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Work bench smack down

by Newage Neanderthal
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#17951 posted 07-26-2017 08:55 PM

Great bench David. It will serve you well.

-- "The only limits to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today." - FDR

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#17952 posted 07-26-2017 10:14 PM

Nice bench David!

-- -Tim Royal -"Pride makes us artificial and humility makes us real." -Thomas Merton

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#17953 posted 07-31-2017 11:36 PM

Hello folks
Need help and advice.
Finally got my hands on some yellow pine
And I want to build a roubo style workbench
What I would like
Is to have the leg vise and the crisscross
And I would like to use a Wilton vise at the other end as a end vise and use it for other stuff too .
So far my wood is staying true and straight and dry or it’s done moving for a now,.
She’s just just of 1-1/2 wide and 5-1/4 high and 8’ -1/4” long
And my dream to get 8’ and 2’ wide
And would like to have a square dogs or what do you guys recommend
And I would like to have a planing stop also,.
Any thoughts?
Here’s a dry practice to see how much clamp I would need to glue up a 13” wide

And also any thoughts on a split top?

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#17954 posted 08-01-2017 01:47 AM

A roubo style bench would not have dog holes.
If you use round dog holes, then you can use them as dog holes or hold fast holes.

-- Don K, (Holland, Michigan)

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onoitsmatt

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#17955 posted 08-01-2017 02:27 AM

+1 to what Don said. I love my holdfasts.

-- Matt - Phoenix, AZ

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#17956 posted 08-03-2017 06:09 AM

Okay, time to throw my hat into the ring since I just flattened my workbench last week. This may not be the fanciest bench in this thread, but I absolutely love using it! It’s heavy enough that it never budges when I am planing or doing other work on it, and I can hold anything (especially now that I have a Wonder Dog clamp). The two stretchers allow me to support larger pieces without having to make a sliding deadman (the carriage bolts are countersunk so that they are well below the surface and don’t interfere with clamping).

Here is the link to my project page for the bench: http://lumberjocks.com/projects/229850

The bench is a hybrid of the $175 workbench, the Heavy Duty Workbench, and the Roubo (the legs are flush with the front of the bench top).

Incidentally, my wife named the bench about a month ago when walnut danish oil leaked all over the top while I was experimenting with finishes. She came out, saw the bench, turned to me, and said, “What did you do to Sylvia?! She was so pretty!” Evidently, she had had the name in her head for quite a while before that. The name stuck.

So here is Sylvia after 2 years of abuse and a fresh flattening of the top:

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#17957 posted 08-03-2017 10:42 AM

Nice I like that middle stretcher idea … particularly if it works for you.

-- Don K, (Holland, Michigan)

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#17958 posted 08-03-2017 11:44 AM

Super sturdy! You’ll certainly enjoy it I’m quite sure. No end vise? Reason.

-- Russell Pitner Hixson, TN 37343 [email protected]

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#17959 posted 08-03-2017 01:12 PM



Super sturdy! You ll certainly enjoy it I m quite sure. No end vise? Reason.

- Handtooler

My guess is the wonder dog probably handles that.

-- Nick, “I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it.” – Vincent Van Gogh

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#17960 posted 08-03-2017 07:04 PM


Super sturdy! You ll certainly enjoy it I m quite sure. No end vise? Reason.

- Handtooler

My guess is the wonder dog probably handles that.

- UpstateNYdude

That is correct, Nick. Also, since the right side of the bench is next to the door to the garage, a tail vise would probably be a hazard for people entering and leaving the garage.

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#17961 posted 08-03-2017 07:50 PM

I’m going to start a bench build some century, and I’m not really sold on tail vises yet as Schwarz seems to like just using a holdfast and doe’s foot, this by no means is taking the vise out of the question, but makes me wonder if I really “need” a tail vise.

