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Another Jointer for sale question - need quick response!

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posted 10-14-2018 02:17 AM


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#1 posted 10-14-2018 02:34 AM

My thoughts its over priced for my area. If your area is lite on 8 inch jointers and you go for it.
Check that it will joint two boards on edge without gaps before you buy.

-- Aj

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#2 posted 10-14-2018 02:39 AM

Thanks. What’s your area? I’m in Oregon. Also meaning just check it the joints are glue up ready after running through? This is my first jointer as I’m tired of fighting my TS for glue glue up joints on longer boards. The jig is fine for smaller stuff, also for face jointing I really haven’t used a router much and think this is the way to go for more ‘professional’ work.

Oh and I was hoping to pay $1500 for it. Thoughts?


My thoughts its over priced for my area. If your area is lite on 8 inch jointers and you go for it.
Check that it will joint two boards on edge without gaps before you buy.

- Aj2


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#3 posted 10-14-2018 03:52 AM

I’m in the inland empire So Cal. My opinion is the job of a jointer is to make a square edge to a flat face. And do this better and faster then any other tool. As long as it accurate the stuff coming out of China or Taiwan is hit or miss.

-- Aj

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#4 posted 10-14-2018 05:27 AM

An 8” Powermatic long bed with a helical cutter head…..if you can get it for $1500 I would buy it. You will not regret it.

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#5 posted 10-14-2018 05:28 AM

Frankly $1700 for that jointer with the helical head and the PM mobile base is a very solid price just about anywhere, if it is as clean as it looks. New they will run about $3400 before taxes.

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#6 posted 10-14-2018 05:50 AM

Thanks – I talked with him via text and he is a shop teacher who maintains his tools professionally – moving to Costa Rica and only taking a few tools with him.

He got back and said $1700 firm. It was just listed a few hours ago.

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#7 posted 10-14-2018 12:55 PM

It’s $200 over what you wanted to pay – how much time will you spend waiting and looking for another 8” to come along for $1500? If you have the budget, I’d go for it. The only argument I see for passing it up is to buy something like the Grizzly equivalent new with a warranty, and I don’t believe Grizzly, or their equivalents, has any in stock, and hasn’t for a while.

I bought an 8” Grizzly about a year ago; given the choice between what I bought and what you’re looking at, I’d go for the that Powermatic.

-- John

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#8 posted 10-14-2018 01:13 PM

If you consider the helical head and rolling base, 1700 is about half of new. That’s very fair for a newer machine. I’m with the other guys. Don’t pass it up if thats what you want.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#9 posted 10-14-2018 01:14 PM

You don’t say where you are in Oregon… but there are a few deals out there now, and I’m sure tons more will come along if you are patient.

How close to this one are you? JET 8-inch Jointer JJ-8 - $600 [Creswell, OR.]
Or if you are still considering 6 inch machines: Jet 6-inch Jointer - $300 [JUNCTION CITY]

If those are too far away or you don’t like them, there will be plenty more coming along. Use the fact that you don’t absolutely have to have one this minute to your advantage.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#10 posted 10-14-2018 01:30 PM

Thank you all! I’m gonna talk it over with the ‘boss’ :). I was ok with spending around $700-800 no questions, $1500 pushing it pretty good, $1700 I need the almighty blessing.

On a side note how would JJ-8 be? I’m close enough to most places since I live in middle of the state.

https://eugene.craigslist.org/tls/d/jet-8-jointer-jj-8/6717363087.html

Definitely looking for 8” since it seems most opinions are skip the 6” and go for 8”. Unless anyone has reason to support the ‘just buy the 6”’ category. There are a few nice and newer Jet 6” in my hometown, all the basic straight blade etc for around $500. Honestly that’s where my search began but then I’m the type to upgrade and buy once cry once.

I do appreciate all your opinions.

