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Thinking about getting a Miter Trimmer

by awsum55
posted 03-07-2021 07:47 PM


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AMZ

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#1 posted 03-07-2021 07:57 PM

I have a Lion miter trimmer and not consider selling it. Is it essential? No. Do I use it all the time? No.

As far as sharpening the blades, the are quite large, and I would be wary of sharpening on a powered source. However, the large size makes them quite easy to do on a granite plate or on glass, using silicon carbide paper. Just be careful, as they are quite easy to get cut on.

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Loren

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#2 posted 03-07-2021 08:26 PM

I have one. They aren’t perfect. I haven’t used it in a long time because I don’t do a lot of mitering, but as I recall if you don’t have enough “meat” on the cutoff side, the blade can push the work back a little. It can cut a very clean miter, cleaner than sawn, but it doesn’t do the same trick you can do with a miter saw of positioning the work abutting the blade plate, starting the saw and cutting off the thickness of carbide on the side of the saw blade.

Maybe somebody knows how to make the miter trimmer do a comparable trim but I don’t know it.

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tvrgeek

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#3 posted 03-07-2021 08:32 PM

Bought the Griz clone of the Lyon. Could not find a real one that was not worn out. It took a lot of fiddling, but eventually I got it dead on. I use it for picture frames. It has it’s limits, especially when trying to get that last 1/128th or so. But 1000 times better than the freaking miter saw! I wil see when I get the new TS set up if I can do better on a sled.

I suspect a real one would have less play in the ways, but the only two I have come across were obviously worn out. I also think some sort of clamping would help the last transparent shave.

Only done my blades once. Used paper and a glass plate. I might make a jig.

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Fred Hargis

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#4 posted 03-07-2021 08:43 PM

I have a Dosch, they were an American made copy of the Lion and truthfully I don’t think there is any difference. You may have read that it’s better to buy a new one…all I can say I think whoever wrote that is full of chit. The old Lion and Dosch trimmers are so well made it’s hard to imagine anyone wearing one out. That said, they aren’t made anymore so findg one is usually a search on the used market . There just aren’t that many that so up, at least not when I was looking for one. I suspect most of the Asian imports as quite capable, and that may be what you have to get. Like you pointed out, it would be less expensive. But while these things work really well, they are hardly a must have tool. Maybe if you did framing for a source of income they would see a lot of use, but it’s hard to imagine them being “must have” in a hobbyist shop. If you sharpen the trimmer blades on a Tormek, they suggest using the planer blade jig (IIRC).

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#5 posted 03-07-2021 09:54 PM

How about a shooting board? They can be made for 45 and 90 degrees, maybe a 45 bevel? Just a thought…

-- You can lead a horse to water, but you can't tie his shoes. Blaze Foley

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#6 posted 03-07-2021 10:06 PM

It seems that there is little advantage to buying used when the asking price plus shipping is more than new.

Fred, I have been making boxes mostly and it seems that I have miters on just about everything I build. My last 10 items (some not posted yet) have been multi-sided items with trim, so I must have about 20 miters at least in most things I make.

hairy, I have built a shooting board and have tried using it on several projects, but I don’t have the correct plane or technique to be successful. I have tried several things to improve my result, but they all haven’t worked. I don’t think I have the patience to keep at it until I succeed. My plane is either a #4 or#5 and the handle is too small for my meat hooks. I’ll have to take a few pictures to show you what I’ve tried and I bet it will make you laugh. I have finally given up trying to get a good result.

-- John D, OP, KS

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#7 posted 03-07-2021 11:09 PM

I have a lion, its ok. I keep meaning to buy a morso.

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#8 posted 03-07-2021 11:22 PM



How about a shooting board? They can be made for 45 and 90 degrees, maybe a 45 bevel? Just a thought…

- hairy

Almost always a lower cost alternative, even better if you already have a hand plane that can work well for you on a board.

I looked for an old Lion, couldn’t find one, they had a new made one somewhere at about half price. I bought it, and to be truthful haven’t spent much time with it. Plan is to get the shop done, and put some time in with it.

