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Bed rail hardware woes

by wagspe208
posted 09-22-2020 01:57 AM


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Kazooman

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#1 posted 09-22-2020 02:14 AM

For some reason, the site won’t let me flag this post. Don’t know why. I would if I could. However, your “get to pouring the coals to some floozy” comment is certainly uncalled for and well outside the bounds of what usually passes for good taste here.

Can’t really tell what is going on from your photos, but I don’t think I would offer any advice anyway.

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wagspe208

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#2 posted 09-22-2020 12:12 PM


For some reason, the site won’t let me flag this post. Don’t know why. I would if I could. However, your “get to pouring the coals to some floozy” comment is certainly uncalled for and well outside the bounds of what usually passes for good taste here.

Can’t really tell what is going on from your photos, but I don’t think I would offer any advice anyway.

- Kazooman


Good… please block me…
I did not know humor wasn’t allowed here. I will edit it.. but PLEASE BLOCK ME
and if you cant tell what is going on you would be useless for advice anyway

-- I am no woodworker. I am a hack trying to do something to amuse me.

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Blindhog

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#3 posted 09-22-2020 01:39 PM

Are you not using slats to support the box springs? While that will not correct the larger than normal gap on the sides, I believe it would offer support to the box springs/mattress combo for use.

-- Don't let perfection get in the way of plenty good enough

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#4 posted 09-22-2020 02:15 PM

Slats or adding some blocking to wedge the mattress into the center and limit side to side movement. Both may be needed too.

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pottz

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#5 posted 09-22-2020 03:03 PM

not sure what was originally said to piss off kazooman man but as far as the bed problem i used the same hardware on a bed i made and allowed a couple inches on each side,but i have slats spaced about a foot apart to support the box springs which should solve your problem.are you a woodworker and if so why didn’t you build your own bed? humor is allowed here or i would have been gone a long time ago.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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Kazooman

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#6 posted 09-22-2020 08:08 PM


not sure what was originally said to piss off kazooman man but as far as the bed problem i used the same hardware on a bed i made and allowed a couple inches on each side,but i have slats spaced about a foot apart to support the box springs which should solve your problem.are you a woodworker and if so why didn t you build your own bed? humor is allowed here or i would have been gone a long time ago.

- pottz

I quoted the exact words. The OP was upset that the box spring would fall off the frame when he was “pouring the coals to some floozy”. I fail to see the humor in that. Just poor judgement for this forum. When the issue was pointed out the OP decided to edit it (he apparently realized it was in poor taste).

There is a link to the forum rules at the top of the forums home page. Check out rules eight and nine.

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Rich

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#7 posted 09-22-2020 08:18 PM


I quoted the exact words. The OP was upset that the box spring would fall off the frame when he was “pouring the coals to some floozy”. I fail to see the humor in that. Just poor judgement for this forum. When the issue was pointed out the OP decided to edit it (he apparently realized it was in poor taste).

- Kazooman

And you think repeating it now is in good taste? He took it out anyway. Not that I was offended.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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Kazooman

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#8 posted 09-22-2020 08:19 PM


I quoted the exact words. The OP was upset that the box spring would fall off the frame when he was “pouring the coals to some floozy”. I fail to see the humor in that. Just poor judgement for this forum. When the issue was pointed out the OP decided to edit it (he apparently realized it was in poor taste).

- Kazooman

And you think repeating it now is in good taste? He took it out anyway. Not that I was offended.

- Rich


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Kazooman

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#9 posted 09-22-2020 08:21 PM

Repeating it now is the only way Pottz and others would know what my concern was. Unless he is clairvoyant.

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Rich

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#10 posted 09-22-2020 08:24 PM

I think repeating something you thought was in bad taste is in bad taste…lol. Besides it was still in your first post, and the OP’s quote of it, so anyone who can read would know what it was about—no clairvoyance needed.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#11 posted 09-22-2020 09:26 PM

Well, I’m done for the day. I think I’ll go home and put the coals to MY floozy…hahaha
After dinner and a nap of course.

