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Saws, using collecting, cleaning and buying

by Don W
posted 06-26-2011 01:17 AM


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#8551 posted 11-08-2014 03:55 PM

Todd, I REALLY like your tills. That picture struck me as AWESOME. Great use of recycled timber. Ive got some nice boxes, but I’m still a little green.
DanK

-- Dan Krager, Olney IL http://www.kragerwoodworking.weebly.com All my life I've wanted to be someone. I see now I should have been more specific.

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#8552 posted 11-08-2014 04:22 PM

Thanks, Dan

-- I came - I sawed - I over-built

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#8553 posted 11-08-2014 05:34 PM



Todd, I REALLY like your tills. That picture struck me as AWESOME. Great use of recycled timber. Ive got some nice boxes, but I m still a little green.
DanK

- Dan Krager

+2 to this. They really came out nice.

-- http://timetestedtools.net - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#8554 posted 11-08-2014 08:21 PM

Finished up part of my kids Christmas present for this year today. It turned out better than I had hoped really.

Click for details

-- Eric - "I'm getting proficient with these hand jobbers. - BigRedKnothead"

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#8555 posted 11-08-2014 08:39 PM

AF, Nice little saw for the lil man! I had a wooden workbench when I was a kid. It had holes in it for “pegs” and I had with it some toddler sized tools that were just as cool as my old mans. Surprised that I can remember that, as I was really young at the time. Hope that your creations create a fond love for wood working as my father did for me.

-- Rob - Indianapolis IN - Learning... one mistake at a time...

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#8556 posted 11-08-2014 09:57 PM

AF if your son doesn’t appreciate all of this just know that your are my role model.

-- I came - I sawed - I over-built

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#8557 posted 11-09-2014 04:02 AM

Thanks guys. Todd – if he doesn’t appreciate it I can always sell them to Red.. they are about the right size for him I think ;-)

-- Eric - "I'm getting proficient with these hand jobbers. - BigRedKnothead"

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#8558 posted 11-09-2014 05:49 AM

Got this one ready to rock tonight. I need to fix the horn and give it a quick sharpening and it’s good to go. Got it from my Grandfather after he passed away this spring.

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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#8559 posted 11-09-2014 03:25 PM

Sorry about your Grandfather passing, Mos, it happens to the best of us, huh?

Lovely No.7? One of my favs…you’re blessed to have one related to you! :)

FWIW, I stole a 2×5 about 6 feet long from the barn yesterday, while watering the pigs. Looks like white oak…goodness the nails they used around 1900 were serious nails! I think I may sink them in ER, and see if they can be reclaimed, too? It’s not enough for a saw till, but there’s another…

-- tr ...see one, do one, teach one...

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#8560 posted 11-09-2014 03:50 PM

Mos, sorry to hear about your grandpa. May you recall treasured memories of him every time you use his saw.

I have a No. 7 like that and LOVE it. It’s beefy enough to tackle all your sawing chores while the handle and hang give you nimble control over the beast.

-- "People's lives are their own rewards or punishments."

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#8561 posted 11-09-2014 04:02 PM

Mos, every time you use the saw you’ll remember him. To my mind it’s the best memorial to a craftsman. Wonderful saw.

-- "With every tool obtained, there is another that is needed" DonW ( Kevin )

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#8562 posted 11-09-2014 08:12 PM

Thanks guys. I don’t recall my grandfather on that side being big into woodworking, though. I’ll have to talk to my dad about it, but as long as I remember he wasn’t. I will have to get a picture of a table he made for my grandma while he was deployed in Korea next time I’m at my parents’ house (drafted 2 weeks after they got married… bummer!).

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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#8563 posted 11-09-2014 11:58 PM

This gentleman’s saw will make you laugh. 5tpi and in good working order apparently. :o)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-WARD-PAYNE-SAW-/171536351166?pt=UK_Collectable_ToolsHasdware_RL&hash=item27f05cffbe

-- Andy - Old Chinese proverb says: "If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it."

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#8564 posted 11-10-2014 12:24 AM

Yep, made me laugh. I’d like to see that gentleman. He must be on the “course” side.

Andy, you need to buy that saw. Doesn’t it just scream “fix me!”

-- Bob, Missoula, MT -- Rocky Mountain Saw Works http://www.rmsaws.com/p/about-us.html -- ~Non multa sed multum~

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#8565 posted 11-10-2014 12:34 AM

Jeeze! It looked like sharks teeth on the little gents saw!

-- Richard, Hot Springs, Ar -- Galoot In Training

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#8566 posted 11-10-2014 01:53 AM

Andy, you need to buy that saw. Doesn t it just scream “fix me!”

- summerfi

By the time you fix it, it MIGHT get 1/2” cutting depth.