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#11 posted 10-14-2018 02:04 PM

It all depends what you’re doing with it. I wanted an 8” because I wanted longer tables for edge jointing. I rarely face joint and even then it’s not very wide stuff. In my search I found a 6” Powermatic with 66” table. That was exactly what I needed. You could buy the Jet and upgrade to a helical head for less than the cost of that Powermatic.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#12 posted 10-14-2018 07:37 PM

It might be nice to know how ‘used’ the inserts are for the cutterhead. How many are in their original position and how many have been turned to a new side (and how many times)? The inserts should last for a long time, but if it is reaching a point in which you will need to begin replacing some, it can be good to know to help make an informed decision. It looks like the inserts can go for about $3.50 each (a little less in larger quantities).

In buying my Grizzly, my plan is to eventually replace the straight blades with a Byrd Shelix ($500) which would bring my total cost for my G0490 to about $1,250. Before that though, I am planning on budgeting my funds for a Shelix for my Dewalt 735 Planer so that when the present blades and spare set are toast, if I’m not quite satisfied with the results from the jointer, that I can always do a final thin pass through the planer w/ Shelix just to finish things off.

That being said, if the Powermatic was in my budget and in good condition, I would take a look at it. For a comparison, you might also want to look at the Grizzly G0490X for $1,830 (8” parallelogram tables with helix cutterhead), they presently have free shipping.

I’m not sure what other equipment is on your wish-list or where your budget priorities are, but in my case I am presently building my shop with a lot of goodies on my wish list, so the more affordably I can buy each item, the more equipment I can attain. Still though, I am trying to focus on the quality of each of my tools, which sometimes takes a little longer to obtain.

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#13 posted 10-15-2018 02:07 AM

Thanks all – I think it may be more than I need, 8” would be great, helical head would be great, but $1700 is a lot more than my initial search. I’m really only getting into things, well with this wave, finishing up a writing desk top and drawer for my wife. Caught the bug again because every time I do a new project, I wish I had the proper tools, and a Jointer is high – if not next on the list. Router Table is up there too, but I feel the jointer is more important.

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#14 posted 10-15-2018 02:15 AM

Yeah, you would probably want to pass on that.
Just out of curiosity, do you still have the link to that ad? a…for a friend….

If you could swing it, it would be all you ever need…for a long time anyway.
(got any children you could sell?) I used to have 6, now I have a full shop.

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#15 posted 10-15-2018 02:15 AM

That Jet 8” would be very nice to have.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#16 posted 10-15-2018 02:55 AM

Powermatic makes good quality stuff – however a jointer is so damn simple that there’s really no excuse for the high price tag on their jointers. So $1700 for a used 8” jointer seems outrageous to me (I’m also in Oregon).

I had a 6” Craftsman and upgraded straight to a 16” and I don’t think I could ever go back to something smaller. My 16” unit does have problems but even with that I would rather have the capacity.

-- Woodworking from an engineer's perspective

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#17 posted 10-15-2018 03:01 AM

I think you made the right decision. Be patient there’s some good machines out there for those that wait. And don’t be fooled by the Shelix Head. It’s not that great to have in a jointer. Shelix Head is much better in a planer.

-- Aj

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#18 posted 10-15-2018 03:06 AM

Thanks. This is close to home as well Powermatic 54A

https://eugene.craigslist.org/tls/d/powermatic-jointer/6718441876.html

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#19 posted 10-15-2018 03:20 AM

Ha Ha – makes me want to get it because I know it will be THE last jointer I ever think about. But its kindof sticker shock. I asked about the cutter heads, he said never turned, and looks that way, because in one of his pictures there is a chip on one side of one out of the row, so they need turned but seem to still have 3 sides as of the posting.


Yeah, you would probably want to pass on that.
Just out of curiosity, do you still have the link to that ad? a…for a friend….

If you could swing it, it would be all you ever need…for a long time anyway.
(got any children you could sell?) I used to have 6, now I have a full shop.

- jbay

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#20 posted 10-15-2018 04:29 AM

If the story on the Powermatic is accurate, I would take it over the Jet, and I have several Jet tools

-- Rich Gig Harbor, WA

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#21 posted 10-15-2018 09:53 AM

I guess everyone needs to decide where they fit into this, as a hobby, a profession, serious hobbyist, part-time professional, etc.. I’m in your position, a hobbyist who’s taking an interest and trying to improve on the tools in my shop. Given that I can’t rush out and spend 10 grand on power tools today (it would be stupid given my interest and my abilities at this point), I try to maximize the $2000 or $3000 that I might spend on new stuff.

