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Does anyone have a small bit of boxwood to spare?

by Ocelot
posted 09-25-2020 02:09 AM


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#1 posted 09-26-2020 01:48 AM

That’s what I thought.

Nobody has any. I can’t find it anywhere except shipped from England with very high shipping or larger pieces for $100+ from 1 us dealer.

I have a Ward and Payne chisel with a boxwood handle that might become a donor.

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#2 posted 09-26-2020 02:21 AM

bud if i had it.youd have it,sorry i cant help.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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#3 posted 09-26-2020 02:29 AM

Checked ebay?

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#4 posted 09-26-2020 02:37 AM

I searched eBay. Found things made from boxwood, but not even a pen blank of the genuine European box.

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#5 posted 09-26-2020 02:41 AM

Rarehardwoodsusa.com has 1 piece for about $50. They have the slowest website I’ve ever seen.

The w&p chisel has a damaged handle, so needs a graft or a new handle anyway.

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#6 posted 09-26-2020 02:56 AM

I looked through my stash I got dogwood and holly and a little bit of Ebauchon Briar.
Sorry
Good Luck

-- Aj

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#7 posted 09-26-2020 04:21 AM

Aj,

Thanks for looking. I appreciate it!

I considered buying a few holly pen blanks, but it’s not as strong as box and a lot whiter.

I’m starting to really like the idea of getting a little piece out of that damaged chisel handle. I intended to graft a chunk of mesquite on the end of the damaged handle, and I think I can get a big enough piece of box out of it while I’m at it.

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#8 posted 09-26-2020 04:23 AM

Potz, I apologise for failing to thank you.

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#9 posted 09-26-2020 04:42 AM

It depends on how deep they drilled the hole for the tang.
When I got this chisel, somebody had drilled a hole in it, painted it green, beat it up with a steel hammer, and used it for something like breaking rocks. I cleaned it up like this, but intended to graft on a piece of mesquite to restore the length and shape of the handle.

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#10 posted 09-26-2020 06:33 AM



Potz, I apologise for failing to thank you.

- Ocelot


not a problem my wife does the same thing-lol.im still lookig?

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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#11 posted 09-26-2020 09:00 AM

Here is a start:

All from the UK, but not all that expensive

https://www2.theturnersworkshop.co.uk/english-boxwood.html

https://www.workshopheaven.com/pen-blanks-english-boxwood.html

https://shop.exotichardwoods.co.uk/english-boxwood-pen-blank.html

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#12 posted 09-26-2020 12:53 PM

I found two pieces in my tiny stash! Still want them?

-- Mike (near Boston) ... Laziness is the mother of invention, necessity is the mother of exhaustion - me

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#13 posted 09-26-2020 06:14 PM

Wow, drsurfrat!
What do you want for them?
It this European box or African, if you know?
The one on the left might be big enough if it’s at least 3/4 wide x 3/16 thick.
-Paul

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#14 posted 09-26-2020 06:18 PM

Thanks, wwbbj,
I’m looking at that first company. The blanks are reasonable, but they don’t show postage rates to USA. I’ll inquire.

Ok. 30 lb shipping to USA on a 5 lb order!

-Paul

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#15 posted 09-26-2020 11:08 PM

would you consider using a piece of contrasting colored wood
to give the tool some character to show it has been used ??

.

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#16 posted 09-27-2020 01:50 AM

John, it’s a ruler, so the little patch will have markings on it. It has to be light colored wood. Probably you are right. I could use Osage orange, which I have, or holly, which is available.

I think I’ll go ahead and prepare a piece of Osage. It’s a tricky for me little bit of joinery

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#17 posted 09-27-2020 03:22 AM

Maybe just buy a used folding rule? I have seen some of the non collector versions sell for just a few dollars. It seems people either collect the collector versions, or use a stainless ruler or tape measure. So “user” wooden rules sell for cheap.

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#18 posted 09-27-2020 04:59 AM

SMP,
This one was made about 1870 or so. It’s very unusual. It has 4 obsolete measuring units, plus London inches.

The most uncommon being Russian imperial units.

I’ve been looking for one of these for years and 4 popped up. I bought 2. 1 whole. 1 broken.

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#19 posted 09-27-2020 05:25 AM

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#20 posted 09-27-2020 11:19 AM

wow – that is very impressive !!
looking forward to seeing the repair process and after it’s done.
gonna be one delicate project, that’s for sure.
at least you have all the metal parts !!