-- The quality of one's woodworking is directly related to the amount of flannel worn.

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#8567 posted 11-10-2014 05:04 AM

Anybody? CL

-- "With every tool obtained, there is another that is needed" DonW ( Kevin )

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#8568 posted 11-10-2014 02:01 PM

^yeah, OK, I’ll take the lumber…

Kevin, can you deliver? Or can you let me camp in your back yard one night?

LOL

-- tr ...see one, do one, teach one...

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#8569 posted 11-10-2014 02:11 PM

I want the workbench.


Anybody? CL

- theoldfart


-- Power to the people.

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#8570 posted 11-10-2014 05:41 PM

Have two regular saws IN the Tool Chest #2
Have four panel saws and a backsaw in Tool Chest #1
Have four upstairs, awaiting a photo shoot to put them on Fee-Bay
and, I do have a saw till, of sorts

Might have a few too many?

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#8571 posted 11-10-2014 06:53 PM



I want the workbench.

- ErikF

That’s what I was thinking too, that bench looks pretty sweet.

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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#8572 posted 11-11-2014 02:10 PM

A shop find, ten bux with a 3” C clamp thrown in.

Of course the green stuff had to go along with the rust, but what a battle ! Must have been some tough lead based enamel from the 50s or 60s.

That’s after 4 go rounds with paint stripper, scraper just dulled the gloss on the paint, sandpaper, even my drill press with a coarse flap wheel wasn’t much good.

Still need a touch of alignment on the frame, but the handles oiled n’ waxed and the pinned jr hacksaw blade it came with replaced with an actual fret saw blade

-- Glen, B.C. Canada

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#8573 posted 11-11-2014 02:58 PM

That looks like an old one Glen. German made?

-- Bob, Missoula, MT -- Rocky Mountain Saw Works http://www.rmsaws.com/p/about-us.html -- ~Non multa sed multum~

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#8574 posted 11-11-2014 05:30 PM

Can’t find any makers mark Bob, the only marks are on the individual parts of the frame and the blocks that hold the blade in.
They’re a number 3 folowed by a “C” that’s a tad stylized.

-- Glen, B.C. Canada

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#8575 posted 11-11-2014 11:02 PM

Old Disston backsaw

I have some questions on an old backsaw, I thought I would come to where the experts are and maybe someone can help me.

I was looking at getting a bad axe dovetail saw, I got sticker shock and dug out this old disston.My dad used it in a wooden mitre box. He always told me it was his grandfathers, i’m thinking now that it may predate him. I got on the Dissiton institute today and I kind of dated it to 1840…I may be wrong.

Someone in the past crudely made a new handle, then someone must have broke the crudely made handle and filled it with plastic wood!!! Dad!!! then painted it with black latex paint…Dad!!!
So my question is should I put forth the effort to fix this up, get the teeth re ground, make a new handle or would I be better off getting that bad axe? also, any info on the model number, age or any info at all will be appreciated.

blade length is 14” hard to tell on the teeth 10-12 tpi

2 eagles, cast steel

no medallion and crude handle homemade?

split nuts with plastic wood and latex paint

slight bend, really not as bad as pic looks

so is there any hope for this relic,
thanks for any info

-- Putty

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#8576 posted 11-11-2014 11:05 PM

fix it up!!

-- http://timetestedtools.net - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#8577 posted 11-11-2014 11:10 PM

I’d think it’s worth fixing up. You can make a new tote using a template from TGIAG. Sharpening can either be learned or outsourced—if you can find someone that sharpens handsaws, it usually is not that expensive.

The only real concern is what needs done to correct the wavy/bent plate. A lot of times for backsaws, it means the saw just needs re-tensioned, which is very easy to do as well. I’d start there. See if you can get the plate straightened out before spending the time and money on the rest. If so, then you would have a very good saw with family history for something like $40. Even if the plate needs a little more work than just tensioning, it’s still easily salvageable.

-- https://www.jtplaneworks.com - In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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#8578 posted 11-11-2014 11:33 PM

thanks Don and Jay,

I saw that Bad Axe has a sharpening service that seems pretty reasonable. I will contact them. I favorite the TGIAG site and will make a new tote. It will be a fun project.

if the bends don’t come out with re-tensioning can they be hammered out? if not I guess I could always get a new sawplate and the rest of the saw…still some family history there.

I have saw vises, saw sets and files that were passed down to me also, it may be fun to learn sharpening!

-- Putty

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putty

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#8579 posted 11-11-2014 11:34 PM

thanks Don and Jay,

I saw that Bad Axe has a sharpening service that seems pretty reasonable. I will contact them. I favorite the TGIAG site and will make a new tote. It will be a fun project.

if the bends don’t come out with re-tensioning can they be hammered out? if not I guess I could always get a new sawplate and use the rest of the saw…still some family history there.

