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Grizzly G0899, anyone?

by Lil_Jeep
posted 02-10-2020 11:45 PM


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#1 posted 02-11-2020 12:54 PM

If it were me I would go for the G0690 for a true 3HP cabinet saw instead of a hybrid. It also has a T-square fence which that alone is worth the extra cost. This model would probably be the closest in design to my 15 yo Delta X5 3HP Unisaw which I love, except the G0690 has a riving knife which I want.

-- Tom, Adams, TN

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#2 posted 02-11-2020 03:59 PM


If it were me I would go for the G0690 for a true 3HP cabinet saw instead of a hybrid. It also has a T-square fence which that alone is worth the extra cost.

I only see slight differences between the 1023RL and the 0690, really worth the extra $200?

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#3 posted 02-11-2020 04:07 PM

For less $$$ than the G0690 I would suggest the old standby Grizz G1023 in one of it’s many models.

https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-10-3-HP-240V-Cabinet-Left-Tilting-Table-Saw/G1023RLW

That new saw appears to be a GO771Z and 100 pounds of something added? Maybe really heavy trunnions? Just glancing, nothing is jumping out at me. I’m pretty sure they don’t always want you to know the real differences. But with Griz if it’s Taiwan over China, go Taiwan every time.

https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-10-2-HP-120V-Hybrid-Table-Saw-with-T-Shaped-Fence/G0771Z

Even on the comparison pane, I am not seeing enough to account for 2 hundred bux more, unless it is Taiwan, and this close to be a forget I said that, because 200 bux is enough to make you do that.

https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-10-2-HP-120V-Hybrid-Table-Saw-with-T-Shaped-Fence/G0771Z

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#4 posted 02-11-2020 04:21 PM

Looks like the 0899 is just a rebranded 0833p. It has the same fence and blade guard dust collection. Lots of people like the 0771z but the fence on the 0833p/0899 looks much heavier – steel tube vs the extruded aluminum rail and it has that “Unifence-like” aluminum piece. I don’t really see any difference between the 0833p and the “new” 0899 and you can still get the 0833p for $130 less. There’s no reason to jump up $500 to the 0690 for hobby work since all the above have the cabinet mounted cast iron trunnions and decent fences. If you’ll be running the thing every day then maybe the extra 1 hp and beefier iron is worth it to you but if you are just a weekend warrior then I’d recommend the 0833p while you can still get it for $1,145.

If you do go with the 0833p/0899 then I would recommend replacing the dust port that has Y coming from inside the adapter to a standard Y like this:

Instead of this wacky thing:

-- Jarrett - Mount Vernon, Ohio

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#5 posted 02-11-2020 04:27 PM

For me the Quick release riving knife is the deal closer to go with the G0690. Changing from a regular blade to a Dado is much easier with the quick release and you shouldn’t have to worry as much about alignment issues.

However if the G1023 fits your budget it is a fine saw. A much better choice than the G0899 or G0771 hybrid saws.

A hybrid table saw is a stationary table saw, built to look like a more expensive cabinet saw, but with internals more like a less expensive “contractor saw”. So it’s a hybrid between a cabinet saw and what is traditionally known as a contractor saw. Cabinet saws tend to be sturdy and heavy, typically with a 3 hp motor or larger, requiring a 240 volt circuit. The trunnions and saw mechanism are mounted directly onto the cabinet base, whereas on a hybrid table saw they are usually just bolted to the bottom of the cast iron table.

-- Tom, Adams, TN

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#6 posted 02-11-2020 04:42 PM

The G0899 and G0771Z being Hybrids have the Trunions mounted to the top like a contractor saw. They are NOT mounted to the cabinet as smitdog seems to think.

Here is the Griz photo of the G0771 trunions.

Here is a photo of the G1023RL trunions.

-- Tom, Adams, TN

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#7 posted 02-11-2020 05:24 PM



Looks like the 0899 is just a rebranded 0833p. It has the same fence and blade guard dust collection. Lots of people like the 0771z but the fence on the 0833p/0899 looks much heavier – steel tube vs the extruded aluminum rail and it has that “Unifence-like” aluminum piece. I don t really see any difference between the 0833p and the “new” 0899 and you can still get the 0833p for $130 less.

It appears the 833p has disappeared from their site now. They must be watching us over here. Or did you see it somewhere else? I feel like it was there yesterday for sure.

