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Please recommend a file for sharpening card scraper and tuning planes etc.

by SMP
posted 10-15-2018 04:18 PM


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BroncoBrian

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#1 posted 10-15-2018 04:20 PM

I am afraid you just started something…

Good question though.

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TheFridge

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#2 posted 10-15-2018 04:29 PM

Nicholson’s are better than cheap trash files. They’re ok.

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#3 posted 10-15-2018 04:31 PM

For the card scraper, take a look at the Veritas variable burnisher. It takes all the guess work out and very simple to use

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#4 posted 10-15-2018 04:52 PM

The burnisher will not replace a file.
I have been able to locate some USA-made single cut files at a local (old time) hardware store here in Tupelo.
Check around in your area to see if you have such a store. They might just have what you need.
Also, check out file sharpening and cleaning vids on YouTube. I use a piece of copper pipe and some white vinegar. The pipe really helps to remove the metal junk stuck in the files, and the vinegar will etch/sharpen the teeth.
You will need a stone or diamond plate to smooth the edge before burnishing and turning the burr on the scraper.

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SMP

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#5 posted 10-15-2018 05:17 PM



For the card scraper, take a look at the Veritas variable burnisher. It takes all the guess work out and very simple to use

- JRsgarage

That does look appealing, I just looked at it Saturday, but $53 at my local shop, when I already have a Crown rod type burnisher is hard to justify.

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SMP

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#6 posted 10-15-2018 05:23 PM



The burnisher will not replace a file.
I have been able to locate some USA-made single cut files at a local (old time) hardware store here in Tupelo.
Check around in your area to see if you have such a store. They might just have what you need.
Also, check out file sharpening and cleaning vids on YouTube. I use a piece of copper pipe and some white vinegar. The pipe really helps to remove the metal junk stuck in the files, and the vinegar will etch/sharpen the teeth.
You will need a stone or diamond plate to smooth the edge before burnishing and turning the burr on the scraper.

- Bill White

Thanks for the tip, I’ll try out the youtube route to see if I can clean these old files I have.

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AlaskaGuy

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#7 posted 10-15-2018 05:27 PM

Watch some YouTube videos on card scraper sharpening. Watch several not just one. There more that one way to skin a cat.

https://youtu.be/hq881txBKSw

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=card+scrapers+woodworking

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#8 posted 10-15-2018 05:37 PM

Alaska Guy,

I did what you suggested and watched youtube videos about how to skin a cat. I am not sure how this helps…

Lol.

-- A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer.

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AlaskaGuy

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#9 posted 10-15-2018 06:00 PM



Alaska Guy,

I did what you suggested and watched youtube videos about how to skin a cat. I am not sure how this helps…

Lol.

- BroncoBrian


Sorry I couldn’t help

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JRsgarage

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#10 posted 10-15-2018 06:06 PM

I’ve never had issues just flattening and deburring on my granite and sandpaper and going straight to the burnisher…but, I’m sure there are more proper/technical ways to go about it

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#11 posted 10-15-2018 08:19 PM

Use a single cut fine flat file and use it by draw filing, that is, by holding the file at 90° to the card and filing by pushing the file away from you. Hold the file with both hands. After filing, you will still have to form the cutting edge with a burnisher.

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SMP

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#12 posted 10-18-2018 02:04 PM


The burnisher will not replace a file.
I have been able to locate some USA-made single cut files at a local (old time) hardware store here in Tupelo.
Check around in your area to see if you have such a store. They might just have what you need.
Also, check out file sharpening and cleaning vids on YouTube. I use a piece of copper pipe and some white vinegar. The pipe really helps to remove the metal junk stuck in the files, and the vinegar will etch/sharpen the teeth.
You will need a stone or diamond plate to smooth the edge before burnishing and turning the burr on the scraper.

- Bill White

Wanted to thank you again for these tips. I made a scraper out of some scrap copper pipe i had and tht really helped. There was some builup of black powder(carbon?) that th file brush wasn’t helping with but the copper got out a bunch of it. I attached a pic so you can see this black gunk kind of caked up, this is after i removed most of it, the files are different colors now! Now they are sitting in a tub of vinegar for a couple days. (Pro tip: do NOT get vinegar on any cuts you have, ouch)

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TheFridge

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#13 posted 10-18-2018 02:27 PM

Alaska Guy,

I did what you suggested and watched youtube videos about how to skin a cat. I am not sure how this helps…

Lol.

- BroncoBrian

Sorry I couldn t help

- AlaskaGuy

I don’t know what to say. I don’t think funny quite covers it. I laughed like a little schoolboy.

Solid advice from bill

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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shampeon

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#14 posted 10-18-2018 02:52 PM

I cut a slot in an offcut 2×4 to hold the file at 90, and run the scraper against the face of the wood against the file. Most of the time I don’t bother burnishing: you can just start using it after jointing the edge.

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AlaskaGuy

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#15 posted 10-18-2018 05:45 PM


Alaska Guy,

I did what you suggested and watched youtube videos about how to skin a cat. I am not sure how this helps…

Lol.

- BroncoBrian

Sorry I couldn t help

- AlaskaGuy

I don’t know what to say. I don’t think funny quite covers it. I laughed like a little schoolboy.

Solid advice from bill

- TheFridge


Maybe you had too many

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Richard

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#16 posted 10-18-2018 07:07 PM



Use a single cut fine flat file and use it by draw filing, that is, by holding the file at 90° to the card and filing by pushing the file away from you. Hold the file with both hands. After filing, you will still have to form the cutting edge with a burnisher.

- MrRon

+1 on this one.

-- Richard (Ontario, CANADA)

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AlaskaGuy

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#17 posted 10-18-2018 07:40 PM

You guys got my curiosity up. I’m disputing draw filing but I just like to know why? I don’t know how many videos I have watched of card scrapers and have always seen the opposite. After you file/joint the edge and go to polishing the edge do draw polish with you stones or what ever you polish with?

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000

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#18 posted 10-18-2018 07:59 PM

I don’t draw file. If your pressure isn’t exact you could end up with a wavy edge. YMMV

I clamp my file in a vice the push the card across it.
Then usually just go straight to the burnisher. Every once in a while I clean up the sides, but usually in the middle of a job I just file, burnish and go.

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ColonelTravis

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#19 posted 10-18-2018 08:00 PM

I’ve got the scraper made by LJer bearkatwood – best scraper I’ve ever used, also the most challenging one to sharpen. Have gotten great results with a Pferd, American Pattern, single cut file.

Also have that HD Nicholson file and it works ok on lesser quality scrapers. It is terrible with Bearkat Brian’s because of the higher quality steel.

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TheFridge

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#20 posted 10-18-2018 08:47 PM

Yeah I polish the edges with stone too. It works for me.

I don’t draw file on something that narrow unless I’m trying to correct a wavy edge.

I had the LV small burnisher (? I think?) have since gotten the LN big un. The big ones make is a lot easier.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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SMP

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#21 posted 10-18-2018 09:22 PM



Yeah I polish the edges with stone too. It works for me.

I don’t draw file on something that narrow unless I’m trying to correct a wavy edge.

I had the LV small burnisher (? I think?) have since gotten the LN big un. The big ones make is a lot easier.

- TheFridge

I tried the Paul Sellers trick of using a nail set, after cutting my knuckles a couple times on slip ups I bought a Crown burnisher at my local shop and the longer burnisher with handle really makes a difference! I’ve learned not to try everythihng that Paul Sellers does even though it looks easy on his videos.

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