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ash wood

by knotdust
posted 01-09-2019 06:02 PM


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BlueRidgeDog

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#1 posted 01-09-2019 07:22 PM

Ash is good wood. If you are asking so you can have wood to use or give away, then certainly. If you are asking if you should do it as an economic venture, then probably not as the per unit cost of the end result will be a bit high.

If I had some 6’ plus ash logs on the ground on my property I would certainly have them sawed up and stacked to dry.

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#2 posted 01-09-2019 07:49 PM

Ash works well and looks great IMO. It’d be really cool to make some furniture from wood felled on your own property. It’d be worth an inquiry to see what it’d cost to mill some up in your neck of the woods.

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#3 posted 01-09-2019 07:58 PM

I certainly would, I like ash (a lot). Ash is like oak, but having a good day.

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#4 posted 01-10-2019 11:10 PM

Most of the ash cut has been damaged by the ash borer and is fit only for firewood. However there are 2 trees that my brother in law thought might be good for lumber. They look solid and are nice and straight for close to 20 ft. The one is close to 20’’ at the butt end and the other maybe 15” I’ll have to see whether I can find someone with a portable mill that would be willing to come in and set up for a couple trees. I may be able to come up with a red oak and a couple wild cherry as well. Sure wouldn’t mind having some wood drying for some projects during my retirement years. will have to look at my brothers section of the woods too. Maybe we can come up with a couple more.

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#5 posted 01-11-2019 12:08 AM

Will the beetle get into felled trees / boards?

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#6 posted 01-11-2019 12:21 AM

I thought that the emerald ash borer only damaged the inner bark, killing trees by girdling them. I would have thought then that more of your trees would be good for lumber, as long as they were straight. Of course, once an ash tree dies to the borer, other insects start damaging the tree itself, so if the trees were standing dead they’d gradually deteriorate.

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#7 posted 01-11-2019 01:21 AM

Re: damage done by emerald ash borer… I’m not a botanist so I don’t know what I don’t know, but I do know that I’ve had great results from borer-killed ash that I’ve harvested, planked, dried, and used. On trees that are standing dead there will eventually be some spalting but this is before going soft from rot. Use it if you got it, especially if the price is right.

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#8 posted 01-11-2019 03:07 AM

Agree, in fact I have a sawyer coming Saturday to cut up a 20” ash that I had taken down last week. The last batch I has cut had some interesting spalting and coloration. I plan to have this one quarter sawn to 8/4

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#9 posted 01-11-2019 03:08 AM

I use Ash alot, Id love to see a picture of the trees and or fallen trees.
Do you have available?
Kind Regards
Anth

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#10 posted 01-11-2019 05:27 AM

The Emerald Ash borer that causes the death of the Ask trees is done when Mom lays eggs, usually in the creases in an Ash trees bark. When they hatch, they start eating the inner bark of ash trees, disrupting the tree’s ability to transport water and nutrients. Tree dies, once dead they quit using the tree, and the young exit their family restaurant at 1 to 2 years. Once dead you could transport the beetles still inside the tree, and potentially spread the insect. This is why you sometimes see the moving of them prohibited. The wood is safe to use, and if you keep it near other species you won’t have a problem, as they seem to like Ash.

North Carolina has a good info page here.

Another good site.

As far as using Ash, it machines very well, is quite hard, yet has a bit of elasticity. Think Ball bats, tool handles, like shovels, axes. For furniture it’s open grain looks a lot like Oak, works a little better than Oak, finishes well, and has been one of America’s most used trees. Lately prices are getting weird, some sellers using the “there won’t be any more Ash” This isn’t a known fact. Anyhow using that panic selling I have heard of $20 per bd/ft, which is crazy money. One of the best reasons Ash is so popular is it’s always been quite affordable. Always less than $4.00 bd/ft.

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#11 posted 01-11-2019 12:49 PM

Thank you all for your responses. You have all been most helpful. Now the thing is to find someone reasonably close with a portable mill to come have a look at it and see whether they would be interested in cutting it for me and how much. I have all the time I need since I am now among the retired. Just not sure whether it will be something I can afford to do. There used to be a moratorium in Ohio for the movement of ash but since it is in all counties that moratorium has been lifted.

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#12 posted 01-11-2019 02:13 PM



I use Ash alot, Id love to see a picture of the trees and or fallen trees.
Do you have available?
Kind Regards
Anth

- anthm27


I’ll try to take some photos tomorrow morning before he mills the lumber. Here in PA they are easy to identify- they are all of the dead ones! EAB has really Wiped them out.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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anthm27

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#13 posted 01-12-2019 12:05 AM


I use Ash alot, Id love to see a picture of the trees and or fallen trees.
Do you have available?
Kind Regards
Anth

- anthm27

I’ll try to take some photos tomorrow morning before he mills the lumber. Here in PA they are easy to identify- they are all of the dead ones! EAB has really Wiped them out.

- TungOil

Ok interesting, I didnt know about the EAB
Cheers
and look forward to the pics.

-- To be a true artist one must stick to their own thought process

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knotdust

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#14 posted 01-12-2019 03:57 AM

I have 2 possibilities of portable mills. I stopped at a local business place to buy some chain. I had stretched and torn mine over the years and needed to get another one. I always like to purchase from a local business rather than a big box store if possible. The counter guy found out what I was doing and gave me his grandfathers phone number. His grandfather has a portable mill. And later on during the day I was on the phone with another man on some business and he offered me his portable mill to use. I have no way to transport it though. Will let you guys know how it all turns out.

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TungOil

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#15 posted 01-12-2019 01:37 PM

Here’s a photo of an ash log ready for the bandsaw mill. For reference this log is a bit over 12’ Long and about 24” at the base.

Here’s a close up of what the bark looks like.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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TungOil

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#16 posted 01-12-2019 10:13 PM

Here’s the log above being sawn in 8/4 quarter and rift sawn material. First we cut a flat reference face, then quartered the log.

Here’s the yield from one log. My estimate is about 100 bd ft usable material.

And this is one of the culprits that is killing all of the ash trees around here- EAB.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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knotdust

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#17 posted 01-12-2019 11:31 PM

looks like my log except mine is about 20’ long. Nice pile of lumber too. Hope I can get mine cut up like that.

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anthm27

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#18 posted 01-13-2019 12:26 AM



Here’s the log above being sawn in 8/4 quarter and rift sawn material. First we cut a flat reference face, then quartered the log.

And this is one of the culprits that is killing all of the ash trees around here- EAB.

- TungOil

Great Pics TungOil, really good to see all those pics and see how its done there in Pennsylvania
Thanks again
Regards
Anthony

-- To be a true artist one must stick to their own thought process

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