I have saw vises, saw sets and files that were passed down to me also, it may be fun to learn sharpening!

-- Putty

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Don W

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#8580 posted 11-11-2014 11:59 PM

Putty, there are several guys here who also sharpen.

-- http://timetestedtools.net - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#8581 posted 11-12-2014 12:14 AM

^And there are a few guys here who could probably throw a new or refurbished saw your way for about $75…forget about that Bad Axe until retirement! :)

Speaking of sharpening…

I had a few moments to kill, so wasted some more steel this afternoon…results were much better now that I know how to set the silly file holder. :)

Still, that Veritas holder doesn’t want to lock down onto a single rake angle for me. I must be changing the angle as I violently force the file forward…gotta try to find a rhythm IMO. I even wore down the first 1/4” of my file’s edge from over exertion, I guess?

Once I realized the Veritas was changing rake, I started over on the next few dozen teeth to the left. This time, I tried to ease up on the file, and constantly checked the Veritas…

A little better, I think? Lots of variables to control at once. The Force must be focused…and caffeine levels must be hightened! :) More practice…

Is my plate sticking out of the vise too far? My file just wants to grab the steel or skate across it…hard to find the in between…

-- tr ...see one, do one, teach one...

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#8582 posted 11-12-2014 12:32 AM

Terry, it sounds like you are using way to much pressure. Relax, and use just a slight downward pressure.

-- http://timetestedtools.net - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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summerfi

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#8583 posted 11-12-2014 12:53 AM

Terry, that’s a way big improvement on the first attempt. Props for that. It does sound like you may be using too much down pressure on your file. It takes some pressure, but not extreme. I don’t have a fancy rake gauge like your Veritas; I just use a block of wood and it works very well. If the Veritas continues to be a problem, try the block method. I think you do have too much saw sticking out of your vise. I like about 3/8”. That little thing on the end where you have the question mark, just file it off at the same angle as the next full tooth. I use a flat file for that. You’re making impressive progress. Keep up the good work.

-- Bob, Missoula, MT -- Rocky Mountain Saw Works http://www.rmsaws.com/p/about-us.html -- ~Non multa sed multum~

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#8584 posted 11-12-2014 01:02 AM

Thanks, guys! Maybe LESS caffeine? :)

Bob, you know, this afternoon, the fleam guide on that fancy jig wouldn’t stay put…and I’m not using it for rip…so I took it off! You may be right about just a block of wood, too. Maybe just freehand? You know I’ve done this before…just been 100 years.

-- tr ...see one, do one, teach one...

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Don W

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#8585 posted 11-12-2014 01:06 AM



You know I ve done this before…just been 100 years.

- terryR

So it’s not like riding a bike?

-- http://timetestedtools.net - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#8586 posted 11-12-2014 01:15 AM

Putty - Based on the maker’s stamp on your saw and the fact it has 3 split nut screws and no medallion, I agree it is an 1840’s Disston. That makes it a highly desirable and relatively valuable saw. It absolutely should be restored. I strongly recommend, though, that you restore it back to as close to original condition as possible. That includes a period correct handle rather than just a random handle template off a website. Disston saws of that period had handles very much like British saws. There are examples on the Disstonian Institute website.

The wavy saw plate is common on backsaws and is usually caused by uneven tension between the plate and the spine. The plate not being seated properly in the spine causes torsion that produces waves in the plate. The last thing you should do is start hammering on the plate to try to straighten it out. There are ways to fix this that are pretty simple once you understand the problem and solution, but it’s too involved to explain here briefly. Google “straightening a backsaw plate” or something similar and you will likely find some good advice. If not, PM me and I’ll try to help. If the plate cannot be straightened, however, then it’s not too hard to make a new plate.

As Don said, there are people here who can sharpen your saw for you. There are also people here who could do a complete restoration for you if you are hesitant to take it on yourself. It would take some time to do it right, but this rare and potentially valuable saw deserves it. Once restored to excellent condition, your Disston would be worth at least as much as, and probably more than, a Bad Axe saw. If you decide to do a restoration yourself, don’t hesitate to ask lots of questions here. We’re glad to help.

-- Bob, Missoula, MT -- Rocky Mountain Saw Works http://www.rmsaws.com/p/about-us.html -- ~Non multa sed multum~

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#8587 posted 11-12-2014 01:16 AM

Terry- I second the block of wood method…zero moving parts allows for very little error! Looking good though, teeth don’t have to be perfect to make good sawdust.


thanks Don and Jay,

I saw that Bad Axe has a sharpening service that seems pretty reasonable. I will contact them. I favorite the TGIAG site and will make a new tote. It will be a fun project.

if the bends don t come out with re-tensioning can they be hammered out? if not I guess I could always get a new sawplate and the rest of the saw…still some family history there.

