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Need help with saw ID

by DaMetalStratGuy
posted 12-14-2018 02:48 PM


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#1 posted 12-14-2018 04:28 PM

It will be exceedingly difficult to ID that saw in the absence of either an etch or distinctive medallion (from your photos it appears to be a simple dome).

I doubt that the saw is any older than the ‘40s or 50s.

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#2 posted 12-15-2018 06:32 PM

Ah I see….. I was told if I was to try to remove the rust from the washer like part around that one bolt there might be a company name stamped on there, I’m not sure how true this is though. The guy who told me had previously said he didn’t know too much about saws so I’m not certain he knew what he was talking about. Would it be worth the effort to remove the rus on there? Or even to try to do a full restoration?

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#3 posted 12-15-2018 06:51 PM

The side that’s facing up in the second picture should have a brand etching in the metal about in the middle. Start sanding it with some wd 40 as lube until you start to see shiny metal. The mark should come up then. And no, it doesn’t look old or valuable – sorry.

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#4 posted 12-15-2018 10:16 PM


... I was told if I was to try to remove the rust from the washer like part around that one bolt there might be a company name stamped on there, I’m not sure how true this is though.

- DaMetalStratGuy

I’m guessing you misunderstood what that person told you.
The rust removal would apply to gingerly cleaning the blade (as mentioned above).
This may reveal logo/words (an “etch”) on the blade itself.

btw – that “one bolt” is commonly called the “medallion”, and is typically more ornate.

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#5 posted 12-16-2018 09:18 PM


I m guessing you misunderstood what that person told you…....

.......btw – that “one bolt” is commonly called the “medallion”, and is typically more ornate.
- Johnny7

Yea I probably did misunderstand him tbh. Alot of stuff goes over my head

Would it be normal for there to be a bolt through the medallion? Or should it be “set” into the handle?

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#6 posted 12-16-2018 09:22 PM



The side that s facing up in the second picture should have a brand etching in the metal about in the middle. Start sanding it with some wd 40 as lube until you start to see shiny metal. The mark should come up then. And no, it doesn t look old or valuable – sorry.

- dhazelton

Yep, just started on that today! Should I sand till its silver, or just till the metal has more of a luster?

And though it would of been nice, I don’t really mind the lack of value. Just trying to keep it going so it can be passed down for as many generations as possible.

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#7 posted 12-16-2018 09:39 PM

Has a D-23 look to it….doen’t it…say about 1955 era? Etch may have also been a black silkscreen set up…

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#8 posted 12-17-2018 05:48 AM

This is after about 4 amassed hours of sanding and some light buffing….. Still ain’t seeing much but at least it’s something.

I thought it said “Stanley” on the blade at first but after some more sanding it looked more like “States”. I see what looks like a decent amount of more writing but it all looks super faded, and I didn’t want to risk sanding it off so I’m gonna postpone sanding that side of the blade anymore till I can get some finer sand paper.

The medallion doesnt seem to have much on it…. theres what looks like some small numbers or letters but they are rather hard to see. I’m probably gonna work on that once I get finer paper as well.

I plan on going to the hardware store soon anyhow to get stuff for some other projects so it shouldn’t be long till I can continue with the sanding on those parts but until then I’ll just work on the other side of the blade and all the bolts and bolt caps.

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#9 posted 12-17-2018 09:46 AM

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#10 posted 12-17-2018 10:17 AM

Ask Whoa! ... almost got me …deleted.

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#11 posted 12-17-2018 08:01 PM

The 8 is teeth per inch. If you have some gun bluing around you can rub some on that etch area with a q tip and things should get more readable. The nuts on the handle should unscrew so you can remove the wooden handle but I don’t see how without a kerf on the back side.

Only etch I could find close on google image search was an Electric City STANDARD, maybe that’s the STA you see.

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#12 posted 12-18-2018 06:12 AM

OK…... I posted some pics of the saw in a woodworking discord server I am in and one of the members there was able to help me he was able to give me a company name AND he linked this ebay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Hand-Saw-GREAT-STATE-SAW-CO-/201921300409?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720#viTabs_0

I’m pretty sure thats the same model (still not quite sure of a model number) as the saw I have. Seeing what the etch should look like I have been staring at this saw panel for a good hour and I can see the features that are there. They are very faded, but they are there.

I’m going to try that gun bluing thing I think. Once I get some time and money to spare I will definitely sit down and do that.

I’m honestly very happy about this

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#13 posted 12-18-2018 06:15 AM

Also, here are some pics of the saw after all my work on it up to earlier tonight.

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#14 posted 12-18-2018 03:20 PM

Ah – the nuts are kerfed after all. Couldn’t see that in the first pics.

Nice. Simonds made good saws. A coat of paste wax will help keep rust from starting again. Once you find one or two old saws, you start finding them everywhere. I once got a box of them at a yard sale for a couple dollars. Then a week later a box lot of old tools was mine at an auction for $2.50 and that had a half dozen saws in it. It’s always fun to uncover that etch.

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#15 posted 12-18-2018 03:33 PM


Nice. Simonds made good saws.

- dhazelton

Did Simonds make these saws?

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#16 posted 12-19-2018 02:40 PM

From what I have read they bought BAY STATE, not Great State. If that is a Bay State it is no later than the 1930s as that’s when Simonds stopped making handsaws.

http://www.woodworkforums.com/f152/simonds-story-188082

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#17 posted 12-20-2018 03:00 AM



If that is a Bay State it is no later than the 1930s as that s when Simonds stopped making handsaws.

http://www.woodworkforums.com/f152/simonds-story-188082

- dhazelton

As a Simonds fanatic/collector, I feel the need to correct this information.

Simonds ceased hand saw manufacturing in 1926.

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