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The Worldwide Web

by MrRon
posted 09-29-2018 05:57 PM


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#1 posted 09-29-2018 06:38 PM

Hey, hey, I agree, well said. I have made some good friends from all around the world on the web.

-- Bud Baker , Ojibwa, WI. http://papabudswoodtoys.webs.com/

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#2 posted 09-29-2018 08:31 PM

For me it’s been good and bad. When I was a runner, the web allowed me to travel to California, spend the week with my on line friend, and run an ultra(34 miles) in the mountains.

Obviously, that is the high point of my on line friendships.

The Woodworking forums? I dunno, sometimes are good, sometimes we all bicker over stupid stuff because we only can see things through our perspective. Me included.

The nice thing about runner/ultra forums is that there aren’t a whole lot of ways to run 34 miles. You just kinda do it how ever you can survive.

Knees started to give out, so I gave up running. Still think about it everyday though.

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#3 posted 09-29-2018 10:34 PM

There is hope coming that may cure the problems with the present web. Here is a copy of the article.

A new web has been developed by the designer of the old web to correct the present problems.

https://www.inrupt.com/

Read on:

https://www.fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web

Exclusive: Tim Berners-Lee tells us his radical new plan to upend the World Wide Web
With an ambitious decentralized platform, the father of the web hopes it’s game on for corporate tech giants like Facebook and Google.

Last week, Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the World Wide Web, asked me to come and see a project he has been working on almost as long as the web itself. It’s a crisp autumn day in Boston, where Berners-Lee works out of an office above a boxing gym. After politely offering me a cup of coffee, he leads us into a sparse conference room. At one end of a long table is a battered laptop covered with stickers. Here, on this computer, he is working on a plan to radically alter how all of us live and work on the web.

“The intent is world domination,” Berners-Lee says with a wry smile. The British-born scientist is known for his dry sense of humor. But in this case, he is not joking.

This week, Berners-Lee will launch, Inrupt, a startup that he has been building, in stealth mode, for the past nine months. Backed by Glasswing Ventures, its mission is to turbocharge a broader movement afoot, among developers around the world, to decentralize the web and take back power from the forces that have profited from centralizing it. In other words, it’s game on for Facebook, Google, Amazon. For years now, Berners-Lee and other internet activists have been dreaming of a digital utopia where individuals control their own data and the internet remains free and open. But for Berners-Lee, the time for dreaming is over.

“We have to do it now,” he says, displaying an intensity and urgency that is uncharacteristic for this soft-spoken academic. “It’s a historical moment.” Ever since revelations emerged that Facebook had allowed people’s data to be misused by political operatives, Berners-Lee has felt an imperative to get this digital idyll into the real world. In a post published this weekend, Berners-Lee explains that he is taking a sabbatical from MIT to work full time on Inrupt. The company will be the first major commercial venture built off of Solid, a decentralized web platform he and others at MIT have spent years building.
A Netscape for today’s Internet

If all goes as planned, Inrupt will be to Solid what Netscape once was for many first-time users of the web: an easy way in. And like with Netscape, Berners-Lee hopes Inrupt will be just the first of many companies to emerge from Solid.

“I have been imagining this for a very long time,” says Berners-Lee. He opens up his laptop and starts tapping at his keyboard. Watching the inventor of the web work at his computer feels like what it might have been like to watch Beethoven compose a symphony: It’s riveting but hard to fully grasp. “We are in the Solid world now,” he says, his eyes lit up with excitement. He pushes the laptop toward me so I too can see.

On his screen, there is a simple-looking web page with tabs across the top: Tim’s to-do list, his calendar, chats, address book. He built this app–one of the first on Solid–for his personal use. It is simple, spare. In fact, it’s so plain that, at first glance, it’s hard to see its significance. But to Berners-Lee, this is where the revolution begins. The app, using Solid’s decentralized technology, allows Berners-Lee to access all of his data seamlessly–his calendar, his music library, videos, chat, research. It’s like a mashup of Google Drive, Microsoft Outlook, Slack, Spotify, and WhatsApp.