Where does everyone find the country of origin? In the Q&A they do say that the 690 and 1023 have a different country of origin, I just couldn’t find which it is.

The trunnions and saw mechanism are mounted directly onto the cabinet base, whereas on a hybrid table saw they are usually just bolted to the bottom of the cast iron table.

Except in the case of at least the 0899 where they claim, “Cabinet-mounted cast-iron trunnions”

What I really want is to be able to go out to my garage, be able to set the fence with confidence that its within like 1/32-1/64 of square, and cut away. It seems like if I needed to do something like build a cabinet that I should be able to cut all of the pieces within maybe like an hour, whereas currently (and historically) that seems to be an all day event. FWIW, I previously had a cheap Ryobi jobsite saw with a really horrific sliding table and a fence that required careful measurement after each cut. I learned, however, on a fairly decent Delta contractor saw that my Dad still has and uses.

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#8 posted 02-11-2020 06:11 PM

I’m 100% going down your path with you and have been looking for the past 3 months or so. I too have mostly settled on the 0899. (Call me crazy but I like going through the Owner’s Manuals which you can get on Grizzly’s site by going to the product page and selecting the ‘Documents’ tab).

It has;
Better dust collection (theoretically) than what the 0771 and 0690 will give you (I agree with Jarrett on putting a Y connecter on it for better airflow)
Cabinet mounted trunnions (0771 and up all have this but it’s still a plus versus table mounted)
Better fence than the 0771Z
Ability to work on 120 or 220 for better hobbyist flexibility
Has a quick release blade guard and riving knife

There are probably other aspects I’m forgetting but those were some of the big ones that were appealing for the price. I won’t be cutting anything that would require the 3hp motor of the 1023 and I’m sure the 100lbs heavier weight won’t help in moving it around the garage. 400lbs vs. 500lbs is still plenty heavy for “stability”.

Shop Fox doesn’t seem to provide the same value for the price. I’m not sure if that’s because they come at a higher MSRP due to having distribution through retailers who need their markup, if the tariffs impact them more because they’re manufactured in China vs. Taiwan, or other. Either way, Shop Fox seems to cost $200-$300 more for the same thing even though it’s the same ownership.

I never could find any differences between this and the 0833 but it is clearly a replacement for it. Who knows what problems they found in the 0833 that they’re “fixing” with the 0899

-- Brian, Nashville, TN

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#9 posted 02-11-2020 07:06 PM

I won’t argue any further after this post on the G0690 or 1023RL vs the G0899. It seems you guys have made up your minds on your purchase decision and are just looking for validation. I get it that you are trying to stay within a budget and you want it now. I doubt anything more I have to say will sway your decision but here goes…

The big difference in weight is probably the most important part of the saw, the trunions and the 3 HP motor. Taking the lower priced G1023RL vs the G0899 there is no comparison in the trunions. Whether they are table or cabinet mounted the G0899s trunions are a light duty contractor style mechanism in a cabinet. Buy the G0899 and chances are, if you remain a serious woodworker, you will want to upgrade to a true Cabinet saw sometime in the future. If you get the G1023RL cabinet saw now you cry once and buy once over $220. Your likely only upgrade is a longer 52” fence and table to expand your cutting capacity and maybe a an overarm dust collection device

-- Tom, Adams, TN

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#10 posted 02-11-2020 07:37 PM

I was actually trying to find out more info on the 0899 but have been leaning toward the 1023 and trying to rule out the other Grizzly options. The 690 would cost me ~$225 more delivered to my doorstep. In the grand scheme, $200 isn’t going to break the bank, more like postpone other things I might want (like a jointer)

So, the G0690 at $1975 with tax and shipping to my door, what would a competitor model be? The SawStop is going to be probably $3500 with tax, a PM2000 is likely pushing $3k. Seems like the 0690 is a heavy hitter for the price.

There is a new in-box PM1000 w/50” fence listed near me that they are asking $2000 for, maybe I could get it for 1750 or something. I would sacrifice the 3hp motor but is the PM enough of a nicer saw that I should consider it instead of the 0690?

