purchases we make as woodworkers. Factors such as personal taste, peer pressure, quality, design, price, durability, ease of use, etc. To give you an example, if I only wanted to buy hand planes made in the United Kingdom, I would have to buy from Clifton. They make good planes, but IMO they are too damn heavy. However, do you know what the real reason I don’t buy Clifton planes is? It is because they’re green and I don’t like green. Go figure.

What about people who are just getting into woodowrking or who do not have a lot of spare cash, do you or I have the right to tell them not to buy a Wood River or a Quangsheng plane because it is made in China?

How many woodworkers in North America own a Bad Axe or Lie Neilsen back saw or handsaw, the main component of which is Swedish steel? If you’re in the market for a good hand cut rasp, which one is at the top of your list – Nicholson (now made in Brazil), Gramercy (made in Pakistan) or Auriou (Made in France)? Is anyone making hand cut rasps in North America anymore? So what do you do when you need one? If you want a good set of new pig stickers (mortise chisels), you have to buy them from Tools for Working Wood because they are the only place in North America that sells them, but they are in fact made in England by Ray Iles. Would you not buy them because they were made in England?

Sorry for going on but this is an interesting subject (thanks Topa). I’m just saying that buying only from your country of origin isn’t that easy to do in practice no matter where you live.

-- Andy - Old Chinese proverb says: "If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it."

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#34 posted 12-11-2011 02:30 PM

Another thing to consider is that if everyone in North America (or any other country) advocated and practiced only buying goods that were made in North America, wouldn’t it be grossly hypocritical to then try to export your goods to other nations? True, jobs would be created if you bought North American goods, but how many would be lost if you no longer exported those goods or imported goods from other nations?

-- Andy - Old Chinese proverb says: "If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it."

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#35 posted 12-11-2011 04:46 PM

I am sorry, but all this talk about NOT buying American because it would start a trade war, reminds me of the Texas Governor’s race back in 1990. Good ol’ boy Clayton Williams made a verbal gaff that, IMO, offers an analogy of the Free Trade vs Isolationism argument.

Clayton Williams comment during his campaign joked/likened Texas weather to rape:

”If it’s inevitable, just relax and enjoy it.”

I think this applies very closely to the financial/job “rape” of America by the rich 1% and corporate crowd. America has been and is being raped and we are supposed to just relax and enjoy it ?

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#36 posted 12-11-2011 06:42 PM

My comment was pointed to access to and participation of the largest economic engine in the world being primary factor in the success of this site. Some of our states rank in the top 10 largest economies in the world.

Geography be what it is, but when the immigrants of the world say they want to come to “America”, they are not talking about Canada, Mexico or South America. :-)

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#37 posted 12-11-2011 06:55 PM

Oh Boy,
Let’s not turn this into another “Do we need a new President?” forum.

Let’s trade ideas on where, what alternatives to purchasing American products.

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#38 posted 12-11-2011 07:34 PM

Wow…......thanks for the post, very interesting as well as the ensuing commentaries.

After reading through them and feeling there is truth and value in most of them I’m left feeling a bit like Delmar from “Oh Brother Where Are Thou” and will quote him at this time:

“OK…......I’m with you fellas.”

-- Dreaming of the day I might joint two pieces of wood square..........

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#39 posted 12-11-2011 09:05 PM

Jim, why on earth do YOU want to argue? I suppose you don’t see that all the jobs that have left the USA are a result of the politics of BIG BUSINESS and the Congress they can buy?

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#40 posted 12-11-2011 09:10 PM

10-4 Topa, on why come to the United States of America in the first place.

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#41 posted 12-11-2011 09:28 PM

More reason to consider “Buy in America” practices. While I do NOT advocate a complete (100%) Made in America policy, I DO think that each consumer needs to KNOW WHERE THEIR GOODS COME FROM and make adjustments to balance that trade relationship accordingly.