.

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#21 posted 09-27-2020 03:01 PM


SMP,
This one was made about 1870 or so. It s very unusual. It has 4 obsolete measuring units, plus London inches.

The most uncommon being Russian imperial units.

I ve been looking for one of these for years and 4 popped up. I bought 2. 1 whole. 1 broken.

- Ocelot

Understood. I meant buy a cheapie to use as a donater for the scrap you need. You can probably get it shipped for less than you could a new chunk without shipping. An added benefit it will probably be near the right size you need for repair.

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#22 posted 09-27-2020 04:26 PM


Wow, drsurfrat!
What do you want for them?
It this European box or African, if you know?
The one on the left might be big enough if it s at least 3/4 wide x 3/16 thick.
-Paul
- Ocelot

Nothing, just give me your address.

I take that back, I want to see detailed pictures, before and after. I love that kind of history. I’ve never even heard of Russian Imperial units.

-- Mike (near Boston) ... Laziness is the mother of invention, necessity is the mother of exhaustion - me

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#23 posted 09-27-2020 05:17 PM

For the future, there’s a guy on the unplugged woodworkers facebook group that sells english boxwood, shipped from the UK. Just ask around there for it, somebody should point you in the right direction.

-- Allen, Colorado (Instagram @bobasaurus_woodworking)

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#24 posted 09-27-2020 08:49 PM

Drsurfrat, PM sent. Thanks!
I’m not quick, so it might be a few months before I get it done.

Bobasaurus, I don’t do Facebook so if you could PM me that fellow’s email address, I’ll check that out too.

SMP, I considered buying a donor ruler, but this one is wider than most and maybe a bit thicker too. Also even if it’s cheap, I hate to cut up a good one. There were even 6 foot zigzag rulers in boxwood, but they are not common.

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#25 posted 09-27-2020 08:55 PM

John, the Russian arshin (arschine) was exactly 28 English inches and divided into 16 verchok (werschock). Then 1/16ths of that. The Communists changed to metric and apparently confiscated and destroyed the Czar’s old rulers.

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#26 posted 09-28-2020 03:21 PM

Ocelot, the P.O. said it would be there by Friday.
Don’t know about the origin. I’ve had it for 20+ years

-- Mike (near Boston) ... Laziness is the mother of invention, necessity is the mother of exhaustion - me

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#27 posted 09-28-2020 03:27 PM



- Ocelot

That is going to be a real challenging repair. I have a number of vintage folding rules so I would be very interested in watching your progress. Good luck and keep posting.

-- "With every tool obtained, there is another that is needed" DonW ( Kevin )

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#28 posted 09-28-2020 09:22 PM

Thanks for your interest, TOF.

I’ve run through several approaches in my mind. The simplest would be a scarf, but that would lose more than 1 inch of marked surface on the ruler. I have been thinking of more complicated ways as well.

There is a 7 1/4” circular saw blade with a 0.059” kerf. That’s less than 1/16” – about a third of the thickness of this thing. I’m not sure how much of a 7 1/4” blade I could project above the ZCI, but I could use my tennoning jig to cut a slot leaving the faces mostly unaltered. That would be only a part of the solution. I’m still thinking about it.

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#29 posted 09-28-2020 09:26 PM

Thanks again drsurfrat! I’ll let you know when it arrives. Please don’t hold your breath for completion of the job. I’m very slow and don’t get much shop time – and have a job, a wife, 6 children and a house.

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#30 posted 09-28-2020 09:59 PM

My pleasure.
6 kids and a house will certainly take up your time. I only have three (kids). I am not sure which takes more time. I am incredibly fortunate, my wife actually gives me time.

-- Mike (near Boston) ... Laziness is the mother of invention, necessity is the mother of exhaustion - me

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#31 posted 09-28-2020 10:17 PM

Well the 19-year-old is pretty much no burden, but the 5 under 9 are a handful. Some of them just want to sit on me, which makes it hard to do anything. :-)

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#32 posted 10-02-2020 10:25 PM

Package received, drsurfrat! Thanks. It looks like it’s going to be just big enough.

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#33 posted 10-02-2020 10:53 PM

O good, I knew it would be close. Can you tell the species?

-- Mike (near Boston) ... Laziness is the mother of invention, necessity is the mother of exhaustion - me

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#34 posted 10-03-2020 01:27 AM

I’m no expert, but it looks like the right thing.

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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