Also a used Unisaw with all kinds of stuff for $1850…

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#11 posted 02-11-2020 07:51 PM

Tom – I don’t disagree at all that the 0690 or 1023 are better saws. I was trying to give my opinion on the lower priced options and whether they would fit the OPs needs. I mainly wanted to make sure he knew the 0899 was basically the same as the old 0833p, but it appears that is a mute point now.

Lil_jeep – this morning when I searched “G0833p” it was listed as discontinued but showed “in stock” in the Missouri warehouse and I could add it to the cart. It is now listed as discontinued with no option to purchase so I’m guessing they sold the last of their inventory today. With that being the case I don’t think the 0899 is worth $350 more than the 0771z. If you are willing to go up to the 0899 starting price then you could probably stretch to the 1023RL and call it the last saw you’ll ever own. If you do decide to go with the 0899 make sure to do a thorough review for LJs as well as Grizzly so that others can see some real-world experience before buying.

-- Jarrett - Mount Vernon, Ohio

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#12 posted 02-11-2020 08:26 PM


I was actually trying to find out more info on the 0899 but have been leaning toward the 1023 and trying to rule out the other Grizzly options. The 690 would cost me ~$225 more delivered to my doorstep. In the grand scheme, $200 isn t going to break the bank, more like postpone other things I might want (like a jointer)

So, the G0690 at $1975 with tax and shipping to my door, what would a competitor model be? The SawStop is going to be probably $3500 with tax, a PM2000 is likely pushing $3k. Seems like the 0690 is a heavy hitter for the price.

There is a new in-box PM1000 w/50” fence listed near me that they are asking $2000 for, maybe I could get it for 1750 or something. I would sacrifice the 3hp motor but is the PM enough of a nicer saw that I should consider it instead of the 0690?

Also a used Unisaw with all kinds of stuff for $1850…

- Lil_Jeep

After looking hard at the 1023 vs the 690 I’ve started talking myself into the 1023 because the dust collection looks like it would be better, but then I go back to the quick release riving knife and I think the 690 is better. I’m glad I’m not shopping for this saw because I understand your dilemma.

I’d stay away from the PM1000 for a variety of reasons.

I’m a Unisaw owner so I have a fondness for them but if it is pre-2009 it won’t have a riving knife. Mine is 2004 and it doesn’t so a Shark Guard is my only solution for that unless I upgrade to a SawStop or a European Slider. I’d at least go look at the Uni since it is somewhat in your price ballpark. Maybe you can get the price down a bit.

One of my personal criteria for my Uni was the 52” fence so truth be told I could live with the 1023RLX with the 53 inch extension table and have a riving knife, (but not a quick release like the 690 so I’d have to go to the 691 for even more money so no). If the extension is not one of your criteria then The 1023RL might be your best value. Only you can decide for sure but I think you should seriously look at the 1023RL/RLX options if the used Uni doesn’t meet your needs.

-- Tom, Adams, TN

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#13 posted 02-11-2020 08:51 PM

I’m fairly certain this is pre-2009. I also feel like I’ve seen much better deals on these in the past. I kick myself for passing on several uni’s that have come and gone in the last couple of years for sub-700 prices. Here’s the one that’s listed:

I’m still hung on up on the 1023RL and trying to eliminate all other possibilities. The 690’s fence is definitely more enticing. Also, being able to quickly remove the riving knife and change to a dado stack would be a huge plus too.

I’ve also never used a saw with a riving knife so I’m not sure I understand why everyone loves them so much

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#14 posted 02-11-2020 08:57 PM

That Uni is older than mine. It has the Unifence instead of the Biesemeyer fence. A solid saw but there’s not enough extras for a price of $1,800. It really should be half that price. I’d pass and go for the 1023RLX.

-- Tom, Adams, TN

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#15 posted 02-11-2020 10:52 PM

Well, I’ve got the 1023RLW in my cart, just waiting for final approval from the “CFO”. Initially I was just going to do the 1023RL as I didn’t realize the ‘W’ is actually the router table for $50 additional. Comes out to $120 more with the added freight cost, right at $1845 with tax (ouch!)

Many thanks for helping me make the choice that so many others have also had to make!

I guess I’ll be trying to find some buddies to help me move it into the garage on delivery day since my driveway is an 8% grade :-|

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#16 posted 02-11-2020 11:28 PM

Hmmm…. I’d build my own router table extension later and put a JessEm lift in it. A router lift is a game changer. You will need an accessory fence for the router that will camp on to your T-sqaure fence to allowABOVE TABLE dust collection and surround the bit. A Rockler dust bucket would be a good addition too for under the router table or a home built version of one. If you haven’t already clicked the buy now button you might want to give that some thought first.