The difference here is that, on Solid, all the information is under his control. Every bit of data he creates or adds on Solid exists within a Solid pod–which is an acronym for personal online data store. These pods are what give Solid users control over their applications and information on the web. Anyone using the platform will get a Solid identity and Solid pod. This is how people, Berners-Lee says, will take back the power of the web from corporations.
[Image courtesy of Tim Berners-Lee]For example, one idea Berners-Lee is currently working on is a way to create a decentralized version of Alexa, Amazon’s increasingly ubiquitous digital assistant. He calls it Charlie. Unlike with Alexa, on Charlie people would own all their data. That means they could trust Charlie with, for example, health records, children’s school events, or financial records. That is the kind of machine Berners-Lee hopes will spring up all over Solid to flip the power dynamics of the web from corporation to individuals.
A new revolution for developers?

Berners-Lee believes Solid will resonate with the global community of developers, hackers, and internet activists who bristle over corporate and government control of the web. “Developers have always had a certain amount of revolutionary spirit,” he observes. Circumventing government spies or corporate overlords may be the initial lure of Solid, but the bigger draw will be something even more appealing to hackers: freedom. In the centralized web, data is kept in silos–controlled by the companies that build them, like Facebook and Google. In the decentralized web, there are no silos.

Starting this week, developers around the world will be able to start building their own decentralized apps with tools through the Inrupt site. Berners-Lee will spend this fall criss-crossing the globe, giving tutorials and presentations to developers about Solid and Inrupt. (There will be a Solid tutorial at our Fast Company Innovation Festival on October 23.)

“What’s great about having a startup versus a research group is things get done,” he says. These days, instead of heading into his lab at MIT, Berners-Lee comes to the Inrupt offices, which are currently based out of Janeiro Digital, a company he has contracted to help work on Inrupt. For now, the company consists of Berners-Lee; his partner John Bruce, who built Resilient, a security platform bought by IBM; a handful of on-staff developers contracted to work on the project; and a community of volunteer coders.

Later this fall, Berners-Lee plans to start looking for more venture funding and grow his team. The aim, for now, is not to make billions of dollars. The man who gave the web away for free has never been motivated by money. Still, his plans could impact billion-dollar business models that profit off of control over data. It’s not likely that the big powers of the web will give up control without a fight.

When asked about this, Berners-Lee says flatly: “We are not talking to Facebook and Google about whether or not to introduce a complete change where all their business models are completely upended overnight. We are not asking their permission.”

Game on.

-- Always remember: It is a mathematical certainty that half the people in this country are below average in intelligence!

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#4 posted 09-29-2018 10:50 PM



For me it’s been good and bad. When I was a runner, the web allowed me to travel to California, spend the week with my on line friend, and run an ultra(34 miles) in the mountains.

Obviously, that is the high point of my on line friendships.

The Woodworking forums? I dunno, sometimes are good, sometimes we all bicker over stupid stuff because we only can see things through our perspective. Me included.

The nice thing about runner/ultra forums is that there aren’t a whole lot of ways to run 34 miles. You just kinda do it how ever you can survive.

Knees started to give out, so I gave up running. Still think about it everyday though.

- CWWoodworking

I used to belong to a runner’s forum a few years back, and I met a few people from the site – good times. Running in the morning, drinking in the evening. :) My knees are still good, but I’ve been fighting Achilles’s tendinitis (actually tendinosis) for a few years. I tell people that I love running, but running doesn’t love me back. :(

I actually find LJ a better site than many for the level of conflicts. Political sites are the absolute worst, but IT sites seem to be a close second. I rarely read the comments on any of these sties so as to keep my sanity.

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#5 posted 09-29-2018 11:24 PM



For me it’s been good and bad. When I was a runner, the web allowed me to travel to California, spend the week with my online friend, and run an ultra (34 miles) in the mountains.

Obviously, that is the highpoint of my online friendships.

