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Brad and pin nailer, battery or air?

by controlfreak
posted 10-08-2019 02:53 PM


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waho6o9

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#1 posted 10-08-2019 03:09 PM

I prefer the Paslode framing and finish nailers as its more efficient.

Still have my Hitachi framing nailer but don’t use it and gave away my Senco finishing nailer.
Both good products as well.

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JayT

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#2 posted 10-08-2019 03:23 PM

Pros and cons both ways.

For pneumatic, they cost quite a bit less since you already have a compressor and are physically smaller to get the head into tighter areas.

Battery powered, however, are much more portable, especially for quick jobs. They are heavier and bulkier, but you don’t have to deal with being tethered by the hose. Plus, you don’t have to deal with the noisy pancake compressor.

I don’t use power nailers that often, so am perfectly fine with pneumatic (plus, my compressor is much smaller and quieter than a pancake). If I was using them quite a bit, however, I would go battery powered.

-- https://www.jtplaneworks.com - In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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Andre

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#3 posted 10-08-2019 03:42 PM

I picked up a Ryobi brad nailer when they first came out and was on sale, one of the best decisions I have made!
While I seldom use any nails in most projects I did use it to build out the basement and it earned its place doing the baseboards and moldings.

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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Axis39

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#4 posted 10-08-2019 04:06 PM

I use everything from [in nailers, to finish nailers to narrow crown staples… Air for me.

But, I do have my first battery operated 18 ga nailer, a Ridgid one. I love it on the jobsite, and will grab it from time to time in the shop.

But, I always have a hose hooked up to my 26 gallon compressor… And a lot of the time, it is full of air.

A few advantages of air tools: they are lighter and the driver area is smaller, allowing you to get into smaller spaces; you can use an air gun to blow dust and grit and chips off of anything; and, a compressor fills up faster than a battery charges (most fo the time, anyway) and I tend to run out of battery when I am grabbing the nailer during a difficult glue up with squeeze out everywhere! LOL

-- John F. SoCal transplant, chewer uppper of good wood

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MrRon

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#5 posted 10-08-2019 04:40 PM

I have all pneumatic nailers, but recently went looking at cordless nailers, specifically an 18 ga gun. I found them to be heavy, bulky and cost a lot more. I don’t use a nail gun all that much, but when I do, I find the hose keeps getting in the way. If the cordless nailer were less expensive, I would go for it, but for now, I’ll stay with my 5 pneumatic guns. BTW, I have a big compressor and also a small California Air Tools compressor that is super quiet.

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pottz

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#6 posted 10-08-2019 04:49 PM

since i have a compressor with air lines all through my shop it’s air tools for me which are bostich,ive used theirs for the last 25 years.the cordless are still too bulky for me,but their getting closer.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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HackFabrication

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#7 posted 10-08-2019 07:17 PM

I have 100% Bostitch pneumatic nailers. Everything from pin to framing. Haven’t gotten their roofing nailer yet.

-- "In the end, it's all Hack..."

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Rich

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#8 posted 10-08-2019 09:26 PM

I just went around and around on this subject. I’m installing a lot of trim on job sites and really need to have my pin nailer available. I looked around at cordless options, but none looked all that great. The cost is high too. I already have my Hitachi that works flawlessly.

Then, what about the times when I’d need a brad nailer? Now we’re talking two cordless nailers that I already own pneumatic versions of.

Ultimately, I found the California Air Tools CAT-1P1060S compressor for $130 on Amazon with Prime shipping. It’s a small, lightweight (29 lbs) hot dog model that is spec’d at 56 dB. That means I can take it into anyone’s home and not scare them off with a screaming pancake model. That, and a lightweight 25 foot air hose and I’m set for using any of my nailers.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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RRBOU

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#9 posted 10-09-2019 01:41 AM

I use my 28 gauge pin nailer a lot, it is the one from Harbor freight. I drive a pin underpowered in a glue-up the cut It with cutters. This prevents an edge glue-up from slipping. It works flawless. I hardly ever use my nailers, I bought them when I replaced all the trim inside and out on the house. They are all Hitachi. I shot a pile of nails with them and not one hickup. I replaced my porter cable mailers with them. They sucked as we’re always jamming and misfiring. I did not get the framing nailer so can’t talk for or against it. But I would not use an electric as I have not been convinced they have an advantage over air.

-- If guns cause crime all of mine are defective Randy

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runswithscissors

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#10 posted 10-09-2019 03:56 AM

I started with a Ryobi stapler, as I had to do a ceiling with cello tiles, and didn’t want to drag the compressor into the house. I liked it so well that I went and bought the 18 g. brad nailer, and later the 23 g. pin nailer.

I admit they are heavier and bulkier than pneumatic, but for me the trade off is worth it. When a battery runs down (shoots a lot of nails to get there) I always have another charged up. And I don’t have to wait for the compressor to cycle like I used to. So far performance has been very adequate. I rarely fire up the compressor any more.

