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Miter saws with no/less back of saw space requirement

by Smorgasbord
posted 12-04-2018 05:35 PM


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therealSteveN

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#1 posted 12-04-2018 08:44 PM

I had heard of a Bosch Glide a few years before the Kapex. Festool has a lot of tools introduced in Europe for a while before here, so it’s possible they were made longer, but Bosch leaps into Europe as well. I do think one or the other of them was first in the space saver line.

I am thinking Delta also has a space saver as well, the Cruzer, though they have seemingly forever lost their place in the marketing chain, due to crappy choices with product lines since being bought by B&D. CHANG TYPE Industrial Co., Ltd. has it’s work cut out for a Chinese company to bring back to greatness what Delta once was as a tool making giant. IOW they aren’t on anyone’s radar as good tools anymore.

The Makita doesn’t save any space, they say their shorter bars just stop deflection more than a longer bar, which would be true. It’s also why a miter saw, especially a sliding, articulated, or other word for it’s action never really does give accurate, or repeatable cuts like a TS and a sled can, this provided the sled is well made, and has no slop. The miter saws have so many moving parts they tend to wag like a dogs tail, especially in those who yank the blade through.

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Gene Howe

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#2 posted 12-04-2018 11:32 PM

My Bosch Glider has been going great for over five years. It’s used every day. It hasn’t lost a fraction of a degree of accuracy at any angle of which it’s capable.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#3 posted 12-04-2018 11:56 PM

I went to the 12” Bosch and love everything about it. I do not have even one thing to complain about with this machine.

My old Dewalt 12” compound miter – not a slider – was about to go up for local sale, when I decided it was just very nice to have to to take outside the shop and use in other locations. Now I am often quite happy to have it, and use it, but I don’t have a good place for it to be stored. It sits behind my table saw, and I have to step over it or around to from time to time. ;-D

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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#4 posted 12-05-2018 02:27 AM

+1 for the Bosch Glider. I bought the 12” a few months ago. It was spot on out of the box and has performed flawlessly since I got it.

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Smorgasbord

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#5 posted 12-06-2018 07:49 AM


The Makita doesn t save any space, they say their shorter bars just stop deflection more than a longer bar, which would be true.

Makita’s product page (https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/LS1219L ) says: ”Unique 2-Steel Rail Sliding System design offers single slide-glide operation; reduced saw footprint allows operation flush against a wall.

The Makitta’s 60 degree max miter angle is larger than the Bosch. I like that the Bosch fence has slotted holes for attaching sacrificial fences. Without a review of the Makita, however, it’s going to be hard for me to know which is more accurate. I would rather not buy both and then have to return the less accurate saw.


It’s also why a miter saw, especially a sliding, articulated, or other word for it’s action never really does give accurate, or repeatable cuts like a TS and a sled can

I build everything from jewlery boxes and picture frame to furniture to house trim. Tablesaw sleds are great for small to medium size things, but not so great for really long and/or heavy pieces of wood, such as the stiles on a full size entry door or 17’ long crown or baseboard molding.

I believe my expectations are in line with the capabilities – and my primary concern is choosing between the Bosch and Makita 12” saws, based primarily on accuracy.

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therealSteveN

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#6 posted 12-06-2018 08:49 AM

I’ve never seen this Makita. I just have read reviews. Nobody here has carried Makita much since they put out a lot of low quality tools back in the 90’s

I know Chris Marshall, and he doesn’t say stuff like that if it’s not what he heard. I think what you have is some flowery review done by a Makita copy writer, who is paid to make it sing and dance. but likely has never laid hands on the tool itself.

It doesn’t really save space — the saw measures about 26-1⁄2″ from the table’s front legs to the back of the posts when extended — but Makita says shorter posts help ensure against deflection

I’m happy for you if you feel a miter saw is high tech. I and countless others just view them as rough cut off tools.

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#7 posted 12-06-2018 08:54 AM

Have had Bosch 12” glider for about 3 years and am completely satisfied.
Before purchasing read many reviews. Too heavy – no problem, it’s going to stay in my shop. Poor dust collection – no problem; haven’t seen a miter saw yet with great dust collection. Too expensive – no problem; a good tool is worth it (Festool ?). But no reviews citing poor cut quality, blade deflection, motor failure or problems with glide mechanism. Any time I have used a saw with laser it was just distracting, so don’t miss that. Have checked for square and seems fine. It’s not unusual to sometimes have to tweak some part of a build anyway.