The Woodworking forums? I dunno, sometimes are good, sometimes we all bicker over stupid stuff because we only can see things through our perspective. Me included.

The nice thing about runner/ultra forums is that there aren’t a whole lot of ways to run 34 miles. You just kinda do it how ever you can survive.

Knees started to give out, so I gave up running. Still think about it everyday though.

- CWWoodworking

Totally Agree!

Rick S.

-- Richard (Ontario, CANADA)

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#6 posted 09-30-2018 12:02 AM


For me it’s been good and bad. When I was a runner, the web allowed me to travel to California, spend the week with my on line friend, and run an ultra(34 miles) in the mountains.

Obviously, that is the high point of my on line friendships.

The Woodworking forums? I dunno, sometimes are good, sometimes we all bicker over stupid stuff because we only can see things through our perspective. Me included.

The nice thing about runner/ultra forums is that there aren’t a whole lot of ways to run 34 miles. You just kinda do it how ever you can survive.

Knees started to give out, so I gave up running. Still think about it everyday though.

- CWWoodworking


Bicker? Have you ever been to the following.

A town hall meeting
A PTA meeting
A community council meeting
A kids sports event
etc etc etc, It just humane nature you don’t need the internet to bicker. Us humans are and have been bicker experts since the beginning of time. :)

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#7 posted 09-30-2018 12:07 AM

You forgot “political rally”.

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#8 posted 09-30-2018 12:35 AM

Try to avoid all like the plague. Especially anything to do with politics. Any side.

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#9 posted 09-30-2018 02:34 AM


I used to belong to a runner s forum a few years back, and I met a few people from the site – good times. Running in the morning, drinking in the evening. :) My knees are still good, but I ve been fighting Achilles s tendinitis (actually tendinosis) for a few years. I tell people that I love running, but running doesn t love me back. :(

I actually find LJ a better site than many for the level of conflicts. Political sites are the absolute worst, but IT sites seem to be a close second. I rarely read the comments on any of these sties so as to keep my sanity.

- lumbering_on

LJ is better than other Woodworking forums

As for running, if you are a true, natural runner, have at it. If you are a grinder like I was, please be careful. I went from not being able to complete a mile to running sub 7 mm in a half marathon to not being able to run a hundred feet.

I believe some are built for it, some are not. I think I’m just too chunkie

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#10 posted 09-30-2018 02:55 AM

Mr. Ron, you sure know how to get it going…

Here is a link to an article, from the founder, changes are coming…

https://www.fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#11 posted 09-30-2018 03:07 AM

Hmmm… not to be sarcastic or anything but this is a weird topic for something that has been a standard, daily part of life for the past 35 years. Forums like this one, my phone, all my electronic entertainment, banking, ordering most of the things I buy, updating medications, my power usage,.... etc. on and on…

‘A few words about the web, some stuff is good and some not so good????’

I’d also like to add that I’ve finally decided that my refrigerator has some things I like about it and some things I don’t. Ya it keeps things cold but I’ve got that very cold spot in the upper left. Tomatoes freeze sometime. Just the same. After a 60 year trial run using them I think I’ll keep it. It’s better than not having it. Saves a lot of canning.

;-)

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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#12 posted 09-30-2018 03:15 AM

Craftsman on the lake

+100

Haha

-- No craft is very far from the line beyond which is magic. -- Lord Dunsany — Instagram @grailwoodworks

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#13 posted 09-30-2018 04:59 AM

Honestly, I wish the web had never been invented in my lifetime. Five years ago I would have said differently. But it is what it is.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#14 posted 09-30-2018 11:08 AM

Web is great, how one uses it is the trick. Too many are not capable of weeding through the “information” and end up no better than they would have been without access.

It also is the only social outlet for many individuals, which is unfortunate. It also keeps a lot of individuals from getting knocked on their ass, which is unfortunate.