I have saw vises, saw sets and files that were passed down to me also, it may be fun to learn sharpening!

- putty

Putty- Send me a message if you’re interested in a reasonable dovetail saw. I have a brand new one that has a little surface rust on the plate, I wiped it down with some WD-40 but I don’t really have any plans for it.

-- Power to the people.

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lateralus819

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#8588 posted 11-12-2014 02:29 AM

Anyone know who makes the white handled tenon saw in this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTfxOEq6qrA

It’s a thing of beauty!

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#8589 posted 11-12-2014 02:34 AM

I know two lawyers tools has made some holly handled saws, and perhaps ron bontz aswell? Bill anderson makes quite a bit of his own tools aswell so I wouldn’t be surprised if he made it himself.

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#8590 posted 11-12-2014 04:41 AM

I know the “Rob Cosman” saws can have white handles, but I don’t know that any of them are offered in closed tote though.

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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#8591 posted 11-12-2014 04:48 AM

Putty - Here is a link to a very good article on dating Disston backsaws. Comparing your saw’s stamp to those in the article, it appears most like saws #2, 4, and 5. This seems to date your saw to 1842 – 1844. The article also has very good pictures of what the handle would have originally looked like on your saw. You could use one of these pictures as a template to make a new handle.

-- Bob, Missoula, MT -- Rocky Mountain Saw Works http://www.rmsaws.com/p/about-us.html -- ~Non multa sed multum~

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#8592 posted 11-12-2014 01:41 PM

Good link, Bob.

putty, the reason I suggested TGIAG for templates is that they make them from scans of actual saw totes not just random designs. Doesn’t appear that they have one for that age of Disston, however. Looks like there are a couple in there that could be printed out for scale and drilling template and then hand sketch in the differences based on those pics of the same era Disstons.

-- https://www.jtplaneworks.com - In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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putty

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#8593 posted 11-12-2014 02:37 PM

thanks Bob,
I agree with the time frame, I was also looking at the location of the screw holes…a couple from that era line up with my saw, although mine are a little closer together. I assume they were all hand drilled or punched and there could be a variance. The one with the replacement handle closely match my screw layout. The author noted that it is the same as the original though.

Jay,
Thanks again, very good idea. get one that is somewhat close then modify the pattern. Another good tidbit from that website is that all early handles were apple except the open one which was beech.

-- Putty

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#8594 posted 11-12-2014 02:48 PM

Double eagle disston with family lineage … Amazing!

Youre doin good Terry. Youll get comfortable soon. That first stroke between teeth can be tough. It always wants to grab, hop and skip so ease up on the pressure until your file is moving smoothly through the teeth. Then you can lean on it a little bit more. Im a bit heavy handed myself but youll find your groove soon.

-- Its not a crack, its a casting imperfection.

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#8595 posted 11-12-2014 03:01 PM

Bob thanks for that link – helped me date the one I picked up a few months back.

It appears to have only been made for a year or so.

-- I came - I sawed - I over-built

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#8596 posted 11-12-2014 03:09 PM

And an inch worm! Total saw porn.

-- Its not a crack, its a casting imperfection.

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#8597 posted 11-12-2014 03:17 PM

That’s a nice saw Todd. One sons are hard to find.

-- Bob, Missoula, MT -- Rocky Mountain Saw Works http://www.rmsaws.com/p/about-us.html -- ~Non multa sed multum~

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#8598 posted 11-12-2014 03:30 PM

Thanks guys. I picked it up for $35 at tool swap this summer. I need to make a split nut driver to tighten ‘er up.

-- I came - I sawed - I over-built

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#8599 posted 11-14-2014 01:17 PM

I bought one of the Lee Valley saw file holders as well. I haven’t had a problem with it moving, but you can set the rake angle to either side and I chose the wrong side! I have slowly been retoothing the hand saw and got about 3/4 done and realized I set the rake the wrong way so the teeth slant in the opposite direction! (Toward the back instead of the front.) User error with the new gauge. Does anyone know if I can just file the teeth down a bit and start filing the correct rake in there, or do I have to start over completely?

-- "I am hiring a realtor if and when the day comes a lion is on my roof."

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#8600 posted 11-14-2014 03:07 PM

walden, that’s exactly what I did! Had the Veritas jig set to 8 degrees of rake…the wrong way!

I just jointed 1/3 of the ugly teeth off, and started again. NOT sure what the correct answer is, though. :( This whole plate I’m working is probably going to waste?

Wooden rake guide…check!

Set to 8 degrees or thereabouts…bollocks…it’s too tall to get within 3” of the saw! Must modify size.

Oh yeah, the angle labelled should read 82 degrees…not 8!

-- tr ...see one, do one, teach one...

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