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#8 posted 12-06-2018 02:14 PM

I have the Delta Cruzer 10” and really like it (no, not as accurate as the Dewalt 12” non-slider it replaced, but this is for wide boards and plywood; miters are cut on a TS sled). However, I got it for about half the normal price when they introduced them last year. I think they’re back to being comparable in cost to the Bosch, in which case I’d vote Bosch.

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#9 posted 12-06-2018 04:15 PM

I have an old B&D 10” chop saw and it is as accurate as a chop saw can be. I bought it new and it cost less than $100. It has served me well all these years. I don’t see any reason to replace it. I have all kinds of saws in my shop, so if I want accuracy, I use my table saw and sled. The chop saw is used for rough cuts like on 2×4’s. There are too many moving parts on a SCMS for it to be a precision cutting machine. The more moving parts involved, the less accuracy you will get. That is a plain and simple fact of machines.

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Smorgasbord

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#10 posted 12-06-2018 05:48 PM



I think what you have is some flowery review done by a Makita copy writer, who is paid to make it sing and dance. but likely has never laid hands on the tool itself.

No, what’s going on here is that you’re confusing 2015 models with sliding rails (as in that old Marshall review article) with the newer 2017/2018 models with a different design involving fixed forward facing rails. All the models I’m discussing in this thread do save space behind the saw. Check out my earlier link for not only “flowery” descriptions, but pictures and dimensions.

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#11 posted 12-07-2018 03:04 PM

Another vote for the Bosch 12” glider. I’ve had it for two years now and as others have stated, it works flawlessly right out of the box. I continue to be impressed with its accuracy.

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jimintx

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#12 posted 12-07-2018 03:12 PM

... ... I believe my expectations are in line with the capabilities – and my primary concern is choosing between the Bosch and Makita 12” saws, based primarily on accuracy.
- Smorgasbord

This quoted sentence you wrote seems to sum up the real question you have posed. You have refined it down to the question: you want to get an accuracy comparison between the “Bosch and Makita 12” saws”.

You asked about the Makita LS1019L, which is a 10” saw, and is newly offered. There are not many reviews of it, and it seems that few people have actually seen that one. On the Toolnut site, it has 8 reviews and most like it a lot, while a couple express disappointment.

The competing Bosch 12” knuckle saw is widely reviewed with favorable comments, yet there are reviews that have cons to point out. It is true to say that such mixed comments are the case for essentially every woodworking tool that exists.

It is my own opinion that you are seeking a degree of accuracy that doesn’t really exist in one miter saw for all wood-cutting uses “from jewlery boxes and picture frame to furniture to house trim”, which might include “17’ long crown or baseboard molding”.

At this point you are facing a decision to select a saw for a very wide array of uses, based on your own assessment of the two options. Maybe you already have a standing opinion of the two brands involved. Most of us do have brands we like and tend to trust, and others we skip over.

Whatever you select, I hope you will come back to this thread and let us know your findings abut it. If you choose the new Makita we will all want to know about it. If it is the Bosch, it will be a saw that already has a huge fan base, and no one would say it was ill-conceived to pick that model.

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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YesHaveSome

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#13 posted 12-07-2018 05:05 PM

I’d be weary of the Makita. The Wood Whisperer got one and it had a flaw that wouldnt allow a straight cut. He sent it back and got another and it had the same problem. The issue was that the bars werent straight. You could set the blade to 90 but the bars angled oh so slightly. They may have fixed it but figured I’d pass it along.

I have the Bosch glide and it’s a nice saw. The dust collection is non existent though.

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Smorgasbord

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#14 posted 12-07-2018 07:14 PM


You asked about the Makita LS1019L, which is a 10” saw, and is newly offered.

Actually, the model I’m considering is the 12” version that’s even newer: model #LS1219l

Local store to me has the Bosch on special, so I may be tempted this weekend to try it and have the 30 day money back refund policy in case.

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