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Upgrade table saw or add a new jointer to garage shop?

by joeIWD
posted 12-20-2018 03:43 PM


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trhoppe

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#1 posted 12-20-2018 03:48 PM

New table saw 100%. You can make a jointer sled really easily ($10 – $50 depending on niceness), and between that and a planer, you’re good to go.

The jointer is more of a convenience/speed factor than a necessary tool. Once you have a badass table saw, and decide you want some efficiency, grab a jointer.

But you can do all of the same things as a jointer, in a touch more time, with a table saw/sled/planer. And have a badass table saw for all the other tasks

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Sludgeguy

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#2 posted 12-20-2018 04:14 PM

If you watch Craigslist and are patient I think you can pick up both. I shoot for a saw with a cast iron table and an 8” jointer. I picked up an older 6” Jet jointer for $100 that’s still in use today.

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Sludgeguy

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#3 posted 12-20-2018 04:24 PM

I just checked my local Craigslist. Ridgid contractor’s table saw with cast iron table plus a 6” Ridgid jointer for $850. Both look clean. You’ll have $150 left over for a nice thin kerf blade. I’ll think you’ll enjoy milling your own lumber. Good luck.

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jonah

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#4 posted 12-20-2018 05:05 PM

$850 for a Ridgid contractor saw and jointer is not a good deal, by the way. The R4512 is ~$500 new, and the jointer was similar, though I think it’s discontinued. Most of the contractor saws sell for $200-$300 used, and I’d expect about the same for a used jointer.

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Aj2

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#5 posted 12-20-2018 05:15 PM

Get a jointer table saws are stupid. :)
Unless you like making your projects out of plywood then get a stupid tabkesaw. :(

-- Aj

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joeIWD

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#6 posted 12-20-2018 05:17 PM

OK, thanks a lot. I was thinking along the same lines that a better table saw is the better upgrade route. Now just need to decide on which one to get!

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TungOil

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#7 posted 12-20-2018 05:43 PM

Accurate Woodworking from rough cut lumber absolutely starts with a jointer. Without a flat reference face you cannot achieve accurate dimensions or joints. And before someone mentions the “planer sled” option forget that, it’s a makeshift work-around that works marginally at best. Get the jointer.

I agree with the advice to watcH CL for deals. Nothing wrong with starting out with a 6” jointer (contrary to popular myth). If you can find (and have room for) an 8” jointer all the better.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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Monty151

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#8 posted 12-20-2018 06:40 PM

I second going with the jointer. If you can still manage with your current TS a jointer will open up more possibilities. As some have suggested Craigslist is a good resource for used tools to fit within you budget.

Happy building and stay safe

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MrFid

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#9 posted 12-20-2018 07:01 PM

$1000 should cover both machines if you’re smart about it pretty easily. I bought a Ridgid Table saw (like the 4512) on Craigslist for $250 or so, and a 6 inch Jet jointer for about the same. They have both served me quite well so far. Ideally I’d like them both to be upgraded at some point but for now they are both terrific.
One point about planer sleds is that while in theory they seem great, I found the one I made to be finicky and troublesome. It quickly led to my purchase of a jointer hahah! Could be just me though. I know some people use them without trouble.

EDIT: If you post a general location there are people on here who will scope out CL deals for you based on the info you’ve provided.

-- Bailey F - Eastern Mass.

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joeIWD

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#10 posted 12-20-2018 07:14 PM

I’m scouring craigslist right now, I’m also looking through facebook. I saw a 6” rikon jointer the other day for 280, I’m so pissed I hesitated. It was sold in less than a day. Just found a ridgid r4512 for 425 in close to new condition. That might be the one.

I’m in Tampa, FL if anyone has one of these machines and is looking to upgrade!

Thanks for the advice

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bondogaposis

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#11 posted 12-20-2018 07:30 PM

Upgrade the saw first. You can joint one edge well enough with hand planes to run through the saw easily, I did it for many years before I bought a jointer.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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Andybb

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#12 posted 12-20-2018 07:44 PM

IMO it’s a toss up. You’re gonna want both eventually so it depends on which one you CURRENTLY feel you need the most. Everybody will have an opinion but only you know what’s in that little woodworkers head of yours and what projects you envision doing in the near future. Then you can post the same question as it refers to bandsaws. :-)

Personally, I’d upgrade the table saw but that is only because I have no idea what you want to do with it and know what I’d do.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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Andybb

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#13 posted 12-20-2018 07:50 PM

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-- Andy - Seattle USA

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MrFid

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#14 posted 12-20-2018 07:57 PM

I’d aim for that one:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/tls/d/grizzly-6-in-jointer/6769601253.html

-- Bailey F - Eastern Mass.

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Sludgeguy

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#15 posted 12-20-2018 08:50 PM

If you’re in Tampa be patient…good deals are pretty prevalent there. Check Craigslist in Lakeland too.

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#16 posted 12-20-2018 09:33 PM


I m scouring craigslist right now, I m also looking through facebook. I saw a 6” rikon jointer the other day for 280, I m so pissed I hesitated. It was sold in less than a day. Just found a ridgid r4512 for 425 in close to new condition. That might be the one.

