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Avoiding kickback on a table saw??

by Kali2024
posted 05-15-2011 05:26 PM


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TheDane

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#1 posted 05-15-2011 05:31 PM

Check this out … http://www.popularwoodworking.com/articleindex/avoiding-table-saw-kickback

Be safe … and good luck!

—Gerry

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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SSMDad

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#2 posted 05-15-2011 05:54 PM

Good link. Two important tips. Use a pushblock to keep your hands away from the blade. Don’t stand directly behind the piece being milled so if there is kickback and the paws don’t stop it you won’t get hit. Oh and another is to art the blade height just above the wood thickness. Higher and it could burn or cause other issues.

Be safe and it is fun to use them. :)

Chris

-- Chris ~~Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

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matt garcia

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#3 posted 05-15-2011 06:01 PM

Make sure you’re rip fence is parallel to your saw blade, and miter slots. Make sure you have a sharp, saw pitch free blade. Stand to the opposite side of the blade where the stock goes against the fence.

-- Matt Garcia Wannabe Period Furniture Maker, Houston TX

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#4 posted 05-15-2011 06:58 PM

In addition to the other bits of good advice, be sure your TS has a splitter or riving knife installed behind the blade to prevent the work from closing on the blade and kicking back. The splitter/riving must also be extremely well aligned with the blade. The Microjig Grr-ripper is an excellent push block, but it won’t necessarily prevent kickback by itself. If the other safety rules are followed to prevent kickback, the Grr-ripper or other push block helps you maintain control of the workpiece. Use of a feather board is one other safety device you can use to reduce kickback.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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cut3times

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#5 posted 05-15-2011 07:06 PM

Kali, this is obvious, but, the kickback is caused because the off cut piece comes back into the blade after the cut. I have not installed the kickback pawls on my table saw. Instead I installed splitter inserts into the blade insert. The splitter keeps the pieces separated during and after the cut. The splitter needs to be the width of the blade or a hair thinner. You probably have one that came with your saw. The only kickback I get is when the off cut piece is very thin and air can lift it which is of no consequence since the piece is very thin.

Jerry

-- And Still Too Short - "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." John Lennon

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Loren

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#6 posted 05-15-2011 07:10 PM

When I first started out I bought a book about table saws. The tool
is fairly predictable when cutting woods if you understand the physics
of how it works and how to set it up for accuracy and safety.

I’m sure there are a lot of videos about table saw safety these days.

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jackass

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#7 posted 05-15-2011 07:54 PM

That sounds like quite an ambitious project for the first time on a table saw. I would suggest you find someone to show you how to use your new saw. I endured kickback years ago, not a nice feeling, also an acquaintence lost an eye to kickback. I’m not trying to frighten you, just make sure you know what you’re doing before you hit the switch. Good luck.
Jack

-- Jack Keefe Shediac NB Canada

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TheDane

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#8 posted 05-15-2011 07:55 PM

A good read that is loaded with great advice and tips (safety and otherwise) is Jim Tolpin’s Table Saw Magic ... you can find a used copy on Amazon.com for under $20.

—Gerry

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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lilredweldingrod

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#9 posted 05-15-2011 09:46 PM

Gee why would you want to prevent a kickback. It feels so good when it quits hurting. And when you get your breath back, the air turns this beautiful blue. I keep an 8 pound sledge next to my saw to readjust and modify the rip fence after each delightful kickback. It doesn’t seem to do much for the saw, but it makes me feel better. I hope you take this advice in the same spirit it was given. Rand lol

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#10 posted 05-15-2011 10:44 PM

Another good thing would be to make yourself a crosscut sled. While this won’t work for large pieces or sheet goods, they are great when cutting smaller pieces.

I think I saw in a previous post that this table saw is new for you. If that’s true, it would be a good idea to make sure that the saw is set up right. I use the A-Line it tool to set up my saw. A properly set up saw will ensure that the blade is parallel to the miter slots and fence.

Last suggestion would be to make or buy an outfeed table. An outfeed table will help provide a stable area off the back of the saw to support larger materials when ripping.

All of these lessons are ones I learned the hard way within the last month. I had a piece kickback on me, and hit me in the stomach. No major damage, just bruised my pride.

