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Band Saws

by Ironbar
posted 03-07-2019 10:14 PM


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jerkylips

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#1 posted 03-07-2019 10:26 PM

what kind of small projects? Just wondering if a scroll saw would be an option as well?

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MrUnix

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#2 posted 03-07-2019 10:34 PM

That little Delta for $75 ain’t a bad deal…

Generally, stay away from three wheel things, unknown or obscure brands, and Ryobi :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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Phil32

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#3 posted 03-07-2019 11:09 PM

One of the drawbacks of smaller band saws is the more frequent blade breakage due to metal fatigue. Smaller wheels flex the blade more than larger ones. That may be why we see no new models of 3-wheel band saws.

Then also, you have less throat capacity and less cutting depth. If your “small work” includes holes, a scroll saw may be a good choice.

-- Phil Allin - There are woodworkers and people who collect woodworking tools. The woodworkers have a chair to sit on that they made.

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CWWoodworking

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#4 posted 03-07-2019 11:14 PM

What are you making?

IMO, skip the baby and get a real from the start.

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Ironbar

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#5 posted 03-07-2019 11:15 PM


That little Delta for $75 ain t a bad deal…

Generally, stay away from three wheel things, unknown or obscure brands, and Ryobi :)

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

LOL! Funny you should mention that one! I texted the guy today asking about model number and age of the unit. He’s out of town until Sunday and then he’ll get back to me!

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Ironbar

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#6 posted 03-07-2019 11:16 PM



what kind of small projects? Just wondering if a scroll saw would be an option as well?

- jerkylips

Boxes, cutting boards, keepsakes.

-- How do you comfort a grammar nazi? "There, their, they're."

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#7 posted 03-09-2019 11:35 AM

Try the NEW Rikon 10” . It has a lot of big saw features in a smaller package. Have fun, work safely and good luck.

-- "Now I'm just another old guy wearing funny clothes"

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Blindhog

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#8 posted 03-09-2019 03:03 PM

I just purchased the new Rikon 10” (10-305) and it is a good value for the money. Well made and has some features typically not found on small saws. Woodcraft has it on sale right now. If that is within your budget it would be a good choice.

-- Don't let perfection get in the way of plenty good enough

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BB1

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#9 posted 03-09-2019 03:22 PM

I’m looking into a bandsaw purchase as well – ran across this video that compares the two Rikons
https://youtu.be/ueB4zSCr6V4

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#10 posted 03-09-2019 07:49 PM

Three wheel bandsaws flex the blade more, in more than one way…

1. They use smaller diameter wheels.
2. They bend the blade around an additional (3rd) wheel.

Every time that blade changes from straight to curved (or back), is taking life out of the blade. And the smaller the wheel diameter, the smaller the bending radius applied to the blade, and then straightened out again as the blade leaves the wheel.

Andy

-- Andy - Arlington TX

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#11 posted 03-09-2019 11:08 PM


That little Delta for $75 ain t a bad deal…

Generally, stay away from three wheel things, unknown or obscure brands, and Ryobi :)

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

At a glance that looks like it might be an 8” delta. If so be aware that it has some of the same disadvantages as the 3 wheelers in that it bends the blades pretty tightly. It does use almost all metal parts which is a plus. I have one that I picked up for $40 in good shape.

I also have a 9” Ryobi that has seen daily use for about 6 years. It has it’s shortcomings but it is actually more saw than the delta IMO, mostly by virtue of having a little bigger wheels.

As the wheels get smaller and smaller blade choice gets kind of fussy. IME, you need to stick with blades thinner blades and finer teeth than you might think make sense. On the 8” i only use the specific sizes they suggest and not even the wider and coarser of those.

I have the two little bandsaws and a 14” bandsaw and they all get used pretty much every day.

BTW, I agree that the 10” Ryobi looks like a nice saw for someone who doesn’t want to spring for the Rikon, but wants a nicer little saw.

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Ironbar

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#12 posted 03-13-2019 09:27 PM


That little Delta for $75 ain t a bad deal…

Generally, stay away from three wheel things, unknown or obscure brands, and Ryobi :)

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

At a glance that looks like it might be an 8” delta. If so be aware that it has some of the same disadvantages as the 3 wheelers in that it bends the blades pretty tightly. It does use almost all metal parts which is a plus. I have one that I picked up for $40 in good shape.