It sounds like the Powermatic is well worth the money, but for me that $1700 would amount to a decent used table saw, planer and jointer in my area (I just purchased a lightly used Craftsmen contractor’s saw and a like-new Shop Fox band saw for $850). I tend to agree with the “best that you can afford” principle, but if it’s all you can afford and you’d have to do without many other tools that you need, what good is a kick-butt jointer? Personally I’d love to upgrade to a good 8” jointer from my mediocre 6” model and I surely need an upgrade to my 13” planer (more quality than size) and wouldn’t mind a better lathe than what I have (a cheap piece of junk), but we all have budgets and we all have to decide what makes the most sense for us.

Good luck finding what you need.

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#22 posted 10-15-2018 02:43 PM

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#23 posted 10-15-2018 03:53 PM

Looks like he wants more on Craigslist than on FB.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#24 posted 10-15-2018 04:13 PM

Ya $100 more- maybe for hagglers? Still would be $1700 for me.


Looks like he wants more on Craigslist than on FB.

- firefighterontheside


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#25 posted 10-15-2018 04:23 PM



Frankly $1700 for that jointer with the helical head and the PM mobile base is a very solid price just about anywhere, if it is as clean as it looks. New they will run about $3400 before taxes.

- AHuxley

I agree with Hux. If I had one to sell and it was clean and accurate, I would not let it go for $1700. Not sure why something made to be used daily for 25+ years should sell for less than 50% after a few years. I would have paid $2200 without regret instead of buying the Jet 8 HH new if that was available.

-- A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer.

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#26 posted 10-15-2018 05:40 PM

Man it’s hard to pass up. Today is the decision day – it was still available this am.

Frankly $1700 for that jointer with the helical head and the PM mobile base is a very solid price just about anywhere, if it is as clean as it looks. New they will run about $3400 before taxes.

- AHuxley

I agree with Hux. If I had one to sell and it was clean and accurate, I would not let it go for $1700. Not sure why something made to be used daily for 25+ years should sell for less than 50% after a few years. I would have paid $2200 without regret instead of buying the Jet 8 HH new if that was available.

- BroncoBrian


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#27 posted 10-15-2018 05:45 PM

Also since I have you all hear – is this planer tearout? I did switch my blades 1/2 way through project this could be the 1st 1/2 piece. Should have sent it back through. But as I do things, I then read more about them. Maybe I should read more about it then do :)

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#28 posted 10-15-2018 06:04 PM

I see no tear out that I would be conserned about. What I do see is rowed wood grain that’s very much quarter sawn. The way the fibers are oriented in the board makes it difficult to get a super smooth cut from any machine.
Looks good

-- Aj

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#29 posted 10-15-2018 06:06 PM

Get the jointer. That will be a star in your shop for a VERY long time.

Cannot tell anything from the images. Tearout from planers looks like shallow dimples or like the blades chipped out shallow shavings. Rotate or change the knives.

-- A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer.

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#30 posted 10-15-2018 06:22 PM

Thank you! Spot on – quatersawn Sapele. As I get further and further into the project, my fears of screwing up go up exponentially :). Tabletop for my wife’s writing desk.

I see no tear out that I would be conserned about. What I do see is rowed wood grain that’s very much quarter sawn. The way the fibers are oriented in the board makes it difficult to get a super smooth cut from any machine.
Looks good

- Aj2


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#31 posted 10-15-2018 06:37 PM

TSBot, you might need to see if you can raise that threshold with the Boss….mine is currently about $2000 and it’s served me nicely…..LOL.

-- Two thumbs and counting

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#32 posted 10-16-2018 03:19 AM

I have one more question – since you all have been very kind with your opinions.

If I get the 8” or any for that matter. How do you rip, to get it ready for jointing, say a larger 14” board that has some irregularities like bowing cupping twist etc.? I don’t want to do another TS sled or anything. I do have a jet 14” deluxe bandsaw, jigsaw, circular saw etc. Then joint then plane/thickness for glue up etc.

