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Source for 60 Degree Dremel Cutters

by Jim Jakosh
posted 11-12-2018 05:45 PM


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rance

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#1 posted 11-12-2018 06:41 PM

https://www.chefwarekits.com/ez-threading-pro-xl-jig-thread-cutter/ez-threading-pro-60-degree-cutter-hss.html

EZ Threading Pro 60 Degree Cutter (HSS)

Product Code: 570
Availability: In Stock

$29.95

They are used on the EZ Threading jigs they sell.

Rance

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#2 posted 11-12-2018 09:51 PM

Is this for cutting internal or external threads Jim?

If internal, I don’t know of anything. The bit rance linked would work if you have a way to grind the shank down to fit your Dremel.

If cutting external threads, could you turn the dremel so it’s perpendicular to the lathe axis and use a 60 degree v-bit to cut the threads?

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#3 posted 11-13-2018 12:30 AM

Jim, I purchased a similar tool from a US address
use-enco.com
400 Nevada Pacific Hwy., Fernley, NV 89408
800-USE-ENCO (800-873-3626)
email : [email protected]

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python

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#4 posted 11-13-2018 04:21 AM

Interesting, great mind think alike. I had been looking for a cutter to cut threads on the metal lathe for wood boxes etc. by using the metal lathe thread cutting gears I reasoned I could cut any thread. Only trouble is I could not find a cutter. Sounds like they are available. Let me know if you find a good source. I would rather have a 1/4 inch shank. The first reply is 3/8.

-- Brian - Hazelton, British Columbia

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#5 posted 11-13-2018 01:33 PM

Thanks Rance. That would work if it were a 1/8” shank. I’m using a Dremel in place of a too bit.

Hi Kenny, I want to do both on the same piece. I can turn the parts on my wood lathe and then change the bushing in the back of the chuck to 1 1/2”-8 and put it on my Southbend lathe for threading. I have done that for several projects but I always get some chip out from the scraping action of the tool bit in wood…and sometimes I scrap out the piece if it is too bad. i have carefully turned 1/4” shanks down to 1/8” but for this, that shank might be hardened and quite heavy on the business end for a 1/8” shank.

Hi Tony ..Thanks. I just sent Enco an E mail with pictures. I’m also checking with Production Tool here in GR tomorrow

Hi Brian..we sure do think alike. I’ll bet you are using a die grinder with a 1/4” shank. I guess it would with my V block holder, so I could to.
On of my LJ and guild buddies sent me this video of the threading jig and I gave it some thought and then I said, said I , I already have a big threading tool I just need a high speed rotary tool bit.
Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Muw0zP6elg

cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#6 posted 11-13-2018 03:09 PM

you guys are

SUPER DOOPER :<))

-- Tony---- Reinholds,Pa.------ REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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#7 posted 11-13-2018 03:18 PM



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Hi Tony ..Thanks. I just sent Enco an E mail with pictures. I m also checking with Production Tool here in GR tomorrow
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cheers, Jim

- Jim Jakosh

In case you don’t get a response, Enco is no more sadly. They were purchased by MSC some years back and eventually absorbed entirely. I imagine your message will be forwarded to MSC customer service. But, you can also have a look at MSC's website in the meantime.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#8 posted 11-13-2018 04:48 PM

Thanks, Kenny . I’ll do that. I didn’t know they are no more. Enco always had some good reasonably priced tools!! I bought my mill vise from them many years ago!

cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#9 posted 11-13-2018 04:52 PM

Yep, a lot of machinists were sad to see Enco go away. They sold a lot of good tooling at fair prices. When you didn’t need a Starrett, an Enco would do! MSC has some good values too but it’s a lot harder to sift through their massive catalog…

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#10 posted 11-13-2018 08:01 PM

You’re right , Kenny. I have an older one and it is 1 1/2” thick. I find most of the stuff I need on E bay..tools, cutters, belts bearings..etc so I don’t go the MSC much. I can’t find that cutter on there, though

Cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#11 posted 11-13-2018 08:28 PM


Thanks Rance. That would work if it were a 1/8” shank. I m using a Dremel in place of a too bit.