All I can think of would be to make an L shape (top with a leg) and put it over the side rails.
So the sides would look like they were 3 or so inches thick, (whatever it needs to be)

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pottz

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#12 posted 09-22-2020 11:28 PM

hey no need to attack each other guys i just wasn’t sure what the original conversation was entailed, i didn’t mean to start a fight.sounds like leeroy liked what was said though. ;-)

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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#13 posted 09-23-2020 12:31 AM

Slats or a couple pieces of plywood from side to side.

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#14 posted 09-23-2020 12:41 AM



Slats or a couple pieces of plywood from side to side.

- ibewjon


yeah this a common sense no brainer.or stop “stop puttin the coals to her”.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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#15 posted 09-23-2020 01:01 AM


.sounds like leeroy liked what was said though. ;-)

- pottz

It’s not that I liked it,
just that I did’t see the need for anybody to get there panties in a wad over it.

That’s just me though.

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#16 posted 09-23-2020 01:05 AM

Good bye guys.

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#17 posted 09-23-2020 01:24 AM

Can’t we all just get along?

Are the rails falling off? The metal detaching from each other? Or just the box spring falling into the hole? Could possibly just put blocks in the sides to fill the gap between the rails and the sides of box spring? Like drop a 2×4 into each side?

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#18 posted 09-23-2020 02:14 PM


.sounds like leeroy liked what was said though. ;-)

- pottz

It s not that I liked it,
just that I did t see the need for anybody to get there panties in a wad over it.

That s just me though.

- LeeRoyMan


+1

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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#19 posted 09-23-2020 02:28 PM

What ever happened to reading or hearing something and thinking to your self “I wouldn’t have said that” and moving on. We don’t need to be so hypersensitive that all thought and speech that doesn’t fit our idea of perfect must be suppressed.

I thought it was funny but perhaps a disclaimer would have helped “no floozy was harmed during this attempt at humor”

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#20 posted 09-23-2020 03:18 PM

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#21 posted 09-23-2020 03:45 PM



What ever happened to reading or hearing something and thinking to your self “I wouldn t have said that” and moving on. We don t need to be so hypersensitive that all thought and speech that doesn t fit our idea of perfect must be suppressed.

I thought it was funny but perhaps a disclaimer would have helped “no floozy was harmed during this attempt at humor”

- controlfreak


thats the way the world is these days everybody is offended by everything.hell say what you want not much offends me.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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controlfreak

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#22 posted 09-23-2020 04:42 PM


What ever happened to reading or hearing something and thinking to your self “I wouldn t have said that” and moving on. We don t need to be so hypersensitive that all thought and speech that doesn t fit our idea of perfect must be suppressed.

I thought it was funny but perhaps a disclaimer would have helped “no floozy was harmed during this attempt at humor”

- controlfreak

thats the way the world is these days everybody is offended by everything.hell say what you want not much offends me.

- pottz


That’s because you’re a douche bag.

Just messing with you Pottz

I stole that line from an old Al Pacino movie Justice for all I think. The witness on the stand was describing that the defendant was using fowl language and give examples. The defendant said “I can explain that, I have diabetes” The judge say “I fail to see a correlation between profanity and diabetes”. Defendant “that’s because your a douche bag”

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pottz

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#23 posted 09-23-2020 07:48 PM


What ever happened to reading or hearing something and thinking to your self “I wouldn t have said that” and moving on. We don t need to be so hypersensitive that all thought and speech that doesn t fit our idea of perfect must be suppressed.

I thought it was funny but perhaps a disclaimer would have helped “no floozy was harmed during this attempt at humor”

- controlfreak

thats the way the world is these days everybody is offended by everything.hell say what you want not much offends me.

- pottz

That s because you re a douche bag.

Just messing with you Pottz

I stole that line from an old Al Pacino movie Justice for all I think. The witness on the stand was describing that the defendant was using fowl language and give examples. The defendant said “I can explain that, I have diabetes” The judge say “I fail to see a correlation between profanity and diabetes”. Defendant “that s because your a douche bag”

- controlfreak


good one,douche bag isn’t even close to the worse ive been called,and thats from my wife-lol.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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wagspe208

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#24 posted 09-24-2020 02:59 AM

