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Fix it or junk it?

by MBY852
posted 12-19-2020 04:32 AM


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#1 posted 12-19-2020 05:26 AM

What exactly is wrong with the reeves drive? Did one of the pulley sides break or is it something else? Certainly wouldn’t anchor it though.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#2 posted 12-19-2020 05:27 AM

Sounds like it would make a great anchor. 23 years of use you have more than got your moneys worth. For a little more money than the repair cost you can get a new variable speed lathe.

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MBY852

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#3 posted 12-19-2020 12:55 PM



What exactly is wrong with the reeves drive? Did one of the pulley sides break or is it something else? Certainly wouldn t anchor it though.

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix


Hi Brad,
The right side spindle pulley is worn on the shaft that the shifting lever bracket goes over. It’s lose on the shaft due to a bad bearing inside the shifting lever bracket. Another one of the spindle bearings is bad also. And the teeth on the shaft of the shifting lever is a little buggered too but still works. I called Jet and the guy told me he couldn’t even find any aftermarket vendors either. If those parts are not available as I have a feeling I’m just going to put it to rest I’m afraid.

MIke

-- Mike in FL.

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MBY852

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#4 posted 12-19-2020 01:00 PM



Sounds like it would make a great anchor. 23 years of use you have more than got your moneys worth. For a little more money than the repair cost you can get a new variable speed lathe.

- Woodmaster1

You may be right. The thing is my Powermatic 3520C is really all that I need but IF I can acquire the parts for $180 or less I would give it a new life otherwise anchor away.

-- Mike in FL.

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#5 posted 12-19-2020 02:17 PM

Put it on Ebay for parts. You could be surprised at what you can get for it. The cash may allow you to buy accessories for your new PM. When I bought my new Laguna, I held on to the old one for a spell, only to realize the new one was so much better, and that is why I bought it. I gave the old one to my son hoping he will get as much joy from it as I did.

-- Mike, Massachusetts

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MBY852

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#6 posted 12-19-2020 02:30 PM



Put it on Ebay for parts. You could be surprised at what you can get for it. The cash may allow you to buy accessories for your new PM. When I bought my new Laguna, I held on to the old one for a spell, only to realize the new one was so much better, and that is why I bought it. I gave the old one to my son hoping he will get as much joy from it as I did.

- mike02719


I was thinking about that also. Your right, might be worth it to do that. About the only thing I would keep would be the switch. Maybe throw a wire wheel on the motor. As far as the bed maybe get gas money at the scrap yard.

-- Mike in FL.

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#7 posted 12-19-2020 05:36 PM

Doesn’t sound too bad based on your description… maybe just a few new off the shelf bearings (6205’s and a 6006) and perhaps some Loctite 660. I have the same lathe, and it’s a very simple design. If you want to get creative, I bet it would be fairly simple to retrofit the motor with a variable speed DC motor out of a treadmill and replace the reeves drive with a simple v-belt or serpentine pulley setup. Regardless, don’t trash it!

Oh – another thought. That lathe is basically the same as the Harbor Freight one, and all of their parts AFAIK are interchangeable. You may be able to get a replacement pulley from them if it really is buggered past the point of use or repair. Wouldn’t hurt to contact them and ask.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#8 posted 12-19-2020 05:42 PM

If a true Reeves drive, what probably went bad, are the plastic sleeves inside the sheaves ID. These are made to fail first, before any damage to the sheave or shaft occurs. If not a true Reeves drive, then all bets are off, as many equipment makers produce their own version of a mechanical variable drive, per a Reeves knock-off design.

A design of this type can last virtually forever, but the key to longevity is to run the speed up and down, once a week or so, so the sheave does not run in one place on the shaft all the time.

You might want to post photos of the parts you need to replace. You might be able to effect a JB Weld sort of re-bushing repair!

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MBY852

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#9 posted 12-19-2020 07:19 PM


You might want to post photos of the parts you need to replace. You might be able to effect a JB Weld sort of re-bushing repair!

- AMZ

Here’s a shot of the worn shaft on the right pulley and the bearing inside the shifting lever bracket.

-- Mike in FL.

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MBY852

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#10 posted 12-19-2020 07:23 PM


You might want to post photos of the parts you need to replace. You might be able to effect a JB Weld sort of re-bushing repair!

- AMZ

Here s a shot of the worn shaft on the right pulley and the bearing inside the shifting lever bracket.

- MBY852


I guess it would help to attach the pic’s.

-- Mike in FL.

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#11 posted 12-19-2020 07:29 PM

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MBY852

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#12 posted 12-19-2020 07:30 PM



Doesn t sound too bad based on your description… maybe just a few new off the shelf bearings (6205 s and a 6006) and perhaps some Loctite 660. I have the same lathe, and it s a very simple design. If you want to get creative, I bet it would be fairly simple to retrofit the motor with a variable speed DC motor out of a treadmill and replace the reeves drive with a simple v-belt or serpentine pulley setup. Regardless, don t trash it!

