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Lengthwis ridges from grizzly helical planer?

by Jeremymcon
posted 10-30-2019 01:28 AM


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Stephan in BC

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#1 posted 10-30-2019 09:23 AM

Let me guess, the helical head is only a couple inches in diameter with rotatable square carbide cutters? If so, then unfortunately yes this is a limitation of the design. I once had a helical head on the larger model of dewalt planer and had this issue too. I eventually went to a 20” straight knife machine and it solved my scallop issues EXCEPT it’s not as good with highly figured woods, which you already know.

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Fred Hargis

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#2 posted 10-30-2019 10:25 AM

I have the Byrd head in my Delta planer and it does give the ridges, It’s my understanding that Byrd has redesigned their heads to eliminate this effect. One thing I did that reduced it was to remove each insert and clean the seat, then torque it to the correct tightness. It reduced it, but did not eliminate it. On the other hand it only take s few swipes (literally) with an ROS to remove them.

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Jeremymcon

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#3 posted 10-30-2019 11:46 AM

Huh. So pretty normal, I guess. Wonder why I had never heard of this effect before? Everybody raves about their helical planers, and here I am a little disappointed in the surface mine leaves. The ridges are large enough that I don’t think I’d want to face glue two boards together like I might do for laminated table legs.

I wonder if it’d help if I just run the board through the planer again without changing the depth? Would it maybe remove some of the high spots? Might try that when I can get back into the shop.

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WhyMe

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#4 posted 10-30-2019 12:05 PM

I have a helical head on my 13” Dewalt and it cuts smooth. I don’t know what else to say.

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Jeremymcon

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#5 posted 10-30-2019 12:24 PM

Hmm… Maybe I’ll contact grizzly about this. See what they have to say. I mean, I just dropped like $800 on this thing with shipping. It ought to work.

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Robert

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#6 posted 10-30-2019 12:47 PM

I have a Byrd head in my Grizzly jointer. The only time I’ve ever seen the ridges is when I rotated the cutters and didn’t have one seated down all the way.

The way you determine which cutter it is make a face pass, turn machine off and keeping board oriented the same way, rotate the cutter head until you find the cutter that matches the ridge. Loosen the cutter and reseat.

I would check this first I’ll be that’s what it is.

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#7 posted 10-30-2019 01:03 PM

The bryd head in my Powermatic planer leaves the furrows rows. I’m on my second side of the second set. I’ve cleaned the seats and torqued them but I still see them. I think this will eventually be a failing. As each screw is potential failure :(
On some woods the rows show more.

-- Aj

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Jeremymcon

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#8 posted 10-30-2019 01:03 PM

But it’s not just one cutter – if you look at the picture it’s across the full width of the board! Could it be that every cutter is seated incorrectly from the factory? I guess I could check.

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Jeremymcon

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#9 posted 10-30-2019 01:24 PM

I’ll have to try it on another wood. Maybe on the soft maple, cherry, and Walnut that are my normal bread-and-butter woods it won’t be as noticeable as in this Birdseye hard maple…

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Jack Lewis

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#10 posted 10-30-2019 01:28 PM

Rerun the board through a second time without changing the blades/cutters in a different position on the infeed table.

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Jeremymcon

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#11 posted 10-30-2019 01:29 PM



Run the board through a second time without changing the blades/cutters in a different position on the infeed table.

- Jack Lewis

I’m definitely going to try this when I get home. If that’s all it needs to come out smooth I can live with that.

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edapp

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#12 posted 10-30-2019 02:23 PM

my grizzly 1021×2 does not do this. I bought it over their other helical head models because it actually uses a shear cut/scalloped insert vs the square/straight inserts. I don’t know if that is causing the issue or not, but this is not something that you should have to live with just to reduce tearout… Id be returning that machine to grizzly if they claim it is normal and live with it.

only time I get ridges on boards is when I run a pass that is too light. If I don’t remove enough material it will leave indentions from the metal in-feed roller.

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#13 posted 10-30-2019 02:30 PM



I have a Byrd head in my Grizzly jointer. The only time I ve ever seen the ridges is when I rotated the cutters and didn t have one seated down all the way.

The way you determine which cutter it is make a face pass, turn machine off and keeping board oriented the same way, rotate the cutter head until you find the cutter that matches the ridge. Loosen the cutter and reseat.

I would check this first I ll be that s what it is.

- Robert


I have a 12 inch jet jointer planer and noticed this when brand new.

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Jeremymcon

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#14 posted 10-31-2019 02:57 PM

I didn’t have time to go down to the shop and tinker with it last night, but grizzly tech support says they think the inserts might have been installed incorrectly at the factory, and that I should try to reinstall them and torque the screws at 50-55 in/lb. So I’m going to do that and see if it makes a difference. Hoping it does!

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#15 posted 10-31-2019 08:08 PM

I’m thinking there is something wrong with the cutterhead.

I put in a new helical cutterhead into my old planer and have not had any issues- no machine marks at all. I think the older versions of those cutterheads had those issues.

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Aj2

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#16 posted 10-31-2019 09:37 PM

I’ve had two insert heads on different machines. And both left the marks from the inserts .
On some woods it’s more noticeable then others.
I’m thinking it’s because carbide isn’t that sharp and some woods the fibers are compressed slightly before they are cut. It’s really more of a scrap cut then a knife that has positive rake.
Anyways I don’t see why it matters you have solved your tear out issues. Remember your to lower your expectations when you are operating a common hobby machine.

Good Luck

-- Aj

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Stephan in BC

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#17 posted 11-02-2019 09:01 PM

You’re right about the carbide not being as sharp. Good thought.

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#18 posted 11-03-2019 05:03 AM

Without seeing, knowing how bad these ridges are.

I have a straight knife machine. I routinely get nicks on the knives and they of course leaves riders. I don’t sweat it. After all a planer is a dimensioning tool, not and a finishing tool. The ridges come out during the scraping and sanding process anyway. IMHO you shouldn’t be applying a finish right off the planer anyway.

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Jeremymcon

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#19 posted 11-22-2019 07:37 PM

Update: I shipped the machine back to grizzly and they are sending me a replacement! Let’s hope the new one is better.

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