-- Nick, “I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it.” – Vincent Van Gogh

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#17962 posted 08-03-2017 08:23 PM

The simpler answer is that with holdfasts you need neither a face vise nor a tail vise nor bench dogs. I like and use all of them, but Mike Siemens “Naked Woodworker” shows you how to use the bench with holdfasts alone.

-- -Tim Royal -"Pride makes us artificial and humility makes us real." -Thomas Merton

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#17963 posted 08-03-2017 08:37 PM

Yeah, but if your trying to plane a 5-6’ board and fumbling to get a holdfast on it while you hold it to the bench is a pain, the leg vise or similar is a large hassle to live without IMO, the tail vise isn’t as big a deal, as most of it’s dealings are on top of the bench.

-- Nick, “I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it.” – Vincent Van Gogh

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#17964 posted 08-03-2017 08:47 PM

Let me start by admitting that I have never worked on a bench without a vice. Still I find it difficult to imagine being able to work all 6 sides of a board, let alone assembled parts, without some sort of vice, of which the Veritas adj. dogs seems to be the minimal solution. How do you work on the face of a board when you have a holdfast on it? I work on a traditional, home made scandanavian bench and routinely place boards & parts between the dogs and tighten with the tail vice. The opening in the tail vice mostly gets used for planing draw sides and most everything else goes into the shoulder vice. I can certainly see how a good twin screw or Hovarter face vice could match my shoulder vice for working edges and ends, although a twin screw vice doesn’t look as useful for working the edges of wide boards as a shoulder or leg vice.

Michael

-- michael

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#17965 posted 08-03-2017 08:54 PM

I had an end vise on my old bench. That was the only vise I ever had so I used it A LOT. When I built my new bench, I looked at all the options but, fact-is, I used the heck out of that vise and know how well it works for me. So I moved it over to my new bench. Also added a leg vise which I’m falling madly in love with. IMHO, it all comes down to personal preference, what kind of work you do and what tools you use to do it with.

-- I collect hobbies. There is no sense in limiting yourself (Don W) - - - - - - - - Kenny in SW VA

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#17966 posted 08-03-2017 08:55 PM



How do you work on the face of a board when you have a holdfast on it?

Michael

- MagicalMichael

Plane stop and a Doe’s foot

-- Nick, “I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it.” – Vincent Van Gogh

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#17967 posted 08-03-2017 08:58 PM

A Crochet and a leg vise tend to work together on the longer board..

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#17968 posted 08-03-2017 09:30 PM

I started with just a wonder dog and it was fine for a while. Then I stumbled across an end vise I wanted to use; it’s pop up dog, along with a line of holes on the bench top, makes life much easier and work holding much more of a sure thing. And the wonder dog works along the front, when I want the workpiece more towards the left end of the bench. But for working the faces of stuff longer than 4’, my first choice is the dog and end vise combo.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. - OldTools Archive -

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#17969 posted 08-04-2017 02:23 AM

An end vise would certainly make some things easier (the wonder dog’s pole sits a bit too high above the bench to be entirely out of the way if I am planing thin stock). However, I often use the right edge of my bench for sawing stuff, and a vise right there would get in the way. That combined with the layout of my garage make an end vise a poor fit for my particular bench.

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#17970 posted 08-04-2017 04:03 PM



An end vise would certainly make some things easier (the wonder dog s pole sits a bit too high above the bench to be entirely out of the way if I am planing thin stock). However, I often use the right edge of my bench for sawing stuff, and a vise right there would get in the way. That combined with the layout of my garage make an end vise a poor fit for my particular bench.

- Vindex

This makes sense. Reminds me of my salad days with IBM, back when mainframes ruled. We had an algorithm to determine the largest computer for any customer. It was FTD – Fits Through Door.


-- michael

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#17971 posted 08-07-2017 04:20 PM

Mike Siemsen: work holding without a vise

Paul Sellers has a” clamp in the vise ” system.

drawers and carcasses:

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#17972 posted 08-18-2017 09:41 AM

Let start with the mandatory picture

It was too hot to wear the checked shirt and I have no blue wig.