Oh – another thought. That lathe is basically the same as the Harbor Freight one, and all of their parts AFAIK are interchangeable. You may be able to get a replacement pulley from them if it really is buggered past the point of use or repair. Wouldn t hurt to contact them and ask.

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix


I’m going down HF tomorrow and I’ll ask them. I’ll try a internet search for HF lathe and see if it’s available. HF usually doesn’t sell parts to fix anything.
I’m also thinking about tearing it down and greasing it up and stick it in the shed so I can free up some space in my shop. I’m moving in about a year so if it hasn’t been fixed by then I’ll probably just scrap it. But I’m going to try to find the parts I need until then.

Mike

-- Mike in FL.

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AMZ

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#13 posted 12-19-2020 09:02 PM

In a Reeves Drive, one sheave is fixed and the other moves. Was there a spring on the worn area of your sheave? On yours, did the worn area move against the shifting lever? If so, you might just go to a local bearing supplier to replace the bearing in the shifting lever. In the sheave, if the bore is wore into an egg shape, you might be SOL! If not, measure the bore and the OD of the shaft & look for a bronze sleeve (same bearing supplier), to press into the sheave.

I can’t imagine, though, the pieces being completely wore out, unless the lathe ran 24/7! You took it apart, and a bit more fussing, might save you some jack!

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#14 posted 12-19-2020 10:41 PM

You can’t buy a new 12×36 lathe for $180 so it will be worth it to someone.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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MBY852

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#15 posted 12-19-2020 10:52 PM


Doesn t sound too bad based on your description… maybe just a few new off the shelf bearings (6205 s and a 6006) and perhaps some Loctite 660. I have the same lathe, and it s a very simple design. If you want to get creative, I bet it would be fairly simple to retrofit the motor with a variable speed DC motor out of a treadmill and replace the reeves drive with a simple v-belt or serpentine pulley setup. Regardless, don t trash it!

Oh – another thought. That lathe is basically the same as the Harbor Freight one, and all of their parts AFAIK are interchangeable. You may be able to get a replacement pulley from them if it really is buggered past the point of use or repair. Wouldn t hurt to contact them and ask.

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix


I’m going down HF tomorrow and I’ll ask them. I’ll try a internet search for HF lathe and see if it’s available. HF usually doesn’t sell parts to fix anything.
I’m also thinking about tearing it down and greasing it up and stick it in the shed so I can free up some space in my shop. I’m moving in about a year so if it hasn’t been fixed by then I’ll probably just scrap it. But I’m going to try to find the parts I need until then.

Mike


In a Reeves Drive, one sheave is fixed and the other moves. Was there a spring on the worn area of your sheave? On yours, did the worn area move against the shifting lever? If so, you might just go to a local bearing supplier to replace the bearing in the shifting lever. In the ,sheave, if the bore is wore into an egg shape, you might be SOL! If not, measure the bore and the OD of the shaft & look for a bronze sleeve (same bearing supplier), to press into the sheave.

I can’t imagine, though, the pieces being completely wore out, unless the lathe ran 24/7! You took it apart, and a bit more fussing, might save you some jack!

- AMZ


I maxed out the lathe turning mostly hollow forms. Really the lathe is made for turning spindles mostly. The inside bore if fine, the outside is worn. Going to check 2 places for that pully and if no luck I’ll store it for awhile in hopes of finding what I need.

-- Mike in FL.

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MBY852

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#16 posted 12-19-2020 10:56 PM



You can t buy a new 12×36 lathe for $180 so it will be worth it to someone.

- Woodknack


Your right about that!

-- Mike in FL.

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#17 posted 12-20-2020 03:18 AM

In addition to treadmill motors Mr Unix mentions, which are far more powerful than most imagine, look at industrial sewing machine motors and controllers. They, generally, run in the area of 3/4 horse and come with controllers that allow you to vary the speed from zero to about 2,400 rpm and to reverse the direction.

A bit of scheming and planing and you could have a kick butt turning device.

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MBY852

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#18 posted 12-20-2020 04:16 AM



In addition to treadmill motors Mr Unix mentions, which are far more powerful than most imagine, look at industrial sewing machine motors and controllers. They, generally, run in the area of 3/4 horse and come with controllers that allow you to vary the speed from zero to about 2,400 rpm and to reverse the direction.

A bit of scheming and planing and you could have a kick butt turning device.

- Kelly


I’ve heard about folks putting in a treadmill motor, very clever. It would be great to have a variable speed drive!
I’ll have to research that conversion. I always see treadmills for free on craigslist.

-- Mike in FL.

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#19 posted 12-20-2020 04:39 AM

I think it would be a great project to make a variable speed drive for it.
And to keep it original, the bearings are easy, and cheap. The other parts may be tricky.
And if you choose to scrap it, Someone for sure would give a few $$ to do the restore project.