I m in Tampa, FL if anyone has one of these machines and is looking to upgrade!

Thanks for the advice

- joeIWD

If you have 220v, many of the 3hp industrial cabinet saws have the same footprint size as a hybrid saw, but offer much more robust mechanical parts as well as about twice the motor power.

Ridgid jointer $200 – https://orlando.craigslist.org/tls/d/ridgid-planer-jointer/6772899711.html

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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jonah

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#17 posted 12-20-2018 09:43 PM

$475 for a 6” jointer, even in these tariff-price-inflated times, is a complete ripoff. Keep looking, you’ll find something.

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iamwelty

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#18 posted 12-22-2018 08:03 AM

The absolutely best thing that ever happened to me was when my cheap direct drive Craftsman table saw died a screaching, smoking death when it’s motor seized up. I was able to replace it with a new Ridgid R4511 granite top saw for under $300 when they were being discontinued by Home Depot. When I was ready to replace my tiny Delta table top jointer, the same thing happened. I was able to pick up a floor model Ridgid jointer from HD as they were being discontinued also. Rarely am I lucky like that, but hit two home runs…

-- There is a fine line between eroticism and nausea...

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WoodenDreams

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#19 posted 12-22-2018 08:29 AM

The G0771Z is what I have. The most used piece of equipment, next to my edge sander and router table. You can do jointing with a table saw. a jointer is nice, but, upgrading the table saw is such a big difference, You’ll notice that right away.

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OSU55

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#20 posted 12-22-2018 12:17 PM

Definetly a TS. My planer sled works wonderfully, it is a cheap, quick work around, and in some cases – wide boards, better than a jointer. Built very nice furniture without a pwr jointer, edge jointing for glue ups is done with a hand plane, which will give a better joint than jointer imo.

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knotscott

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#21 posted 12-22-2018 10:35 PM


The G0771Z is what I have. The most used piece of equipment, next to my edge sander and router table. You can do jointing with a table saw. a jointer is nice, but, upgrading the table saw is such a big difference, You ll notice that right away.

- WoodenDreams

While I agree with you that a good TS upgrade is the way to go in his case, it’s important to note that a TS can only do edge jointing, not face jointing to make the face flat. Without a flat reference face, the resulting edge won’t necessarily be a consistent 90° to the face…especially important for newbies to know.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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WoodenDreams

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#22 posted 12-23-2018 02:05 AM

I do face surfacing on a planer, I do have a jointer, Not too often do I need to start a face joint on the jointer, just a matter of picky when you select your boards.

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Charlie H.

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#23 posted 12-23-2018 04:36 AM

I think the Griz 771 is such a huge upgrade to your current tablesaw that’s it’s almost a no brainer to get it.
Don’t wait, invest in a very good blade. If I cut plywood more often I might prefer something different, but for solid wood I am thrilled with the Forrest WWII 40 tooth #1 grind.
Once the saw is aligned you can build an edge joint sled and it will work fine.
You can use a sled and face joint boards with the planer too.
A jointer is very nice to have but I got by without one for many years.
Having a tablesaw that is tuned to be square and repeatable is indispensable IMO.

-- Regards, Charlie in Rowlett, TX --------I talk to myself, because sometimes I need expert advice.---------

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William Shelley

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#24 posted 12-23-2018 10:55 AM



I do face surfacing on a planer, I do have a jointer, Not too often do I need to start a face joint on the jointer, just a matter of picky when you select your boards.

- WoodenDreams

This won’t guarantee you straight boards. A planer just makes things consistent thickness, it won’t remove warp, twist, or bow from a piece of lumber.

-- Woodworking from an engineer's perspective

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Woodbum

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#25 posted 12-23-2018 12:41 PM

Table saw first.

-- "Now I'm just another old guy wearing funny clothes"

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dannmarks

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#26 posted 12-23-2018 01:28 PM

Did you look into the the jointer for sale that is $200? $200 is nothing compared to the suffering you are going to deal with by not having one. That leaves you with plenty of money left and lot’s of time ahead of you for the saw upgrade. You can easily have your cake and eat it too. Not taking action is a failure. Jointers are very important so just go get this ASAP. Later you can always resell it for at least that much if you want a bigger one. I started with a 4” Jointer and at least I could glue up boards properly. When you start buying wood and think of your personal time $200 is so cheap.

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bigJohninvegas

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#27 posted 12-23-2018 02:22 PM

So I would say a good table saw is essential. However avoid the ridgid r4512. While it is affordable it has many issues. I have one, and after upgrading the fence and wings it has turned into a nice saw. But for the money I have in it, I could have bought the grizzly new, or a good used saw on CL. And saved myself a lot of headache.
I also have a older model (Emerson) Ridgid 6” jointer. Picked it on CL a few years back for $140. So keep looking, Like that Rikon you missed. The deals are out there.
So I got my jointer early when I was a newer woodworker. Thought I had to have it, and it was a great deal on it. And it is handy to have and works very good. However, for as little as I actually use it. I could have got a Jointer hand plane and saved some shop space.
Also, check out this video on how to use a table saw as a jointer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5KHIAVUlpI
Upgrade that table saw 1st. you can get by fine without the jointer for now.

-- John

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