My other thought for you is a dedicated 45 sled, and an extremely agile tenon jig, so you can 45 a standing edge on the TS. Both are doable, and using a great crosscut blade, can give crispy corners.

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Bob5103

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#9 posted 03-08-2021 12:37 AM

I have the Grizzly, and out of the box it gave me perfect miters. I also have a sled, and a shooting board. They all perform and have their place.

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#10 posted 03-08-2021 02:47 AM

I bought one for picture frame making and could never get any good results – wasted a lot of time and wood. I returned it and got an Incra miter sled and can accurately make my miter cuts. Frames are once again fun, rather than frustrating.
Lot of folks like the miter trimmer, but didn’t work for me. Factor with frames is the length must be exactly the same on opposite sides – that is tough with the miter trimmer (at least based on my experience).

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#11 posted 03-08-2021 02:47 AM

back in my previous life, I was doing a lot of work for a new Navy base.
all the commands had to have Command Picture Boards – and I made them.
so having “picture frames” that were precise and neat looking was paramount.
I don’t remember what brand it was, but it hung on the wall when it wasn’t in use
so it took up very little room. very much worth the investment if you want precise frames.

-- there is no educational alternative to having a front row seat in the School of Hard Knocks. --

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Bob5103

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#12 posted 03-08-2021 03:44 AM



I bought one for picture frame making and could never get any good results – wasted a lot of time and wood. I returned it and got an Incra miter sled and can accurately make my miter cuts. Frames are once again fun, rather than frustrating.
Lot of folks like the miter trimmer, but didn t work for me. Factor with frames is the length must be exactly the same on opposite sides – that is tough with the miter trimmer (at least based on my experience).

- BB1


I add this attachment to solve that problem. It allows you to cut to an exact length.

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Fred Hargis

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#13 posted 03-08-2021 11:22 AM


Fred, I have been making boxes mostly and it seems that I have miters on just about everything I build. My last 10 items (some not posted yet) have been multi-sided items with trim, so I must have about 20 miters at least in most things I make.

- awsum55

Like most tools, the trimmers have a setting (sortof) for 45º and 90º miters, setting them for the other angles is likely to be a lot less handy than you envision. Keep that in mind.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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BB1

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#14 posted 03-08-2021 11:45 AM

I bought one for picture frame making and could never get any good results – wasted a lot of time and wood. I returned it and got an Incra miter sled and can accurately make my miter cuts. Frames are once again fun, rather than frustrating.
Lot of folks like the miter trimmer, but didn t work for me. Factor with frames is the length must be exactly the same on opposite sides – that is tough with the miter trimmer (at least based on my experience).

- BB1

I add this attachment to solve that problem. It allows you to cut to an exact length.

- Bob5103


Looks like that would have been helpful. Thanks for sharing that link. Guessing mine was faulty as the angle also would not “hold” no matter how I tightened the knob.

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tvrgeek

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#15 posted 03-08-2021 12:19 PM

The Lyon design has a very, very accurate eccentric adjustment for 45 degrees. Any other angle, you are left to your own devices. If you want a common one, you can make spacers that fit over the pin.

I was thinking some 1200 or 2000 grit on the fences and a clamp would fix the slipping. I had not seen the grizzly jig. If it was accurate enough, might be handy. But it only adjusts external length and the trick on picture frames is the inside rabbet corner. The outside corner is fragile and a poor reference point for picture frames. I’ll think about it and maybe make something myself.

Fred, I have been making boxes mostly and it seems that I have miters on just about everything I build. My last 10 items (some not posted yet) have been multi-sided items with trim, so I must have about 20 miters at least in most things I make.

- awsum55

Like most tools, the trimmers have a setting (sortof) for 45º and 90º miters, setting them for the other angles is likely to be a lot less handy than you envision. Keep that in mind.

- Fred Hargis


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#16 posted 03-08-2021 12:49 PM

The Lion and the Dosch has that same eccentric for the 90º angles.

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#17 posted 03-08-2021 02:49 PM

The going price for used in craigslist has been $50. I have seen several at that price, picked up a good one about an hour from home. My plan is to know what tools I will need in the future. Not today or tomorrow. When I spot one at a good price, I grab it.

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