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#42 posted 12-11-2011 09:31 PM

Up until the ‘70s Chicago was the industrial capital of the world. Now look at Chicago, the steel mills are almost all closed. Most manufacturing has been moved overseas. The US lost its edge when we decided it was more important to make billions rather than millions. How much money does one person need.
Not everyhting you buy will be 100% American, some of the raw materials will have to be imported, that is just a fact of industrialism. We dont have all the natural resources needed to meet the manufacturing needs.
A perfect example is in the middle east one of the largest imports is sand, thats right sand. You would think they have plenty over there since its al desert, well the sand over there is not of a high enough quality to make concrete for building.
You will find it ALMOST impossible to buy 100% American made, some items just are not produced here.

-- Chief Petty Officer USN(RET) 1991-2011

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#43 posted 12-11-2011 09:35 PM

Most of my ancestors were Englishman after they got here. Hans Michael, as a single man of age, even had to swear allegiance to the King in September of 1728 because there were too many Germans coming into PA. They weren’t too worried about the married guys for some reason. We were definitely Americans after the War ;-))

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#44 posted 12-12-2011 02:31 AM

”access to and participation of the largest economic engine in the world being primary factor in the success of this site”.

“when the immigrants of the world say they want to come to “America”, they are not talking about Canada”

I beg to differ on these points.

The success of this site has nothing to do with the first statement. The success of this site has to do with the generous nature of woodworkers in general, from all over the world. You outnumber us for reasons that Brit and Rick have made clear, but there is certainly no virtue in being an “American”.

I try to buy quality, wherever it is made. Quality rewards itself, no matter the country, and it always benefits us too.

As to the second point, come to Toronto, where I live, and take a look around.
This is from the City of Toronto’s website:

“Diversity of race, religion and lifestyle help define and set Toronto apart from other world cities. Toronto is home to virtually all of the world’s culture groups and is the city where more than 100 languages and dialects are spoken.

Between 2001 and 2005, the Toronto CMA attracted an average of 107,000 international immigrants each year, The City of Toronto welcomed two thirds (69,000). As well, 10,738 foreign students chose to study in Toronto originating from countries including South Korea, Japan, China and India.

Almost three-quarters of Torontonians aged 15 or older have direct ties to immigration. About one-half (52%) are themselves immigrants while another 22% are 2nd generation immigrants with at least one parent born outside of Canada. The remaining 26% of the Toronto population (aged 15 or older) is comprised of individuals who were born in Canada to two Canadian-born parents”.

This is from a country 1/10th the size of the USA. Scale it up.

The greed, selfishness and mean spirited attitude of your 1% and politicians have painted you into a corner that you may never recover from. Unfortunately, you will take everyone with you.
Buying “Made In America” may help for a while but it is not the answer.

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#45 posted 12-12-2011 03:13 AM

There is little doubt the leeches have nearly bled us, U.S., dry ;-((

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#46 posted 12-12-2011 03:35 AM

…...................all the jobs that have left the USA are a result of the politics of BIG BUSINESS and the Congress they can buy?

And here I thought that it also resulted from the high cost of doing business in the U.S. Things like expensive labor and the cost of complying with government regulation.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#47 posted 12-12-2011 03:43 AM

It has more to do with the wide open market access we gave and give the whole wide world.

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#48 posted 12-12-2011 04:01 AM

Sawkerf: And here I thought that it also resulted from the high cost of doing business in the U.S. Things like expensive labor and the cost of complying with government regulation.

Uh… the high costs come from the unlimited CEO (one person) compensation packages in the HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of DOLLARS PER YEAR, not the cost of real labor (thousands or TENS of thousands of employees). Doah!

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#49 posted 12-12-2011 05:07 AM

Mike -
So if the CEO’s didn’t make those “hundreds of millions of dollars per year”, all would be well? You gotta be kidding. Executive compensation is certainly high – even exorbitant in some cases – but it pales when compared to labor and regulatory compliance costs.

I almost envy you, man. Your world is such a simple place. – lol

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#50 posted 12-13-2011 04:11 AM

Sawkerf: I almost envy you, man. Your world is such a simple place. – lol

So YOU justify HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IN COMPENSATION FOR ONE CEO? You really are a piece of cake. No laughing here, just tears for you…

NO man can work THAT hard to earn hundreds of millions PER year. Especially when you bitch about ”the price of labor”. You have to be out of your mind… Just sayin’...

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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