-- John

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#20 posted 12-20-2020 11:46 AM

All else fails, go low tech:

1. JB Weld the bad shaft, at the speed setting you want, then put a lock collar on the shaft so the sheave no longer moves. The downside is the lathe is no single speed.<<<<or>>>>
2. Put a multi-step pulley on the shaft, with a small, single step pulley on the motor, and you now have multiple speeds. The downside is you need to move the belt to achieve different speeds, but this type of repair gives you a working lathe than didn’t cost much to fix, easy to repair and easy to sell.

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MBY852

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#21 posted 12-20-2020 01:43 PM



I think it would be a great project to make a variable speed drive for it.
And to keep it original, the bearings are easy, and cheap. The other parts may be tricky.
And if you choose to scrap it, Someone for sure would give a few $$ to do the restore project.

- bigJohninvegas


I checked out a few youtube’s on the treadmill motor. Thats a great idea and I like the reverse also. A lot of good options. Going to HF today and see if they can order that pully. Someone said they should be interchangeable. There parts list shows it to be under $15. If that worked I’d put new bearings in and probably sell it.

-- Mike in FL.

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MBY852

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#22 posted 12-20-2020 01:46 PM



All else fails, go low tech:

1. JB Weld the bad shaft, at the speed setting you want, then put a lock collar on the shaft so the sheave no longer moves. The downside is the lathe is no single speed.<<<>>>
2. Put a multi-step pulley on the shaft, with a small, single step pulley on the motor, and you now have multiple speeds. The downside is you need to move the belt to achieve different speeds, but this type of repair gives you a working lathe than didn’t cost much to fix, easy to repair and easy to sell.

- AMZ


There are certainly a lot of options. If I can’t get the pulley then I’ll think about the other possibilities. Thanks for all your ideas!

-- Mike in FL.

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#23 posted 12-20-2020 03:51 PM


All else fails, go low tech:

1. JB Weld the bad shaft, at the speed setting you want, then put a lock collar on the shaft so the sheave no longer moves. The downside is the lathe is no single speed.<<<>>>
2. Put a multi-step pulley on the shaft, with a small, single step pulley on the motor, and you now have multiple speeds. The downside is you need to move the belt to achieve different speeds, but this type of repair gives you a working lathe than didn’t cost much to fix, easy to repair and easy to sell.

- AMZ

There are certainly a lot of options. If I can t get the pulley then I ll think about the other possibilities. Thanks for all your ideas!

- MBY852

By the way, in case I haven’t said it, that is not a genuine Reeves. Yours has pot metal sheaves and though their life isn’t great, the pot metal is easy to work. If you could chuck the scarred end in a lathe, tap it to turn true, then any carbide tool could true the ID enough for you to insert a bushing.

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MBY852

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#24 posted 12-20-2020 05:40 PM



By the way, in case I haven’t said it, that is not a genuine Reeves. Yours has pot metal sheaves and though their life isn’t great, the pot metal is easy to work. If you could chuck the scarred end in a lathe, tap it to turn true, then any carbide tool could true the ID enough for you to insert a bushing.

- AMZ


You know I thought about turning the shaft down because I bought a nice South Bend 9A lathe a couple of months ago but it’s tore down for cleaning, painting and new wicks right now. Then theres the keyway slot which is only 1mm from the end. So if I turned it down the Key way would be exposed. That would be a project for the South Bend after I get it running. Ist I’m going to try and get the pulley then if not I’ll just try and sell it as is or for parts.

-- Mike in FL.

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MBY852

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#25 posted 12-20-2020 05:50 PM

Many thanks to all with your suggestions. You’ve certainly givin me a lot of options. First I’m going to check on getting the pulley then I’ll go from there.

Mike

-- Mike in FL.

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#26 posted 12-20-2020 06:13 PM

Key stock (goes in key slots), is generally soft, very easy to file to needed shape.

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#27 posted 01-18-2021 02:56 AM

I replaced mine on my 1236 a few years back. It would be worth a call to JET tools. They may still have parts.

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MBY852

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#28 posted 01-18-2021 01:07 PM

I did call Jet when I first started to look for one. Discontinued and out of stock. The same with all the other places that said they had one but when I called they didn’t and have updated their inventory as out of stock . I haven’t checked with Harbor Freight yet. Someone said their pulley should. There cheap as with everything they sell.
My other option is to build up the outer diameter with JB and turn it down to size on my metal lathe.

I replaced mine on my 1236 a few years back. It would be worth a call to JET tools. They may still have parts.

- michigaloot


-- Mike in FL.

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#29 posted 01-18-2021 06:20 PM

Just in case there is confusion, the sewing machine motors I was talking about are far from you mother’s old Singer.

Another example:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081CGZBV1/?coliid=IUGJEW4D3G6M6&colid=1454791PCZRWB&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

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#30 posted 01-19-2021 01:51 AM

Thats interesting. Variable speed would be great.


Just in case there is confusion, the sewing machine motors I was talking about are far from you mother s old Singer.

Another example:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081CGZBV1/?coliid=IUGJEW4D3G6M6&colid=1454791PCZRWB&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

- Kelly


-- Mike in FL.

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#31 posted 01-19-2021 01:53 AM

Run a search for 1000 watt units and you can find one horse critters too.

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