I also have a 9” Ryobi that has seen daily use for about 6 years. It has it s shortcomings but it is actually more saw than the delta IMO, mostly by virtue of having a little bigger wheels.

As the wheels get smaller and smaller blade choice gets kind of fussy. IME, you need to stick with blades thinner blades and finer teeth than you might think make sense. On the 8” i only use the specific sizes they suggest and not even the wider and coarser of those.

I have the two little bandsaws and a 14” bandsaw and they all get used pretty much every day.

BTW, I agree that the 10” Ryobi looks like a nice saw for someone who doesn t want to spring for the Rikon, but wants a nicer little saw.

- PeteStaehling

The seller finally contacted me. It was indeed an 8” Delta, so I passed based on what I read here!

-- How do you comfort a grammar nazi? "There, their, they're."

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Ironbar

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#13 posted 03-13-2019 11:03 PM

If I could ask the consensus of the group here, what do you guys think of this one:

https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/tls/d/portland-craftsman-band-saw/6840107530.html

It’s a Craftsman Model 119.214000 10”.

Thanks!

-- How do you comfort a grammar nazi? "There, their, they're."

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0331reaperguns

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#14 posted 03-14-2019 12:29 AM

My first band saw was a Wen 3962 and I love that thing. Perfect for small projects and the price is fantastic. Have used it for everything, including re-sawing hardwood.

-Matt

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#15 posted 03-14-2019 03:43 AM

I am still using a craftsman that is over 30 years old. I am a serious woodworker and it works for me. They were state of the art back then.

-- Michael Dilday, Suffolk, Va.

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#16 posted 03-14-2019 03:58 AM

Given all the above, which is all about right in my experience – I would advise you to get the new 10” Rikon because I think you will be able to use it for many years, and then sell it rather easily.

BUT – for $95 this 10” Sears saw is a good budget conscience choice, assuming it is in overall good shape, as it appears to be. I believe that the 10” Sears is the same machine as the 10” Rikon, but maybe with some alternate replaceable parts here and there.


If I could ask the consensus of the group here, what do you guys think of this one:

https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/tls/d/portland-craftsman-band-saw/6840107530.html

It s a Craftsman Model 119.214000 10”.

Thanks!

- Ironbar

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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William Falberg

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#17 posted 04-30-2019 03:24 AM

I’ve made 3 wheeled bandsaws for twenty years now and the last time my saws had a blade-breakage problem was twenty years ago. I started with 8” Delta wheels from their three-wheeled bench top. They were cheap ($17) and worked well enough, but I had an occasional break (at the weld) and forced me to design my own cast aluminum wheels in response. It helped, but still, an occasional break. So I got to testing by just running saws on the bench pins , without blade guides, all day and night until they popped. I got tired of waiting and started simulating on-the-job variables; with blade guides rolling against the blade. Bang! Pop! Poof! I started breaking blades after an hour or two. The only conclusion I could derive was the brief passage around the blade guide rollers. When I backed off the blade guide rollers to where they didn’t contact the blade at all, the blades quit breaking. When I explained that to my customers I stopped receiving any reports of broken blades. It’s been this way for twenty years. Yet the old wives tales go on. It was never about 3 wheels or smaller wheels. It’s always been about customers who got burned by cheaply made bench-top bandsaws from manufacturers who thought (and still do) that 1000 pounds of cast iron is the best way to reduce vibration. They also thought (and still think) that blade transport wheels should serve as flywheels (like a steam engine,—really! ) What I found out is the best way to eliminate vibration is to balance the wheels ; and that balanced wheels don’t flap at any tension if the tension spring is supplying a constant load to the blade. That said: you can get a lot from those old basket cases if you know how blades work and learn how to reset and sharpen your own. Blades are what the bandsaw is all about. Blade transport systems are what the wheels are all about. I use CAD machined 6061 aluminum wheels with crowns exactly equal to the radius of the wheels.

-- http://www.falbergsaws.com

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