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Entry Level Spraying Station

by fivecodys
posted 10-04-2018 05:02 PM


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lumbering_on

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#1 posted 10-04-2018 05:07 PM

Can you explain to me the insanity that seems to be Prop 65? I first saw it when I was buying hardware such as clamps and router bits. When I asked about it they said it was to restrict things that caused cancer. How in the world does hardware cause cancer?

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#2 posted 10-04-2018 05:12 PM

If you have a compressor, I’d recommend a gravity feed HVLP conversion gun. Get one with a regulator at the gun, or at least add a regulator if it doesn’t come so equipped.

I have had Porter Cable, WoodRiver, and a half dozen other brands. They all seem to work well as long as they have a regulator. I set the pressure about 35 psi at the gun for lacquer.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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fivecodys

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#3 posted 10-04-2018 05:38 PM


Can you explain to me the insanity that seems to be Prop 65? I first saw it when I was buying hardware such as clamps and router bits. When I asked about it they said it was to restrict things that caused cancer. How in the world does hardware cause cancer?

- lumbering_on


If you really want to know go here: https://www.p65warnings.ca.gov/

I’m just looking for advice on a spraying system. :)

-- When you leave your shop for the night, make sure you can always count to 10.

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sepeck

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#4 posted 10-04-2018 05:51 PM


Can you explain to me the insanity that seems to be Prop 65? I first saw it when I was buying hardware such as clamps and router bits. When I asked about it they said it was to restrict things that caused cancer. How in the world does hardware cause cancer?

- lumbering_on


The origins of prop 65 back in the 1980’s was to force companies to disclose products sold that contained chemicals that could cause cancer. This was done because companies were refusing to disclose this information and also in an effort to force companies to change processes to use less dangerous materials. If a company decides to ‘overuse’ the warning that’s on them. It is possible that anything sealing the router bits could potentially have a chemical that could contribute and the company is over-reacting, that I don’t know nor really care to debate.

That said, I have seen nothing about a ban in California on using spray lacquer in a can. I can still buy lacquer in the store and have not heard that it is banned in California so this original post is confusing. Is there a reference link about this?

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fivecodys

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#5 posted 10-04-2018 06:09 PM

Can you explain to me the insanity that seems to be Prop 65? I first saw it when I was buying hardware such as clamps and router bits. When I asked about it they said it was to restrict things that caused cancer. How in the world does hardware cause cancer?

- lumbering_on

The origins of prop 65 back in the 1980 s was to force companies to disclose products sold that contained chemicals that could cause cancer. This was done because companies were refusing to disclose this information and also in an effort to force companies to change processes to use less dangerous materials. If a company decides to overuse the warning that s on them. It is possible that anything sealing the router bits could potentially have a chemical that could contribute and the company is over-reacting, that I don t know nor really care to debate.

That said, I have seen nothing about a ban in California on using spray lacquer in a can. I can still buy lacquer in the store and have not heard that it is banned in California so this original post is confusing. Is there a reference link about this?

- sepeck

This was information given to me verbally by both Lowe’s & my local Ace Hardware. Both had an empty space on the shelf where it used to be so I took their word for it. It’s a bummer because this was working really well for the small projects I make.

-- When you leave your shop for the night, make sure you can always count to 10.

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lumbering_on

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#6 posted 10-04-2018 06:33 PM

This was information given to me verbally by both Lowe s & my local Ace Hardware. Both had an empty space on the shelf where it used to be so I took their word for it. It s a bummer because this was working really well for the small projects I make.

- fivecodys

I just did a quick search and it seems that one of the thinners (Methyl n-Butyl Ketone) and formaldehyde are an issue. It’s possible that there are other spray lacquers that don’t use these.

The origins of prop 65 back in the 1980 s was to force companies to disclose products sold that contained chemicals that could cause cancer. This was done because companies were refusing to disclose this information and also in an effort to force companies to change processes to use less dangerous materials. If a company decides to overuse the warning that s on them. It is possible that anything sealing the router bits could potentially have a chemical that could contribute and the company is over-reacting, that I don t know nor really care to debate.

I have no idea how that works, it just seems incredibly strange to see it.

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ScottM

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#7 posted 10-04-2018 06:42 PM

So back to your question….

I use the cheap Harbor Freight HVLP turbine system. I don’t have a compressor so this worked out fine. It’s a decent starter set but don’t plan on using it for spraying paint and thick finishes. I’ve used it for spraying both water based poly and acrylic lacquer from Target Systems (EM6000).

I got mine for less than $100 with the HF 20% off coupons.

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CWWoodworking

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#8 posted 10-04-2018 06:54 PM

I use harbor freight pressure pot and gun with SW precat laquer. The hoses that come with it are trash so replace them with industrial hoses made for solvents. Get the fittings that can be reused.

I just leave the laquer in the gun/pot so I don’t ever clean it. Put the cap in a little jar of thinner and your good to go.

I think I have 60$ invested. It’s not perfect, but for a cheap system it’s pretty good. I spray a few gallons a week.

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Ocelot

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#9 posted 10-04-2018 08:05 PM

If Cal can just figure out how to put the prop 65 warning on sunlight, they’ll have cancer licked for sure.

As for the spray rig, I’ve never done it but am interested to see what you come up with.

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fivecodys

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#10 posted 10-04-2018 08:06 PM


So back to your question….

I use the cheap Harbor Freight HVLP turbine system. I don t have a compressor so this worked out fine. It s a decent starter set but don t plan on using it for spraying paint and thick finishes. I ve used it for spraying both water based poly and acrylic lacquer from Target Systems (EM6000).