It is a Paul Sellers type workbench.

It is full of tear-out
- because of my lack of skill, and
- this pine is full of knots with grain reversing everywhere.

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#17973 posted 08-18-2017 11:47 AM

Well done, Sylvain. Looks like a handy bench. Wish my walls were white!

DanK

-- Dan Krager, Olney IL http://www.kragerwoodworking.weebly.com All my life I've wanted to be someone. I see now I should have been more specific.

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#17974 posted 08-18-2017 12:07 PM

Good show Sylvain, like the braces!

-- "With every tool obtained, there is another that is needed" DonW ( Kevin )

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#17975 posted 08-18-2017 02:10 PM

I had been contemplating making a workbench for much too long.
Last year, the son found some wood in the Attic of his house:

5 pieces of 47X75mm 3m long rough sawn.
As Wickes has stopped operation in continental Europe in 1997, this lumber had spent at least 19 years in the attic.

I thought; it must be dry.
I had also in my basement boards (about 100X30mm) from a picnic bench which was replaced because one of the feet was rotten but otherwise those boards were sound.
I had also 4 pieces of construction grade wood for the feet collected on the street (left by contractors replacing tramway line, sewage refection, etc.

So I started transforming rough sawn rafters in planed ones.
They were free but knotty and twisted.

Until now I had no workshop so I could only work in the backyard when the weather was fine.
Then I had some Honey-do and the work was stalled.
I started again this June.

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#17976 posted 08-18-2017 04:20 PM

Yes, the Honey-do list must be considered. I consider it from 9:00pm to 9:03pm every Saturday night.

DanK

-- Dan Krager, Olney IL http://www.kragerwoodworking.weebly.com All my life I've wanted to be someone. I see now I should have been more specific.

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#17977 posted 08-18-2017 05:13 PM

Some of it was woodworking related.

This was the opportunity to work in the living room without the hint of a complaint.

modifying a door to add a rail and a raised panel:

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#17978 posted 08-18-2017 05:26 PM

Rotate the pic to desired orientation and then crop it (even the slightest amount) and the software somehow is able to figure out which end is up.

-- Matt -- I yam what I yam and that's all what I yam

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#17979 posted 08-18-2017 05:45 PM

Edited
rotated, saved, rotated back, saved again. Now OK
Thanks

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#17980 posted 08-18-2017 06:20 PM

Ok folks I have a question.
It’s just a pine bench what do guys recommend paint or stain the base and legs of the bench?
And was hopping for like a faded look
Either a green or red flat color

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#17981 posted 08-18-2017 07:19 PM

Mine is not as fine as yours, I definitively will paint the aprons and legs.

I am hesitating between grey-green and “lie de vin” , a colour used by Ralph “the accidental woodworker” on his last shop cabinet.

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#17982 posted 08-18-2017 07:22 PM

I used to be a snob about paint on a workbench… Now I really like the look! Go for it!


Ok folks I have a question.
It s just a pine bench what do guys recommend paint or stain the base and legs of the bench?
And was hopping for like a faded look
Either a green or red flat color

- August McCormick Lehman III


-- -Tim Royal -"Pride makes us artificial and humility makes us real." -Thomas Merton

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#17983 posted 08-18-2017 08:33 PM

Thanks Sylvian
Thanks Tim
What would the name of the paint be?
I’m looking for a vintage or almost faded style?
Thanks folks

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#17984 posted 08-18-2017 08:49 PM

Milk paint…

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#17985 posted 08-19-2017 12:37 PM

Having cut the 3m piece in 2, I had 4 of them straight enough ( I thought) to be glued.
I then glued 3 of them.

I then cut one of the twisted board in 3 and untwisted one face of each part.
I glued the 3 parts, made them flush wit the first 3 ones and squared and straigthened the edge (untwisting the other face.
I then glued the 4th good board, making the top flush and making the new edge of the slab straight and square.
Then I cut another twisted board in two and repeated what I had done with the one cut in 3.