So, the issue with putting spacer blocks in each side is as follows… (I have done that… it works…) BUT
Due to the laws of physics, gravity, and the clearance in the hardware, the rails will twist slightly… since the box springs is sitting 2” in on each side… meaning the bottom of the rails will rotate a little outward… does that make sense?
The slats is a fix I guess… they did not believe it needed them.
Regarding the “F” word… I live in a world where I can laugh, and words don’t make we weep… I forget many cannot handle such harsh language… again, if such harsh language is offensive…. please block me… See, we live in a world where, on average, 3000 babies are killed each day in the US alone, murders, rape, ... Hell, (SORRY) was in an armed robbery at age 19. I started working on the trucking docks at age 14. By age 16 I was working 40 to 60 hours a week… so the “F” word is less than nothing to me.
But again… such harsh language can make people feel bad about themselves… I feel bad about having to try to make the decision, at age 8, whether I should kill my father to save my mothers life, as my sister and I thought he was going to beat her to death…... so. F word… HAHHAHAHAHAHAAH

-- I am no woodworker. I am a hack trying to do something to amuse me.

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wagspe208

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#25 posted 09-24-2020 03:02 AM


not sure what was originally said to piss off kazooman man but as far as the bed problem i used the same hardware on a bed i made and allowed a couple inches on each side,but i have slats spaced about a foot apart to support the box springs which should solve your problem.are you a woodworker and if so why didn t you build your own bed? humor is allowed here or i would have been gone a long time ago.

- pottz


wasn’t woodworking then… and I had this bed, a dresser, and nightstand built… and it cost me 1300 bucks… I could not have bought the wood for that.
And, honestly, this is way beyond my skill level… I’m just a hack trying to build some mildly fair stuff.

-- I am no woodworker. I am a hack trying to do something to amuse me.

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wagspe208

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#26 posted 09-24-2020 03:08 AM

Slats makes the most sense… and what would be considered “normal”.
Are slats generally just set in place? Or fixed to the rails in any fashion?

-- I am no woodworker. I am a hack trying to do something to amuse me.

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SMP

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#27 posted 09-24-2020 03:28 AM

No real need to fasten them in normal situations, other than to keep the spacing. But if you got the motion of the ocean going then you may want to physically attach them, could even be just drill a hole and pop a dowel in.

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pottz

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#28 posted 09-24-2020 01:40 PM



Slats makes the most sense… and what would be considered “normal”.
Are slats generally just set in place? Or fixed to the rails in any fashion?

- wagspe208


on the bed i made i just put one screw on end side of the slats,maybe not needed but i feel it makes the bed much stronger.and let me say none of your comments offended me,gave me laugh actually.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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wagspe208

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#29 posted 09-24-2020 04:06 PM

Anymore, sleep is more important than the motion… hahahaha I am older…
Just use a regular 1×4 white pine for slats, or use a yellow pine cut down, or a hardwood???
Slats it is for me…
Thanks for the help.

I just want to laugh and make people laugh. I am not here to make enemies, nor be condemned for things. If most woodworkers are more sensitive than a 4 year old, this site is not for me…
Not criticizing anyone… I don’t dislike, nor police people I disagree with… I live and let live.
With that also being said, I realize this is a site owned by ?? and his/ her rules apply… so, again, if I am offensive to the majority… I appreciate the help… but I will go elsewhere.

-- I am no woodworker. I am a hack trying to do something to amuse me.

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pottz

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#30 posted 09-24-2020 04:43 PM



Anymore, sleep is more important than the motion… hahahaha I am older…
Just use a regular 1×4 white pine for slats, or use a yellow pine cut down, or a hardwood???
Slats it is for me…
Thanks for the help.

I just want to laugh and make people laugh. I am not here to make enemies, nor be condemned for things. If most woodworkers are more sensitive than a 4 year old, this site is not for me…
Not criticizing anyone… I don t dislike, nor police people I disagree with… I live and let live.
With that also being said, I realize this is a site owned by ?? and his/ her rules apply… so, again, if I am offensive to the majority… I appreciate the help… but I will go elsewhere.

