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Used SawStop Yes or No

by Volpar4
posted 08-24-2019 11:03 PM


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MrUnix

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#1 posted 08-24-2019 11:17 PM

I think for another couple hundred, you could buy a new one. The seller IMO is WAY overpriced.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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Volpar4

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#2 posted 08-24-2019 11:24 PM

True its only about 20% off. Also $600sh of extras blades ect.

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#3 posted 08-25-2019 12:17 AM

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#4 posted 08-25-2019 01:58 AM

Ok but not the same saw. The one I’m looking at is $4200 plus tax and shipping

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#5 posted 08-25-2019 02:03 AM

And the one I’m looking at is local no shipping and is out the door with tax for a little less than $3700 with extras.

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#6 posted 08-25-2019 02:09 AM

Either one would be awesome. Have fun with your new saw!

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#7 posted 08-25-2019 02:10 AM

No Way I would!

For 1, It is about 10 years old
2nd, they probably demo’d at least 20 dogs a year (easy) probably over 200 dogs.
3rd, asking way too much for a saw that has been abused by the testing, although it hasn’t been worked hard.

Just my opinion,
For the money you want to spend, you can save a little more and buy new.
but from your replies it sounds like you really want it.

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dbw

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#8 posted 08-25-2019 05:02 AM

IMHO it is WAY overpriced for its’ age and abuse. I hear the trunion takes a bit of a hit every time the brake trips.

I’m in the same boat you are in. I have been saving up for a Sawstop and I could at this time buy a used one but I’m going to wait until I have enough $ for a new one. When you buy used there is no guarantee it will work correctly. If you spend your money on used and it has issues you are stuck because now you don’t have enough for a new one and you have a 390 pound paperweight.

In addition there is a reason Sawstop redesigned the cartridge. There may be improvements in the blue cartridge.

-- measure 3 times, cut once

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#9 posted 08-25-2019 11:18 AM

I agree with the overpriced (by a lot) sentiment…..move on to the next choice.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#10 posted 08-25-2019 12:21 PM

Agreed. It’s just too much.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#11 posted 08-25-2019 02:35 PM

Call SawStop to ask about the wear & tear from the tests. Their Techs might tell you what to look for, and give you a fair price range.

-- Doug - As my Dad taught me, you're not a cabinet maker until you can hide your mistakes.

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Volpar4

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#12 posted 08-25-2019 02:35 PM

Ok i cant say the store or state the out the door is $3557 for ICS 3hp 52 with mobile base, 3 blades and 3 brakes and with a factory Sawstop warranty 1 year & 2 1/2 on motor.

If I were to buy these same new idem’s that’s over $5200. Some ruf public math that is about $1700 off, so not just a few hundred as suggested.

I think this is a lot money for a used saw, but I think this saw is meant to be a lifetime saw that you pass down.

So i guess the real question is what are people paying for used equivalent saw?
Has and one had problems trunnion after brake activation or after multiple brake activation?

IMHO $1700 is a lot off any thing but i need the last two question answered from crowd-sourcing.
And your opinions

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Volpar4

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#13 posted 08-25-2019 02:36 PM



Call SawStop to ask about the wear & tear from the tests. Their Techs might tell you what to look for, and give you a fair price range.

- rcs47


thank you good idea

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AndyJ1s

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#14 posted 08-25-2019 08:13 PM



...
I think this is a lot money for a used saw, but I think this saw is meant to be a lifetime saw that you pass down.
...
- Volpar4

Thinking about a fairly new technology machine, especially one including critical electronics, being a “lifetime saw that you pass down” is a bit of a risk… Technology is likely to advance significantly (and their specific implementation may not survive the patent expiration), rendering the ability to replace the critical part into the next generation (of family, not of equipment) highly questionable.

Old machines remain viable for a long time only because the technology is simple, robust, and not related to electronics.

If you wish to leave this saw to the next generation, be prepared to stockpile multiple cartridges.

Andy

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#15 posted 08-25-2019 09:15 PM

I agree with everything being said here. my opinion, for me the age of it, its overpriced even with the extras.
And the older tech, Older style cartridge. But calling saw stop directly and asking about that, may get you some acceptable answers that make this a better deal than what it seems at the moment. What are the real differences in the newer saws? And I see you are getting extra break cartridges. But why did they change them? Are any of them dado brake cartridges? I have had to many computer issues where items are no longer supported. so forced to buy newer model. Are the older brakes going to be available five years from now?
Good luck,

-- John

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#16 posted 08-26-2019 01:47 AM

Used industrial saws in my area (CT) sell for low 3000s and they almost certainly haven’t had 100 brakes trip. I’m in the “way too expensive” camp

I’d want a saw that was being used as it’s intended. I suspect these saws are engineered for tons of hours of use, not 100s of brake cartilages firing

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#17 posted 08-26-2019 03:05 AM

It’s an overpriced, over-age, over(wannabe)regulated SawStop. How much new Powermatic or Unisaw can one get for $3700?!?

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Volpar4

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#18 posted 08-26-2019 03:01 PM

I want to thank everybody for helping me see the forest through the trees but I feel like I’ve made a decision on not buying the saw. I believe my eyes were too big. I really do need a new tablesaw very badly timing finances and appetite never usually lineup. My budget is more grizzly maybe swing sawstop contractor that way I don’t hurt my family needs.

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clin

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#19 posted 08-26-2019 06:26 PM

Here’s another way to look at this. Do you want/need a Saw Stop ICS? Regardless how good a deal it is (or isn’t), for that money you could be getting a new PCS. Again, I know it’s not the same saw, but a PCS is a great saw.

An ICS would make sense in a production shop where it is being used hours and hours each day. If you’re more of a weekend warrior, then a PCS is plenty of saw.

-- Clin

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#20 posted 08-26-2019 06:41 PM



It’s an overpriced, over-age, over(wannabe)regulated SawStop. How much new Powermatic or Unisaw can one get for $3700?!?

- Rich07081

Read this post again…+1

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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#21 posted 09-09-2019 02:17 AM

I agree with all the other comments.
While the ICS is a very nice saw, for a hobbyist the 3hp PCS is still a beast of a saw.
I sold a 12 year old Delta table saw and bought the PCS for the safety feature, while I didn’t expect to get anything else from it it is just a better more pleasurable machine to use.
You can be happy with many different table saws, but right now there’s only one that won’t cut you.
Well worth the price.

-- Regards, Charlie in Rowlett, TX --------I talk to myself, because sometimes I need expert advice.---------

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#22 posted 09-09-2019 10:54 AM

For the price, I’d just go new. Do you “need” the industrial for some particular reason?

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Volpar4

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#23 posted 09-09-2019 02:15 PM

I didn’t need the ICS. I had been saving for a long time. Some expense always comes up. I stoped in the the store and there was a demo going on, and heard the saw on demo was for sale. I made a serious inquiry.
I did not buy the saw after all. But was the Motivation to open the wallet for the contractor saw. Happy days.

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coxhaus

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#24 posted 09-09-2019 03:12 PM

How well can you tune the Sawstop PCS vs the ICS?

I had an old Delta contractor saw and I never could tune it as well as my Unisaw.

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therealSteveN

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#25 posted 09-10-2019 09:13 AM

10 years old, even if it just sat there is way overpriced if it’s within spitting distance of a new tool with full warranty.

Plus that ages old end game, it could be someone else’s headache. If you are buying 50% or less from retail, then you may be able to buy plenty of Aspirin with that savings. I don’t know Sawstop, sounds like some of these guys do, and I’m hearing noises that you may not cover the gas to go get it.

Move on.

-- Think safe, be safe

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