After that I assume I could rip the 14”, say 8/4 wood, joint and plane it, reglue it up, resaw for bookmatching then rejoint it.

Correct? Sorry if I’m trying to think this through out loud.

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#33 posted 10-16-2018 03:50 AM

joint one edge and then start ripping with the TS. Then plane then joint then glue back together.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#34 posted 10-16-2018 03:52 AM

So it can still have some twist, bowing ect to it as long as the face against the fence is jointed? Thanks.


joint one edge and then start ripping with the TS. Then plane then joint then glue back together.

- firefighterontheside

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#35 posted 10-16-2018 04:11 AM

To make flat straight square boards you have to joint one face, then joint an edge while the flat face you made is against the fence. Now you have 2 adjacent sides that are square to each other. From there you can use the planer and TS, planing with flat side down and ripping with jointed edge against fence.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#36 posted 10-16-2018 05:57 AM


Frankly $1700 for that jointer with the helical head and the PM mobile base is a very solid price just about anywhere, if it is as clean as it looks. New they will run about $3400 before taxes.

- AHuxley

I agree with Hux. If I had one to sell and it was clean and accurate, I would not let it go for $1700. Not sure why something made to be used daily for 25+ years should sell for less than 50% after a few years. I would have paid $2200 without regret instead of buying the Jet 8 HH new if that was available.

- BroncoBrian

Absolutely!!!

That PM Jointer will always be more $$$$ than the very same configuration from Griz, which costs more new to buy. If you should resell, that PM will always be able to bring a higher dollar.

The deck is in your favor, new looking top end tools usually go fast, if this is still for sale, all you need to do is make an offer. I would start at 1400. Worst he can do is be mad at you.

-- Think safe, be safe

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#37 posted 10-16-2018 07:10 AM

For me, the Jointer and the Planer work hand in hand (along with the table saw) to create a S4S board. First joint one side (face) of a board. Making sure the fence of the jointer is square with the table, keep the jointed side firmly on the fence (and the edge firmly on the table), and joint the edge to obtain a board with two surfaces that are flat and square with each other.

The next stop is the Planer and with the jointed side of the board down, run the wood through until you have a side which is flat and parallel to the previously jointed side. The board should then be an equal thickness on both the sides and front to end.

Depending on the initial condition of the board, it may take several passes through the jointer and then several passes through the planer to get it right.

The final step is to place the jointed edge of the board along the table saw fence and once you cut off the last (and thus far untouched) edge, the board should be finished with all sides parallel, square and with an even thickness and width.

In my case with the 8” jointer and a 13” planer, if I am working with a board that is wider than eight inches (but under 13” wide) I can use both machines to essentially ‘joint’ the wide board by using a technique that is best presented via a video that Jay Bates created. There are two videos and for a better understanding of the process it can be best to watch both. The first video is his original method (with additional prep info and insight included) and the second video shows a modification that he made to simplify the process and requires less material for the table / jig.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Io_ihuE8Rs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bF5CRSMEHc

With good timing and thanks to the ‘Hot Deals’ thread on Lumberjocks earlier this year, I was able to grab a new Dewalt 735X Planer (with extension tables and extra blades) for $450. I found my Grizzly G0490 Jointer for $750 on Facebook Marketplace. I had previously bought my Rockwell Table Saw for less than $350 (which I’ve had for a while and obtained before getting into actual woodworking – it gets me by but I would eventually like to get an upgraded table saw when the budget allows). The total of all three pieces of equipment was about $1,550 and by being frugal and spending a lot of time shopping (and being patient), I now have the flexibility to do a lot of different projects with several pieces of equipment, verses having one higher priced machine.

In regard to a higher priced machine though, I didn’t want to take a chance on the bandsaw and I bought my Laguna 18BX new in January (on sale and without the standard $75 shipping charge). I have had my Radial Arm Saw forever (maybe 30 years or so). More recently I added a ‘new’ Grizzly G0548Z Dust Collector for less than $250 ($604 new). I also picked up a new Super Dust Deputy Cyclone for $20 ($170 new) at a scratch and dent sale at Woodcraft (the cyclone was in new condition with only the box damaged), though due to the cost of 6” pipe and fittings I have yet to install it into my system. I’ve also added many smaller tools and equipment, buying on sale when I can.

