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Red oak split after resawing

by BadWolfBrewing
posted 12-01-2018 07:14 PM


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BadWolfBrewing

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#1 posted 12-01-2018 07:36 PM

Edit: the idea was a frame with 3/4 oak, and vertical slats from 3/8 oak.

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#2 posted 12-01-2018 07:50 PM

Sounds like a micro fracture. Might I suggest the alternate wood choice of alder? It is superior to red oak in every way.

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#3 posted 12-01-2018 08:16 PM

Looks like I can find alder locally, but it’s a bit of a drive.

Can these micro fractures be spotted in the rough lumber? I looked the boards over but might have missed something. This lumber dealer doesn’t have much in the way of climate control, everything is out in a barn in lower Michigan.

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#4 posted 12-01-2018 09:07 PM

sounds like the boards had a small fracture or split. I’d glue them back together, since they’re 7/16”. I’ve seen people glue together 1/8” stock. after you glue them back, recheck the boards to see if you think the boards are holding to reuse.

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#5 posted 12-01-2018 10:13 PM

I would make the baby gate stronger. Speaking from experience, they will be rattling the gate sooner or later and combining on it.

Lately, the answer to all wood questions is Alder and the worst wood is Red Oak. Please look up the strength and hardness of woods for yourself. The Janka hardness of Alder is 590 and Red Oak is 1290. I would never use Alder for a project like this as it is weak and could break .

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000

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#6 posted 12-01-2018 10:40 PM

”I would never use Alder for a project like this as it is weak and could break.”

Regardless of the Alder jokes, or the Janka scale,
There would be absolutely nothing wrong with using Alder for this job, or any other wood.
Pine is as soft as it comes and even it would also work just fine.

With anything, it’s only as good as it’s built. Use any material you like.
The thickness you’re cutting to should be fine. Sometimes, in the red oak, you just get some weak grain.
IDK how to tell before hand when using rough lumber, pretty much just have to clean it up and check them.

Are you staining the gate, or painting?
Just asking to see why you would want red oak, unless you’re matching something.

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Jess Littlefield

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#7 posted 12-01-2018 10:58 PM

How about gluing up that board and any others that might split on you and chalk it up to learning. It should be okay when glued. A real close inspection before resawing it would probably have found to crack but don’t worry about it and go ahead with your project before the baby gets all the way out in the street..

-- Jess Littlefield

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#8 posted 12-01-2018 11:23 PM

I would never use Alder for a Project like this with little kids involved. Look at the properties for Alder versus White Oak and please explain why Alder is such a good choice with low strength and bendability.

A much better choice would be White Oak

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#9 posted 12-01-2018 11:30 PM

Alder- difficult on power and hand tools

White oak- easy on power and hand tools

Now I know the website owner is an Alder hater and this info is absolutely false. We all know alder is the best choice anyway.

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#10 posted 12-01-2018 11:40 PM

I understand the joke but giving a new poster questionable information is not a good idea. It concerned me when he replied that he could get Alder locally but was a bit of a drive.

Jokes are great as long as people understand it is a joke.

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#11 posted 12-01-2018 11:45 PM

This isn’t the first time the persistent Alder joke was taken a little too far.

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#12 posted 12-02-2018 12:04 AM


I would never use Alder for a Project like this with little kids involved. Look at the properties for Alder versus White Oak and please explain why Alder is such a good choice with low strength and bendability.

- Redoak49

First off, never said it was such a good choice. Alder is not a bad choice.
Just defending the fact that you said it’s weak and could break.

The OP is building a baby gate.

Why don’t you explain where the Alder would break, or where it’s low strength or bendability is going to be an issue.

From what I could assert, from a typical baby gate, there is going to be a frame and maybe some panels. The frame will be hung with hinges, that according to your own chart says it holds tacks well (true with screws also)
Also according to your charts it says it’s used for upholstered furniture. I would think if it’s being used for furniture it must be strong enough to take some abuse. I have done hundreds of projects using Alder, and I can guarantee there is no problem with Alder.

I do understand your assessment based on the fact that you, and diver among some others, don’t like the Alder jokes and with you having the name redoak49 may be just a hair bias.

The difference between you and me is, I don’t need any chart to tell me qualities of Alder, I have enough experience to make my own judgement about it’s characteristics and uses.

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#13 posted 12-02-2018 12:12 AM


and with you having the name redoak49 may be just a hair bias.

- jbay

My thoughts exactly :)

All the cheap baby gates I’ve purchased were made of pine. Now if it was a baby gate keeping the lil un out of the pit of death I might consider something besides alder. Not.

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#14 posted 12-02-2018 12:12 AM

Yeah, it happens. Glue it back together and move on.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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#15 posted 12-02-2018 01:53 AM

Yikes,I didn’t mean to start an Alder battle. I’ve never used it before, so I’m not sure who to believe. I’m definitely a novice, and don’t want to set myself up for failure by picking a tricky wood. I know to stay away from hickory, but that’s about it.

The plan is to spray poly on it. I’m trying to match the existing stair railing, which is red oak. I could have used pine, but I’m trying to expand my horizons.

I’m sticking with the ‘glue it back up and see what happens’ plan that many have mentioned. I’ll try other hardwoods for the next projects, try to get a little more hands on experience with more wood types.

Thanks to everybody who weighed in, sorry to bring up what is apparently a sore topic.

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#16 posted 12-02-2018 02:29 AM

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#17 posted 12-02-2018 03:26 AM

I’ve never used it before, so I’m not sure who to believe.

- BadWolfBrewing


No worries, it’s not a sore subject.
If you’re matching the stair railing then that’s what you should use.

Just don’t let anyone tell you Alder is cheap, weak or unstable

You can trust me on the use of Alder ;)

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#18 posted 12-02-2018 03:34 AM

Alder is the strongest wood known to man and alien kind

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#19 posted 12-02-2018 03:53 AM

I’m going to suggest you consider Beech for your project. It’s a wood much stronger/harder that alder. It machines extremely well and takes paint quite well. I’ve found it a very forgiving wood and it is quite reasonably priced.

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#20 posted 12-02-2018 04:41 PM

Wow, this escalated quickly. Apparently some people don’t have a sense of humor. They are probably also nasty grumps that block people for going off piste.

To the OP. Just glue it. It’ll be fine. If it happens repeatedly, you might look into a different lot of wood.

Regarding that subjective chart comparing the woods, wise up. That sort of information is useless. I have experience with both woods and I disagree with the tool nonsense. Alder is not difficult, oak is not easy. Total waste of time. Of course, if you’re talented, it’s all easy.

And, considering the OP is discussing red oak, including a chart for white oak serves no purpose. Oak is not all the same.

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