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newbie needs help

by lengal
posted 12-18-2020 10:09 PM


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Sycamoray

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#1 posted 12-18-2020 10:20 PM

I never finish the inside of a project with polyurethane. In an enclosed space like behind a drawer, or in a drawer for that matter, the volatiles take seemingly forever to gas off, and the finish effectively contaminates whatever is in the space. The rare times I need to finish the inside of something, I use shellac.

Go ahead and paint the exteriors, etc. and move on with your life.

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#2 posted 12-18-2020 10:52 PM

I have never really finished the inside of anything except cabinets where you see the inside, and drawer boxes. But lately I have just been buying the pre-finished baltic birch for drawer sides. If I am not going to see it again, it doesn’t usually get finished.

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HowardAppel

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#3 posted 12-19-2020 01:26 AM

I haven’t seen the specific videos to which you refer, but I know that Jon sometimes uses prefinished plywood and sometimes uses a sprayer. Having said that, I doubt that not finishing the inside will make a huge difference.

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lengal

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#4 posted 12-19-2020 01:37 AM

Thanks for the replies. I’m happy to hear that I can go without finishing the inside. I’ll get back on it tomorrow


I haven t seen the specific videos to which you refer, but I know that Jon sometimes uses prefinished plywood and sometimes uses a sprayer. Having said that, I doubt that not finishing the inside will make a huge difference.

- HowardAppel

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lengal

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#5 posted 12-19-2020 01:38 AM



I haven t seen the specific videos to which you refer, but I know that Jon sometimes uses prefinished plywood and sometimes uses a sprayer. Having said that, I doubt that not finishing the inside will make a huge difference.

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsy7leNPvZI


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#6 posted 12-19-2020 06:35 AM



I never finish the inside of a project with polyurethane. In an enclosed space like behind a drawer, or in a drawer for that matter, the volatiles take seemingly forever to gas off, and the finish effectively contaminates whatever is in the space. The rare times I need to finish the inside of something, I use shellac.

Go ahead and paint the exteriors, etc. and move on with your life.

- Sycamoray


I completely agree with what Sycamoray said above.

One thing to note however is, if I looked at the right video, that the drawers are not having any runners. If that is so, I would suggest to put a good amount of paste wax on the bottom of the interior (where the drawers ride on), and on the drawer bottom edges as well. This will make a hell of a difference in how nice they will glide…

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#7 posted 12-19-2020 06:42 AM

I use Johnson’s paste wax as a shop finish on most everything. It can be easily stripped and replaced with any finish if required. Wax doesn’t need sanding between coats and two slatherings will give a decent finish that dries quick, doesn’t outgas (much) and looks and feels better than plain wood.

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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ibewjon

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#8 posted 12-19-2020 11:30 AM

I use the drawer glide tape from Woodcraft in place of wax. Peel and stick to the base, and the heavy drawers glide in and out.

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BlueRidgeDog

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#9 posted 12-19-2020 12:38 PM

For dimensionaly stable case work made from sheetgoods, finishing the inside is optional (IMHO). For a piece like yours, If I did not put finish on before the glue up, I would certainly not be finishing it after and give it a second thought to leave it as is. If I want to finish the inside of a piece, then shellac or lacquer is the way to go or simply a coat of wipe on sealer such as seal-a-cell.

Your project is looking good. Best of luck on the outcome.

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JIMMIEM

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#10 posted 12-19-2020 02:28 PM

Besides not needing to apply a finish to the inside, as others have already said, applying poly in a garage in the winter in Philly will be a real problem. I was applying poly in my unfinished basement in the winter and had to use one of those oil filled radiators to get the air temp high enough so that the poly would flow correctly.
Question: What kind of glue are you using? Kind of cold in the garage.

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lengal

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#11 posted 12-19-2020 03:24 PM

I have a kerosene forced air heater that I use to warm up the garage. I let it run for a while to get up to about 65 degrees then turn it off and on to keep cozy. The garage is very drafty so fresh air comes in constantly from above the rafters.. I am using titebond ll for glue with screws

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lengal

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#12 posted 12-19-2020 03:28 PM

Any suggestions on what I should put on the top where the mattress will sit. I was gonna put polyurethane on it but maybe I should put something else on top. Or, do even need to seal it on top?

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lengal

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#13 posted 12-19-2020 03:32 PM


I never finish the inside of a project with polyurethane. In an enclosed space like behind a drawer, or in a drawer for that matter, the volatiles take seemingly forever to gas off, and the finish effectively contaminates whatever is in the space. The rare times I need to finish the inside of something, I use shellac.

Go ahead and paint the exteriors, etc. and move on with your life.

- Sycamoray

I completely agree with what Sycamoray said above.