-- Sam

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brianlee

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#11 posted 05-16-2011 12:46 AM

You need to FULLY understand your table saw. READ THE MANUAL CAREFULLY. Calling the anti-kickback pawls “gripper thingies” means you didn’t do this. After you read the manual, read a couple of the suggested literatures mentioned in some of the above posts. Don’t want to sound harsh, but the table saw can be a very dangerous tool if you don’t have a clear understanding of how to use it correctly. And that can result in injuries that nobody here wants to read about later on. Better safe than sorry.

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wdwrkr

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#12 posted 05-16-2011 12:55 AM

Keep your eyes on the sharp, shiny, spinny things, and keep your fingers out of the way of them. It sucks when you get blood on a nice piece of wood.

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#13 posted 05-16-2011 01:42 AM

I have a digital book from Fine Woodworking, called, Tablesaw Methods of Work, Best Tips from 25 years of Fine Woodworking. It has a safety section. I would be happy to e-mail to you, to help get you started.
Just send me a PM with an e-mail address and I will send it to you, if you like

-- E J ------- Always Keep a Firm Grip on Your Tool

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Kali2024

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#14 posted 05-16-2011 02:54 AM

Thanks guys for the great advice. I did read the manual fully and followed it exactly- just forgot what the name of the “anti kickback pawls” when i was typing this. Anyhoo so far not a single scare. I had the hubs help me with the wood as i didnt have a a table- a must buy in the near future. These saws are so much more intimidating than miter saws-took me nearly two hours to get the balls to press the start button.

And btw what happens when youre holding an 8’ piece of lumber and something goes wrong and you can’t reach the damn off button??? You would think they would come out with some kind of foot pedal on/off cord thing to go along with the table button just in case…anyway.

Again, all the advice is much appreciated!

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bubinga

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#15 posted 05-18-2011 05:19 AM

If you have a saw stop just keep a weenie handy, and you can shut it down real quick.
Okay people don’t get mad ! It’s just a joke

-- E J ------- Always Keep a Firm Grip on Your Tool

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devann

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#16 posted 05-18-2011 05:59 AM

Kali, A bit off topic but before you run out and drop some big bucks on a tablesaw outfeed table search the site to get some ideas for one that you can build. I’ve seen some nice and simple ones that some of the LJs have made around here. It’ll be a good learning experience and will sharpen your woodworking skills and give you a useful project that makes you safer.

BTW, looking at your first project and reading how you want to do some home improvments I would recommend looking into one of those cross line lasers and a camera tripod. Get the laser that projects a “chalk line” both pumb and level. They are a little north of $100, but a real timesaver and easy to use. They’re great for framing lay out, tile lay out, trim lay out, hanging pictures, & setting cabinets…. Be sure to get one that is self leveling, you can find them at one of the big box hardware stores.

-- Darrell, making more sawdust than I know what to do with

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Bob Kollman

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#17 posted 05-21-2011 08:54 AM

The grip tight is a good way to avoid kick back.

The grip tight holds your stock to the fence. A kickback is usually caused at the end of the cut when
the back of the board is at the back of the table saw fence….the back corner of the board is bit into
the back corner of the blade ie the board tilts into the rotating blade. The grip tight works great assisting
the board to stay tight aginst the fence.

-- Bob Kenosha Wi.

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Loren

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#18 posted 05-21-2011 09:10 AM

If you get in trouble and you can’t reach the switch because it is
under a big sheet of ply or whatever, move quickly to the side out
of the path of kickback and let go of the work. The saw will or
will not kick back, but you’ll be out of the way.

I admit that this circumstance happens and has happened to me
many times. I hold on to the work long enough to get clear,
then let go and let things happen.

Ideally, you’d use hold-downs and featherboards for every cut, but
you’ll soon find they are sometimes impractical. The grip-tites
are great and overcome some of the issues of conventional featherboards – I use them lots. You can even get a steel face for your
rip fence and put the Grip-tites on it sideways. Done this way,
kickback may never happen to you.

I think the “Jimmie Jig” – a tablesaw fence and safety unit invented
by some carpenter – makes the tablesaw, especially the small ones,
much, much safer. The inventor really sees the issues clearly and
came up with a very sensible solution.

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