I got mine for less than $100 with the HF 20% off coupons.

- ScottM

Thanks Scott.
I’m just looking to shoot lacquer so this is not a bad price at all.
I just looked on Rockler’s site. Looks like they have an inexpensive also. Your thought?
Thank you for your response.

-- When you leave your shop for the night, make sure you can always count to 10.

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ScottM

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#11 posted 10-05-2018 12:21 PM

The Rockler turbine system used to look exactly like the HF version. I believe they were the exact same machine under the labels but it looks like Rockler has an “updated” model. Afraid I can’t provide any info on the new model but appears they’ve teamed up with Earlex for something under the hood. Details on the site say 2-stage which would be a more powerful motor for higher viscosity finishes.

All I can say is that I have had good success with the HF version. Spraying isn’t a daily thing for me. I mostly do it for larger pieces,

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fivecodys

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#12 posted 10-05-2018 04:05 PM



If Cal can just figure out how to put the prop 65 warning on sunlight, they ll have cancer licked for sure.

As for the spray rig, I ve never done it but am interested to see what you come up with.

- Ocelot

Believe me Paul, If the liberals in S.F. & L.A. could do it, they would! :)
I live right smack dab in the middle of the state. Heavy Agricultural area. We grow a lot of food here. I would say that the Central Valley is conservative to moderate in it’s political leanings but we get over-ridden by S.F. & L.A.’s crazy ideas.
Oh well, it’s still a beautiful place to live.

I will let you know where I land on this sprayer issue. Leaning hard towards Rockler at the moment.

-- When you leave your shop for the night, make sure you can always count to 10.

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AlaskaGuy

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#13 posted 10-05-2018 05:02 PM

OK you want to spray lacquer. What kind of stuff you spraying? ( jewelry boxes or a sets of kitchen cabinets), how often (once a month or everyday?) and what size is you compressor….if you have one?

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#14 posted 10-05-2018 05:16 PM


If Cal can just figure out how to put the prop 65 warning on sunlight, they ll have cancer licked for sure.

As for the spray rig, I ve never done it but am interested to see what you come up with.

- Ocelot

Believe me Paul, If the liberals in S.F. & L.A. could do it, they would! :)
I live right smack dab in the middle of the state. Heavy Agricultural area. We grow a lot of food here. I would say that the Central Valley is conservative to moderate in it s political leanings but we get over-ridden by S.F. & L.A. s crazy ideas.
Oh well, it s still a beautiful place to live.

I will let you know where I land on this sprayer issue. Leaning hard towards Rockler at the moment.

- fivecodys

You may want to try this site – www.thehill.com. Plenty of people you can argue with about liberal and conservative issues.

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AlaskaGuy

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#15 posted 10-05-2018 05:54 PM

You may want to try this site – www.thehill.com. Plenty of people you can argue with about liberal and conservative issues.

- lumbering_on

We already have a moderator, her name is Cricket .

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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lumbering_on

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#16 posted 10-05-2018 06:20 PM

You may want to try this site – www.thehill.com. Plenty of people you can argue with about liberal and conservative issues.

- lumbering_on

We already have a moderator, her name is Cricket .

- AlaskaGuy

Not trying to moderate. He seemed eager to talk about politics, so I thought I’d suggest a site where he’d feel at home.

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fivecodys

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#17 posted 10-05-2018 07:49 PM


You may want to try this site – www.thehill.com. Plenty of people you can argue with about liberal and conservative issues.

- lumberingon
Not eager at all to discuss politics.
I hear way too much of it as it is. I was just commenting on a comment that was made.
So, we can put all that to bed and get back to the subject of sprayers. :)

I make mostly small items with an occasional bookcase or small table.
This would be very limited use type of spraying. As I mentioned in my post, I had been using rattle cans so that kinds of tells you the volume of work I do.

I do have a compressor but it’s a small pancake model that is really loud.

We already have a moderator, her name is Cricket .

- AlaskaGuy

Not trying to moderate. He seemed eager to talk about politics, so I thought I d suggest a site where he d feel at home.

- lumberingon


-- When you leave your shop for the night, make sure you can always count to 10.

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lumbering_on

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#18 posted 10-05-2018 08:16 PM


Not eager at all to discuss politics.
I hear way too much of it as it is. I was just commenting on a comment that was made.
So, we can put all that to bed and get back to the subject of sprayers. :)

I make mostly small items with an occasional bookcase or small table.
This would be very limited use type of spraying. As I mentioned in my post, I had been using rattle cans so that kinds of tells you the volume of work I do.

I do have a compressor but it s a small pancake model that is really loud.

- fivecodys

I like sprayers much better. :)

I think, as seems to be the consensus that you want to go with a HVLP system, it seems to give the best results, although I know some that swear by a pot gun. HVLP are great, but you need to watch the CFM as most I’ve seen need more than a small pancake compressor can provide, at least on a continuous basis. I had that issue when I was looking for a spray gun and it drove me nuts as most guns were higher than my compressor.

I finally decided on this model
https://www.amazon.ca/Accessories-Carrying-Campbell-Hausfeld-CHK005CCAV/dp/B0046RDW3K

The small gun can use as little at .7 CFM. I find it works well, but it doesn’t give you the fine detail control you’d get with a turbine.

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#19 posted 10-09-2018 01:59 AM

how close do you live to a border state, where it is legal. smuggling is a big business.

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