Some of the above may be a bit of a gloat, but it can be helpful to see what can be found with a great deal of persistence, a lot of shopping, patience and with a touch of luck thrown in. In fairness, I have had some disappointment along the way too with a few missed deals, but that’s simply a part of life. Attached is a picture of my shop.

Hang in there and keep us informed of your progress. I know this forum has helped me tremendously and the more postings from everyone, the better it is for all.

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#38 posted 10-16-2018 11:23 AM

Something I noted on the video you linked to where you mentioned Jay Bates created something. I thought geee, that really would be something new, Bates with an idea not taken from time.

Jay Bates – Woodworking Videos
Published on Nov 1, 2015

Spagno has a video with the same exact info as Bates, but Mark’s video starts with using hand planes, for those prone to using them, or having to use them because they don’t own even a 6” jointer. No he doesn’t hold your hand while you run the board through the planer, but he uses the same technique, and says the same words.

The Wood Whisperer
Published on Apr 11, 2012

You can watch it here

Just saying Jay Bates hasn’t shown anyone anything new ever. He takes what he sees others doing, and would have you believe he thought it up. I’m not saying Spagno invented this using a carrier to run wood through a planer. I’m 64 and have been in the shop since I was 9 or so, and folks were doing that back then. Not new, as with most current woodworking education, re-spun, and regurgitated is what you see most of the time.

If you learn things on the web, that is good. Just keep in mind it’s likely someone else did it years earlier, and some folks have known about it far longer than the “teacher” Old guys who have been in the shop a long time hardly ever spend money on woodworking magazines, because that is a constant regurgitation. Look at one of those FWW DVD’s where they have every issue, and see if I’m correct about this. For the basics many of them are on the 4th telling now. Adding new tips and tricks, some are talked about as many as 50 times, but again a lot of them are old to many.

So as time goes, the Domino is fairly new, as is weiner cutting TS technology. But rip and crosscuts on a powered TS aren’t, nor is an M&T joint, which the Domino does on the fly, but it’s so similar a joint as to be boring.

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#39 posted 10-17-2018 03:16 AM

Here is the top of desk – 1st coat of Watco danish oil. Awaiting wiping and 2nd coat.

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#40 posted 10-21-2018 04:08 AM

Well I got it! Started to clean her up a bit – just vacuum out and check cutters etc. Looks pretty sweet and cutters are in really good shape.

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#41 posted 10-22-2018 01:17 AM

Wishing you the best with your new Jointer and if you are like me, you will find yourself using it much more than you anticipated and glad to have it in our shop. Nice machine.

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#42 posted 10-22-2018 01:39 AM

Congrats. I’m sure you will love it. I love my new to me 6” Powermatic with 66” bed.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#43 posted 10-22-2018 05:02 AM

Thanks – can’t wait to learn and put it to great use.


Wishing you the best with your new Jointer and if you are like me, you will find yourself using it much more than you anticipated and glad to have it in our shop. Nice machine.

- BattleRidge


Congrats. I’m sure you will love it. I love my new to me 6” Powermatic with 66” bed.

- firefighterontheside


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#44 posted 10-22-2018 03:39 PM

You made the right choice

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#45 posted 10-22-2018 03:54 PM

Congrats on your purchase. Very jealous. I’d sleep with that thing and make breakfast for it in the morning.

Just saying Jay Bates hasn t shown anyone anything new ever. He takes what he sees others doing, and would have you believe he thought it up. I m not saying Spagno invented this using a carrier to run wood through a planer. I m 64 and have been in the shop since I was 9 or so, and folks were doing that back then. Not new, as with most current woodworking education, re-spun, and regurgitated is what you see most of the time.

- therealSteveN

Just saying….Isn’t that what everybody does and has done for thousands of years? I have seen vids that Jay has done that I haven’t seen anywhere else. This one comes to mind. I’m sure he didn’t invent this jig but I never saw it anywhere else and now I use it all the time.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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#46 posted 10-22-2018 05:32 PM

Congratulations!

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