-- I admit to being an adrenaline junky; fortunately, I'm very easily frightened

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WoodenDreams

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#11 posted 10-10-2019 02:47 AM

It’s like a convenience store, you pay extra for use of convenience. If you like the battery, your taking a chance that the tool will be no good to use ten years from now. likely not able to get replacement a battery. My air tools I got in 1976 are still in operation. The only battery tools I have is a drill and a power screw driver. Already had to replace both of them cause I couldn’t get replacement batteries. Both a less than seven years old. Good reason to use electric or air powered tools. I have two electric stapler/brad nailers & my other brad nailers, staplers and pin nailer are air powered.

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SMP

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#12 posted 10-10-2019 04:51 AM

I’ve only ever owned pneumatic and they are fine, but go with oil-less, because you can get oil on your work if not careful with the oil type. I used a friends Paslode a long time ago and it was pretty expensive to use because the nails are already expensive but you had to also buy cartidges that added to the cost. No experience with jist battery op ones.

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ibewjon

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#13 posted 10-10-2019 12:10 PM

Battery life, long term, and availability in the years ahead is what I worry about. I am on my third set of battery tools, fourth if you count replacing my ni cad with nmh batteries. And the new lithium batteries don’t fit old tools. Air will always be here.

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controlfreak

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#14 posted 10-10-2019 12:46 PM

I think air is the way to go for me. I really like the reviews on the California air especially the noise level.

Next question is what size do I need? I don’t use any automotive tools. I have framing nailer on down to finish and plan on adding brad & pin. Now that I have permanent shop power I don’t have to worry about the load of a compressor so I plan on finding a space for it and adding a reel maybe. There may be times that I will need to move it out (like when my wife goes out of town and I expand my shop). The only unknown is I plan on getting a small spray cup gun in the future but have no idea what size tank is needed. I only see myself using one tool at a time.

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Rich

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#15 posted 10-10-2019 01:37 PM

The California Air Tools 1060S I got is adequate for any pneumatic fastener, and at <30lbs>ll take the turbine any day, but everyone has their own preferences.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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JayT

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#16 posted 10-10-2019 01:47 PM

I’ve got a California Air Tools 1060, as well and its great for finish work. I’d hesitate to use it for framing or roofing, just not enough capacity. If you are doing much framing, then the 4610 (1HP occasional framing) or 4620 (2HP for serious work) twin tube would be a better choice. If you are going to keep it stationary and add a reel, then look at the 10020 or the 20015. They are a nice shop compressor size and with the vertical format, don’t take up too much space. According to my CAT rep, the 10020 is their best selling unit.

-- https://www.jtplaneworks.com - In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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Rich

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#17 posted 10-10-2019 03:32 PM

Looks like my punctuation triggered some HTML issue and caused about 90% of my post above to disappear. Jumping directly from the weight of a compressor to a turbine would be quite a stretch.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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DRWard

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#18 posted 10-10-2019 06:21 PM

If I were a trim carpenter, I would probably go with battery powered nailers, but since I am a hobbiest woodworker and only work out of my shop, I like the pneumatic nailers. Years ago, I purchased a corded electric brad nailer, which I found to be very underpowered for some woods, I have never experience a similar problem with my pneumatic tools. I know there have been major improvements in the technology associate with battery powered tools (and I own quite a few), but since I have a very nice compressor, some reliable pneumatic tools, and I don’t have to transport any of them to a job site, I’ll stay with air-power.

-- Donn, North Carolina

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ibewjon

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#19 posted 10-10-2019 08:27 PM

The bigger the tank, the less times it will run. But when it does run, it will run longer. I bought a five HP with 80 gallon vertical tank 40 years ago when I did more auto work, so I don’t know how big of a tank will work for nailers. A lot less air volume required than ratchets and impacts. A vertical tank is nice for saving floor space, and I have seen some nice ones with wheels at Menards. HD and Lowe’s probably have the same.

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ohtimberwolf

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#20 posted 10-11-2019 01:05 AM

Mine is from Lowes . What ever you do go with the super quiet if you buy a compressor and you will never regret your purchase. What a difference!!

When i bought mine it was $199 but 10% off for Military.
Kobalt Quiet Tech 4.3-Gallon Portable Electric Twin Stack Air Compressor

larry

-- Just a barn cat, now gone to cat heaven.

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t3steve

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#21 posted 10-11-2019 02:16 PM

I use a CO2 tank instead of a compressor. For low volume air tools like brad or finish nailers it works perfectly. Its also great for airing up tires etc. As long as you’re not using high volume air tools like Air ratchets or die grinders they last a really long time. Look at the nail gun chart on this page. All the advantages of air nailer without the compressor noise, but even makes your tools last longer because the air is totally dry ( no corrosion)

https://powertank.com/pages/tire-air-up-chart

I didn’t pay the big bucks for this brand. I just bought a generic regulator and got a used 10 lb aluminum, tank off craigslist. Easy to refill just exchange at Airgas or equivalent supplier

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