One thing to note however is, if I looked at the right video, that the drawers are not having any runners. If that is so, I would suggest to put a good amount of paste wax on the bottom of the interior (where the drawers ride on), and on the drawer bottom edges as well. This will make a hell of a difference in how nice they will glide…

- DrTebi

I never finish the inside of a project with polyurethane. In an enclosed space like behind a drawer, or in a drawer for that matter, the volatiles take seemingly forever to gas off, and the finish effectively contaminates whatever is in the space. The rare times I need to finish the inside of something, I use shellac.

Go ahead and paint the exteriors, etc. and move on with your life.

- Sycamoray

I completely agree with what Sycamoray said above.

One thing to note however is, if I looked at the right video, that the drawers are not having any runners. If that is so, I would suggest to put a good amount of paste wax on the bottom of the interior (where the drawers ride on), and on the drawer bottom edges as well. This will make a hell of a difference in how nice they will glide…

- DrTebi

I will use the paste wax on the bottom. thanks

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lengal

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#14 posted 12-19-2020 03:36 PM

Just to let you guys know, I am not good with computers. I’m trying to reply to some of the posts with the quote button and I don’t know if I am doing it right. So please bare with me

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JIMMIEM

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#15 posted 12-19-2020 04:35 PM


Just to let you guys know, I am not good with computers. I m trying to reply to some of the posts with the quote button and I don t know if I am doing it right. So please bare with me

- lengal


Just click the quote button and start typing your reply on the line below the blockquote.
I use polyurethane top, bottom, inside, outside. Once the offgassing smell goes away everything will be fine. Sometimes the offgassing can take a while to dissipate.

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lengal

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#16 posted 01-12-2021 04:14 AM

UPDATE !! finally got the frame and drawers finished and placed in the room.. Still have to make foot and headboards but at least it can be used right now. Very proud of myself for how it turned out. The drawers are near perfect and slide in and out effortlessly (with that paste wax on the bottom) The drawers have a 32” useable depth and still glide smoothly. So, thank to all who gave words of wisdom and thanks to Jon Peters for letting me copy his design

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lengal

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#17 posted 01-12-2021 04:16 AM

why do my pictures always come out sideways on this site? what the heck

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lengal

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#18 posted 01-12-2021 04:28 AM

try again on the photos.

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lengal

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#19 posted 01-12-2021 04:30 AM

nope. must be the site. I rotated them on my computer and they still upload sideways

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#20 posted 01-12-2021 04:40 AM

Lengal, what are you using to take the pics? And are you posting from a phone or a PC?

Answers to those questions can help get you the right advice for orienting pics correctly. You get points for trying!

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. - OldTools Archive -

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DrTebi

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#21 posted 01-12-2021 04:48 AM

Looks good! Storage space under a bed is very underrated!
Isn’t it satisfying to build something yourself? :)

Regarding the pictures, one program that always gets it right for me is GIMP . The issue has to do with the EXIF orientation tag… it’s a huge mess, I have had the same problem myself many times. GIMP just asks you if you want to rotate it the way the orientation tag is set, you say yes and save the image again, orientation tag and picture will then be correct.

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lengal

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#22 posted 01-12-2021 04:51 AM



Lengal, what are you using to take the pics? And are you posting from a phone or a PC?

Answers to those questions can help get you the right advice for orienting pics correctly. You get points for trying!

- Smitty_Cabinetshop

I take the pictures with my android phone, download them to my computer. When finished download to computer they all look normal. When I upload to this site they come out sideways.. I rotated them on my computer then uploaded again to this site and they still come out sideways

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lengal

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#23 posted 01-12-2021 04:58 AM


Lengal, what are you using to take the pics? And are you posting from a phone or a PC?

Answers to those questions can help get you the right advice for orienting pics correctly. You get points for trying!

- Smitty_Cabinetshop
I take the pictures with my android phone, download them to my computer. When finished download to computer they all look normal. When I upload to this site they come out sideways.. I rotated them on my computer then uploaded again to this site and they still come out sideways

- lengal


Looks good! Storage space under a bed is very underrated!
Isn t it satisfying to build something yourself? :)

Regarding the pictures, one program that always gets it right for me is GIMP . The issue has to do with the EXIF orientation tag… it s a huge mess, I have had the same problem myself many times. GIMP just asks you if you want to rotate it the way the orientation tag is set, you say yes and save the image again, orientation tag and picture will then be correct.

- DrTebi


Looks good! Storage space under a bed is very underrated!
Isn t it satisfying to build something yourself? :)

Regarding the pictures, one program that always gets it right for me is GIMP . The issue has to do with the EXIF orientation tag… it s a huge mess, I have had the same problem myself many times. GIMP just asks you if you want to rotate it the way the orientation tag is set, you say yes and save the image again, orientation tag and picture will then be correct.

- DrTebi

Im not computer savvy. Know just enough to get by. Wouldn’t know how to get any of that

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Madmark2

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#24 posted 01-12-2021 05:01 AM

Don’t rotate the pics. Open, perform say, a tiny crop, and resave. The pics will post correctly then.