- wagspe208


i agree and ive pissed off my share of people here myself but im not gonna get all butt hurt if someone says something i dont like,too many are too sensitive.but hey i still believe in this forum and im gonna keep doing what i do and i hope you do too,hang in here,and keep us laughing we need it these days.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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Rich

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#31 posted 09-24-2020 04:48 PM


I just want to laugh and make people laugh. I am not here to make enemies, nor be condemned for things. If most woodworkers are more sensitive than a 4 year old, this site is not for me…
Not criticizing anyone… I don t dislike, nor police people I disagree with… I live and let live.
With that also being said, I realize this is a site owned by ?? and his/ her rules apply… so, again, if I am offensive to the majority… I appreciate the help… but I will go elsewhere.

- wagspe208

Forget about it. It was an innocent euphemism—no big deal. The majority wasn’t offended and offered some good suggestions.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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wagspe208

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#32 posted 09-24-2020 09:56 PM

I posted this months ago to make people laugh…
https://www.lumberjocks.com/topics/307248

-- I am no woodworker. I am a hack trying to do something to amuse me.

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pottz

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#33 posted 09-25-2020 04:12 AM

hey one thing i always tell myself,those that get it will and the rest,who cares.keep on on keepin on man.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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wagspe208

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#34 posted 10-02-2020 03:56 AM



hey one thing i always tell myself,those that get it will and the rest,who cares.keep on on keepin on man.

- pottz


I’m with ya brother… thanks!

-- I am no woodworker. I am a hack trying to do something to amuse me.

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#35 posted 10-02-2020 11:58 AM

This post needs to disappear for all the above reasons…nothing gained by continuing responses.

-- Bstrom

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#36 posted 10-02-2020 01:41 PM



This post needs to disappear for all the above reasons…nothing gained by continuing responses.

- Bstrom


then why did you respond ?

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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Craftsman on the lake

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#37 posted 10-02-2020 02:29 PM


What ever happened to reading or hearing something and thinking to your self “I wouldn t have said that” and moving on. We don t need to be so hypersensitive that all thought and speech that doesn t fit our idea of perfect must be suppressed.

I thought it was funny but perhaps a disclaimer would have helped “no floozy was harmed during this attempt at humor”

- controlfreak

thats the way the world is these days everybody is offended by everything.hell say what you want not much offends me.

- pottz

I kinda liked it….

Not really, But it really doesn’t matter much. I would have just given a funny look and moved on to the problem at hand. Didn’t really need to be said but people do that sometimes. I and probably everyone at one time or another are guilty of it right? The old…. foot in mouth thing. If you didn’t like it then just move one. This one isn’t a ,get your panties all in a bunch thing. I’ve seen some that were, but probably not this one.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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DS

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#38 posted 10-04-2020 09:23 PM

- LeeRoyMan

Some version of this looks like a solution to the mattress fitment issue.
As for the attachment brackets versus the old world through bolts you asked for;

Bed joints are fairly difficult to design and implement in a way that will hold up to the rigors they will be subjected to. There is a high risk of failure inherent in a newly designed joint.
The metal bracket is a tried and true, safe solution for a shop building a one-off bed.

I’m not saying I agree with the substitution without discussing it with you first, but, I understand the decision they made.

If the design intent was for aesthetics, you could apply fake bolts to the rails and achieve that goal.
If the intent was for functionality, the brackets you have are indeed functional.

There obviously was some miscommunication between yourself and the shop building the bed.
To avoid this, we always do detailed design drawings and get them signed off by the client before work begins.
This goes a long way to communicate what will be built.

If you truly feel the shop did not fulfill the contract design intent, I would think you could request them to remedy the issues as part of your original agreement, which is technically still unfulfilled.

For our shop, no cost is spared to satisfy a client’s design intent. If we screwed up, it is our loss. We don’t cut corners and we don’t accept subpar work from our craftsmen.

We would do a custom bed with custom bed rail joints, but we would be charging appropriately for prototyping and testing, because the liability for a failed joint is high.

Like I said before, the metal brackets are the safe and easy option. If they work in the design, I would choose to use them as well.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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wagspe208

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#39 posted 10-04-2020 10:44 PM

This is really just a little thing.. the bed, dresser, and nightstand are beautiful….. This is the only single issue i am not 100% happy with…. and I am extremely nit picky…. its great!!
and I’m about 85% ok with it… I only notice it anymore if I move the bed….

-- I am no woodworker. I am a hack trying to do something to amuse me.

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#40 posted 10-04-2020 10:54 PM

Don’t move the bed!!!!

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