Hi Kenny, I want to do both on the same piece. I can turn the parts on my wood lathe and then change the bushing in the back of the chuck to 1 1/2”-8 and put it on my Southbend lathe for threading. I have done that for several projects but I always get some chip out from the scraping action of the tool bit in wood…and sometimes I scrap out the piece if it is too bad. i have carefully turned 1/4” shanks down to 1/8” but for this, that shank might be hardened and quite heavy on the business end for a 1/8” shank.

Hi Tony ..Thanks. I just sent Enco an E mail with pictures. I m also checking with Production Tool here in GR tomorrow

Hi Brian..we sure do think alike. I ll bet you are using a die grinder with a 1/4” shank. I guess it would with my V block holder, so I could to.
On of my LJ and guild buddies sent me this video of the threading jig and I gave it some thought and then I said, said I , I already have a big threading tool I just need a high speed rotary tool bit.
Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Muw0zP6elg

cheers, Jim

- Jim Jakosh

Jim, don’t you have an extra Router sitting around doing nothing?

That bit that Rance found looks good to me… Bummer on the 3/8” shank needing a Collet too! Why didn’t they make a more standard 1/4” shank bit?

That Youtube video looks great and it looks SO SIMPLE!!

I wonder if one could use a coarser Threaded Rod to cut more Heavy Duty Threads… using the same bit?

Looks REALLY GOOD!!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#12 posted 11-13-2018 08:38 PM



You re right , Kenny. I have an older one and it is 1 1/2” thick. I find most of the stuff I need on E bay..tools, cutters, belts bearings..etc so I don t go the MSC much. I can t find that cutter on there, though

Cheers, Jim

- Jim Jakosh

Yeah me either. I didn’t look for too long but wasn’t having any luck. The 1/8” shank is probably the killer.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#13 posted 11-13-2018 09:13 PM

This has been bugging me Jim because it’s very likely I’ll want a similar tool. So I figured, if you can’t buy it, make it! I also figured that if I need to make it, somebody else probably already has. And done it better…

I was right :-) Here’s a method to make an ID/OD thread tool that’s pretty simple from O1 drill rod. You could pretty easily turn it on the lathe then just grind the head if you don’t have the means to mill it. He makes this to use as a turning tool but if you ground one of the tips off for clearance, I don’t see why you couldn’t spin it in a dremel. It would be a single point tool but if you’re cutting wood, that’s probably fine.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#14 posted 11-13-2018 10:52 PM

Yes I thought it was a bit strange the Enco website did not come up.
Jim, here is a link to my thread cutting jig.
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http://lumberjocks.com/projects/221306

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#15 posted 11-13-2018 11:12 PM

Hi Joe, that 8 TPI on the shaft is pretty coarse already. I was thinking of using about 11 1/2 TPI like the PVC pi;e threads.

Hi Kenny, the 1/8” shank is the stopper. I might have to go to a 1/4” die grinder. Funny you should say that about making one. I have a design drawn out today with a 60 degree head with 3 holes in it like the one flue countersinks with a hole through them. I’m going out to buy the tool steel tomorrow if they can’t get me one at Production Tool ( same place I buy the steel)

Hi Tony, that is quite a setup you have and it looks like it works super!! Nice looking threads. I made those hand tools but the different woods do not cut clean and can ruin a nice piece.

Cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#16 posted 11-14-2018 12:54 AM

Definitely update us Jim. I’ll be very curious what you come uo with and how it works!

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#17 posted 11-14-2018 12:20 PM

Well , another spammer. I reported it to Cricket!

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#18 posted 11-21-2018 03:12 AM

I made a couple 60 degree cutters and a 1/8” arbor for them. I milled notches in one of them and drill 3 holes in the other one. I tried them in mesquite and they smoked a bit but the groove is 60 degrees now.The one with 3 holes in it worked the best. I need to cut relief back from the cutting edge for clearance. I’ll have to do it by hand since I don’t have a cutter grinder.

I went to grind the side for the angle and found my block to hold my Dremel in the lathe is too small for this new Dremel so I made a new mount for it today.

I put some shots below.
Cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#19 posted 11-21-2018 03:16 AM

Well done Jim!

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#20 posted 11-21-2018 05:49 PM

Nice job Jim

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#21 posted 11-21-2018 05:52 PM

GREAT JOB SIR :<))))

-- Tony---- Reinholds,Pa.------ REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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#22 posted 11-23-2018 10:22 PM

Thanks, Kenny, Danny and Tony. Now I need to make a round bllank to give it the acid test!

Cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#23 posted 11-27-2018 10:59 PM

Well the proof is in the pudding! I ground back clearance on the cutters and tried one today on a little piece of mahogany laying around the shop. I found a 7/8”-9 nut so that is the thread I cut. Here are some pics of the process. I did it on the Southbend metal lathe and replaced the tool bit with the Dremel and everything else was the same for thread cutting.

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#24 posted 11-27-2018 11:26 PM

That’s a winner Jim. Nice work :-)

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#25 posted 11-28-2018 12:21 AM

We all knew you could do it Jim, well done buddy.

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python

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#26 posted 11-28-2018 09:03 PM

WOW! I think that is the FIRST time where I have seen a Hand Made Router Bit!!

Awesome…

Great JOB!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#27 posted 11-28-2018 10:11 PM

That came out great.. Jim is there anything you can’t do on a lathe?

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#28 posted 11-28-2018 11:40 PM

Thanks Ken, Joe, Tony and Danny!

Hi Danny, I’ll try anything once!! I think of you every time I use those welding glovee you sent me, Thanks, buddy!!

cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#29 posted 11-29-2018 10:24 PM

Any time Jim the handle you made for me came out perfect .

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#30 posted 12-20-2018 05:16 AM

These cutters I made do cut the threads clean but I found out that with the screw and washer to hold them on the arbor, it is too much in front of the cutter to cut threads up to a shoulder like on a lid. so, it is back to the drawing board to make some new one-piece cutters. I’ll be milling them tomorrow.I have the 60 degree shape turned already.

cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#31 posted 12-20-2018 06:30 AM

Very slick!!!

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#32 posted 12-20-2018 11:10 AM

Jim, Can you just cut a relief at the shoulder? That’s my typical method regardless of the tool when I need the threads to shoulder out.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#33 posted 12-20-2018 01:59 PM

Thanks, Gunny.

Hi Kenny, the flange of the lid was too narrow and the relief would have taken away too much critical material. I have new one piece cutters in the making today. If I get them milled I can harden them yet today and try out soon. I have just been called on a furnace call at my daughter’s so I may not get to them today!

cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#34 posted 12-21-2018 04:00 AM

I just made my second generation 60 degree one piece cutters .
I made 2 out of 5/8 tool steel and one out of 1/2” tool steel.
I made them with a 1/4” shank to hold them when milling the relief in the 3 cutter teeth. then I turned the shank down to 1/8” before hardening. one of the 5/8 cutters snapped off the 1/8” shaft when I tried to turn the material off the back that I left for holding while turning the 1/8” end.
I have yet to try them out..Time is short before shutting down the shop.

Turned cutter blanks

12 position index fixture I made years ago.

Milling 3 teeth on the cutters

3 finished in the mill.

Cutting shank from 1/4” to 1/8”

3 with 1/8” shanks

One head broke off when turning off the heel used for construction

Grinding after hardening

Cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#35 posted 12-21-2018 04:22 AM

Looking at this skillset I feel like I am working with a rock hammer in comparison.

ROFL

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#36 posted 12-21-2018 12:26 PM

Hi Gunny. I used to be a toolmaker and try to get lots of stuff done without having all the nice machines they have in the tool room. I wish I had a surface grinder!!
I used a metal lathe and a mill and a torch on these guys. I hope they work well.

Merry Christmas, my friend!................Cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#37 posted 12-22-2018 12:55 AM

Nice work again Jim. You gonna start a new tool line out of your shop soon?

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#38 posted 12-22-2018 09:20 PM

Hi Danny. I do make a lot of special tools and repair tools for lots of folks. I’m retireds and don’t want to be in a business that I have to work at all the time. I like variety. Yesterday, before I closed my shop for cleaning, I got a job to cut off a cracked section of a 6’ plexiglass tube and re-glue the bottom flange onto it. I had to put the flange in a 4 jaw chuck and cut a new groove in it for the tube to set in. Every day is a different job!!

Cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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#39 posted 12-22-2018 11:25 PM

So your only retired from your career everyone else keeps you busy full time. Is there a line at your door when you get back from Arizona? Everyone must miss you when your gone.

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#40 posted 12-23-2018 04:36 PM

Hi Danny. I have a couple in line right now but I had to tell them my shop is closed. I have made drawings for their projects and will start them in the spring!! I miss them when I’m gone for sure!!

Merry Christmas,.........Cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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