-- Tom, Adams, TN

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#17 posted 02-12-2020 12:37 AM



Well, I ve got the 1023RLW in my cart, just waiting for final approval from the “CFO”. Initially I was just going to do the 1023RL as I didn t realize the W is actually the router table for $50 additional. Comes out to $120 more with the added freight cost, right at $1845 with tax (ouch!)

Many thanks for helping me make the choice that so many others have also had to make!

I guess I ll be trying to find some buddies to help me move it into the garage on delivery day since my driveway is an 8% grade :-|

- Lil_Jeep

Fairly certain you will love the 1023, they have been a mainstay for years, and direct competition to PM200, before that the PM66, the old, and newer Delta Unis. and all the other saws in that category, and they have sold briskly against them, and owners have been singing praises the entire time.

I had heard a number of things about Griz customer service, but now own several of their products, and I find if I need them, they have been quite capable, quick to respond, and helpful. Not sure what else you might look for.

Enjoy your new saw.

-- Think safe, be safe

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#18 posted 02-12-2020 01:15 AM



The G0899 and G0771Z being Hybrids have the Trunions mounted to the top like a contractor saw. They are NOT mounted to the cabinet as smitdog seems to think.

Here is the Griz photo of the G0771 trunions.

Here is a photo of the G1023RL trunions.

- teetomterrific

Actually the 833p and 899 have their trunions mounted to the cabinet NOT the table. The only difference I can tell from the manuals is that the new 899 comes wired at 115v instead of 220v like the 833p.

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#19 posted 02-12-2020 01:52 AM



Hmmm…. I d build my own router table extension later and put a JessEm lift in it. A router lift is a game changer. You will need an accessory fence for the router that will camp on to your T-sqaure fence to allowABOVE TABLE dust collection and surround the bit. A Rockler dust bucket would be a good addition too for under the router table or a home built version of one. If you haven t already clicked the buy now button you might want to give that some thought first.

- teetomterrific

I actually had this thought and reading your response sealed the deal. Ordered the 1023RL since I don’t need the extra fence length right now. I can always replace the rails later, they appear to just be square tube. Saved myself some coin until I buy a router worthy of adding to it, just have a dewalt trim router with the plunge setup and a larger ryobi cheapo that goes into their cheap table but works fine with quality bits for what I’ve been doing.

And I’m glad I went with the 1023 because, in hindsight, I have 4 slabs of 10/4 maple in my basement that are 96” range and I have a feeling the 1.75hp saws would have struggled with them when I am finally brave enough to build something out of them.

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#20 posted 02-12-2020 03:08 AM

-- Tom, Adams, TN

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#21 posted 05-14-2020 07:12 PM


The G0899 and G0771Z being Hybrids have the Trunions mounted to the top like a contractor saw. They are NOT mounted to the cabinet as smitdog seems to think.

Here is the Griz photo of the G0771 trunions.

Here is a photo of the G1023RL trunions.

- teetomterrific

You must be “SPECIAL” and obviously using “NOT” pretty confident when obviously you have no idea what you are sure of. YOU are 110% INCORRECT and calling out smitdog when obviously you are incorrect yourself and smitdog is correct. You used a picture of the G0771Z where in the pic you can’t even tell whether the trunnions are cabinet or top mounted. Below I’ve provided photos of the G0771Z and it’s cabinet mounted trunnions. Please do research before confidently calling someone out as being incorrect like you did with smitdog.

Both the G0771Z and G0899 both have cabinet mounted trunnions. Obviously the angle of the pic you provided of the G0771Z “IS NOT” the best representation or pic to show the trunnions. Please before confidently spreading false information do research, Please and thank you.

I have worked on the G0771Z and it is in fact cabinet mounted and not mounted to the top.

*Scroll down in this post below to the post by KNOTSCOTT. In the post in which he posts pics of the G0771Z cabinet mounted trunnions.

https://www.lumberjocks.com/replies/on/8557514

Again Please do research before confidently using “NOT”.

Pics of Grizzly G0771Z cabinet mounted trunnions below

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