I the flattened more or less this first slab and used it to have a longer and heavier workbench on top of the workmate.

I have been hesitating to pursue this and finally decided that it would give me a top narrower then I first was aiming for but wide enough.

testing for twist and flattening the slab:

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#17986 posted 08-19-2017 12:38 PM

I realize I didn’t thanked Dan and Kevin for their first comment.
Better later than never.
Thanks Dan and Kevin for your kind words.

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#17987 posted 08-19-2017 02:09 PM

Sylvain that’s my next step is to try to get the slab co planner ? To one another I don’t if that’s how is spelled

Thanks Bandit for the name of the paint also
I hope my menards or home depot has that

I like the grey color too

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#17988 posted 08-19-2017 04:54 PM

That would also be my choice


Milk paint…

- bandit571


-- -Tim Royal -"Pride makes us artificial and humility makes us real." -Thomas Merton

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#17989 posted 08-19-2017 06:58 PM

Next step
Turning the rough sawn legs into S4S.

Chopping through mortises.

The first one was good. During the chopping of the second one I realiized that the two halves would not meet in the middle so I planed a scrap with a right angle to serve as a guide.

No picture of rail and tenon making.

Gluing the first leg frame:

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#17990 posted 08-20-2017 03:04 AM

Thanks for advice folks I love it

-- https://photos.google.com/b/114897950873317692653/

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#17991 posted 08-20-2017 04:03 AM

$2 addition to the Dungeon Shop Bench..

Bought “New in bag” at a yard sale

I did have to provide a LED bulb, though..

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#17992 posted 08-20-2017 06:40 AM

Up on 4 Feet. , I’m about to the 3/4 mark on my build,

-- "Tying shoelaces was way harder than learning to Whistle"

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#17993 posted 08-20-2017 07:57 AM

Nice shade of grey August.
Grey is supposed to foster concentration.
Except his recycled lumber bench, all Paul Sellers benches are grey.

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#17994 posted 08-20-2017 08:01 AM

TurtleCarpenter, this is a neat workbench.

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#17995 posted 08-21-2017 01:01 AM

Looking great bruh! Hope you warned those shop dogs about the dire consequences of leg lifting!


Thanks for advice folks I love it

- August McCormick Lehman III


-- -Tim Royal -"Pride makes us artificial and humility makes us real." -Thomas Merton

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#17996 posted 08-21-2017 01:08 AM

Looking beautiful!


Up on 4 Feet. , I m about to the 3/4 mark on my build,

- TheTurtleCarpenter


-- -Tim Royal -"Pride makes us artificial and humility makes us real." -Thomas Merton

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#17997 posted 08-21-2017 02:21 AM

Thanks sylvain
Your right after google reasearch I saw it
And I’m glad I listen to you thanks

Thansk Tim
Here you can see what’s happening

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#17998 posted 08-21-2017 02:39 AM

I like the paint, Auggie. Bench is looking great. And the awesome thing about milk paint in my opinion is the more beat up it gets the better it looks

-- I came - I sawed - I over-built

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#17999 posted 08-21-2017 03:08 AM

Thanks Todd
In some way I wish I never knew about the milk paint,.
Now I have all this crazy ideas now LOl

I wish there is a way to upload short videos here
Anyway legvise works great it travel as
Fast
As the benchcrafted,
Love the crisscross though

-- https://photos.google.com/b/114897950873317692653/

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#18000 posted 08-21-2017 12:09 PM

Dry fit of second leg frame.
Oops, the mortise haunch is on the wrong side!
The bark side would compromise the working of the wedge which ensure no raking.

plugging the mortise haunch (before doing it on the other side)

I have no picture about gluing the apron boards nor about making the dadoes/housing

Gluing the top to the front apron

A la Paul Sellers touch:

(it is about the tenon)

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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