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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#25 posted 01-12-2021 05:04 AM

I take the pictures with my android phone, download them to my computer. When finished download to computer they all look normal. When I upload to this site they come out sideways.. I rotated them on my computer then uploaded again to this site and they still come out sideways

- lengal

It is a site “feature” – old forum software…

Another simple way – take pictures only in landscape mod :))

-- "It's getting better..." - put this on my RIP stone!

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DrTebi

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#26 posted 01-12-2021 05:08 AM


Im not computer savvy. Know just enough to get by. Wouldn t know how to get any of that
- lengal


You don’t need to be. GIMP is a free software, you can download and install it with just a couple of clicks. Then just open GIMP, open your image, and have it fix your rotation issue.

There is no need to crop the image.

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lengal

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#27 posted 01-12-2021 05:22 AM


Ok, I will give it a try.

Im not computer savvy. Know just enough to get by. Wouldn t know how to get any of that
- lengal

You don t need to be. GIMP is a free software, you can download and install it with just a couple of clicks. Then just open GIMP, open your image, and have it fix your rotation issue.

There is no need to crop the image.

- DrTebi


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lengal

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#28 posted 01-12-2021 05:37 AM

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lengal

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#29 posted 01-12-2021 05:39 AM

downloaded gimp. it did ask me if i wanted to rotrate. i said yes. it rotated on gimp. uploaded pic and came out sideways

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lengal

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#30 posted 01-12-2021 05:43 AM

what do i do after i rotate it on gimp. am i supposed to save it somehow

Im not computer savvy. Know just enough to get by. Wouldn t know how to get any of that
- lengal

You don t need to be. GIMP is a free software, you can download and install it with just a couple of clicks. Then just open GIMP, open your image, and have it fix your rotation issue.

There is no need to crop the image.

- DrTebi


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DrTebi

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#31 posted 01-12-2021 07:19 AM

Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention that, it’s a bit different in GIMP than other editors:

You have to do a “Export as…”. So once you open the image, say yes to the rotation, go to the menu File → Export as…
You will get a dialog, where you can type in the filename. Type in a name of your choice, make sure to add .jpg to the end of the filename. For example: platformbox.jpg
You will get another menu with some options. Just accept the defaults and click Export

Trust me, it sounds more complicated than it is…

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DrTebi

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#32 posted 01-12-2021 07:42 AM

For anyone interested in why it happens that images are uploaded in the wrong orientation… let me try to shed some light on this:

Digital cameras (which includes your smartphone) have a sensor built-in that recognizes whether an image was taken with the camera turned 90° (or 180° or 270°). Then, if an image was taken vertically for example, it will add a so-called EXIF tag Exif.Image.Orientation to the image. This is a tag just like the date and time of a text file, and describes how the camera was rotated when the image was taken. The is tag not visible in the image, but can be read by software.

Now when you play back images on your camera, the camera reads this tag, and will rotate the image on your screen, so that you won’t have to rotate the camera again.

This may seem like a very smart solution, but the problem is, that now every program needs to be aware of this tag. And unfortunately, not every program is. As far as I know, web browsers do not bother to read this special tag. And that’s why we have these problems… As torus mentioned, here on lumberjocks it’s a “feature” of old forum software. Other forums may check that orientation tag of uploaded images, and rotate the images before your post goes up.

But keep in mind that it may not be in the best interest of the forum software designer to implement this… it takes up resources to rotate images, and if there are hundreds or thousands of posts per day, it will slow down the site…

So we become a victim of the convenience to not have to rotate our camera (or today, our phone) when looking at pictures that were taken in a different orientation, but have to deal with the problems if the tag isn’t interpreted by some software.

What I like about GIMP is, that it is not only aware of the rotation and asks whether you want to rotate the image, but that it also changes the EXIF tag after you rotate and export the image—this way the image will be oriented correctly in every other software as well, even if they don’t read the tag.

Alright, enough blabla. It just happens to be a topic that has driven me crazy quite often… and still does sometimes, since not all software is written to properly read this orientation tag…

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drsurfrat

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#33 posted 01-12-2021 11:13 AM

Common problem with the site. Solution is to crop just the tiniest bit from the pic (on phone or on computer) and it will then post in the correct orientation.

-- Mike (near Boston) ... Laziness is the mother of invention, necessity is the mother of exhaustion - me

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lengal

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#34 posted 01-13-2021 01:38 AM


Common problem with the site. Solution is to crop just the tiniest bit from the pic (on phone or on computer) and it will then post in the correct orientation.

- drsurfrat


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lengal

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#35 posted 01-13-2021 01:40 AM

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lengal

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#36 posted 01-13-2021 01:49 AM

Hey, thanks a lot for all the input on picture rotation. I opened the picture in paint, put a dot of paint on pic and saved it when i exited. I uploaded the pic to the site and bam it worked. i will still try to figure out gimp but this ADHD crap is horrible for trying to figure out things i can’t understand.. thanks again.. PS. those drawers in the pic are only open about half way. they have 32” of usable space

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