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#15 posted 09-30-2018 09:01 PM

You can love it or you can leave it but it won’t go away!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#16 posted 10-01-2018 05:34 AM



Web is great, how one uses it is the trick. Too many are not capable of weeding through the “information” and end up no better than they would have been without access.
- TravisH

Ultimately no one can weed through all the information and fact check it. Hell, most people don’t know how to fact check. Even people with training in critical thinking get fooled either from confirmation bias or they just don’t have time to check and double check every tidbit of information. There are no 100% reliable online sources (few offline) and there is a constant rain of misinformation. No one has time to check them all. Before the internet it took more effort to publish information and more effort to find it, which meant there more vetting.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#17 posted 10-01-2018 03:15 PM



I used to belong to a runner s forum a few years back, and I met a few people from the site – good times. Running in the morning, drinking in the evening. :) My knees are still good, but I ve been fighting Achilles s tendinitis (actually tendinosis) for a few years. I tell people that I love running, but running doesn t love me back. :(

I actually find LJ a better site than many for the level of conflicts. Political sites are the absolute worst, but IT sites seem to be a close second. I rarely read the comments on any of these sties so as to keep my sanity.
- lumbering_on


Have you been to a podiatrist for your feet? That is usually something that is easy to fix. Different running shoes or inserts might work. As for politics, that is a topic where no one wins or loses so it’s a total waste of time to discuss; same goes for religion and a few other taboo topics.

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#18 posted 10-01-2018 03:42 PM


Have you been to a podiatrist for your feet? That is usually something that is easy to fix. Different running shoes or inserts might work. As for politics, that is a topic where no one wins or loses so it s a total waste of time to discuss; same goes for religion and a few other taboo topics.

- MrRon

I have a Morton’s toe, and have been using inserts for years, but that wasn’t the issue. It was due to years of running, and thinking that I was still in my twenties when I was close to 50. I was seen by a sports physician, but that was a little too late. He actually gave me a lot of good advice, and ways to correct the problem, but as it’s a breakdown in the collagen it takes time to heal. I’ve had to do a lot of exercises, and I’m actually back to about 90% right now, but I’m keeping my mileage low and any time I feel a twinge, I stop right away.

In political and religious arguments, I think people lose all the time, I just don’t think anyone wins.

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#19 posted 10-01-2018 08:09 PM

Ummmm…. I don’t know who this Tim Berners Lee guy y’all are quoting is but everyone knows Al Gore invented the internet.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#20 posted 10-01-2018 10:14 PM

Years ago (2005), I was on a marriage forum. Met some friends there. After my marriage unfortunately ended (in spite of all the advice I received there), one on-line friend (another guy, married, with children) invited me to come visit and he’d take me camping at the Grand Canyon. I took him up on it – arrived at his house a 2 or 3am – he put me in a room across from his teen daughters for the night – then took me out camping in wilderness for 3 days or so.

Below is a much younger me next to a piece of truck at the abandoned sawmill on Mt. Trumbull. My friend explained that they took the engine from this truck to power the sawmill. It’s pretty dry there. Things decay slowly.

Here’s a scrap pile from the sawmill – which has been out of business since the 1930’s or some such time. They were, I believe, cutting Ponderosa Pine mainly.

Trusting people is necessary for life. The internet is just another way to interact with people. You still have to figure out who to trust by many of the same old mechanisms – reputation, consistency etc. I was right to trust him. He was right to trust me. I need to give that guy a call… haven’t talked to him in a few years.

-Paul

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#21 posted 10-02-2018 12:42 AM



It also is the only social outlet for many individuals, which is unfortunate. It also keeps a lot of individuals from getting knocked on their ass, which is unfortunate.

- TravisH


Excellent assessment


Web is great, how one uses it is the trick. Too many are not capable of weeding through the “information” and end up no better than they would have been without access.
- TravisH

Ultimately no one can weed through all the information and fact check it. Hell, most people don t know how to fact check. Even people with training in critical thinking get fooled either from confirmation bias or they just don t have time to check and double check every tidbit of information. There are no 100% reliable online sources (few offline) and there is a constant rain of misinformation. No one has time to check them all. Before the internet it took more effort to publish information and more effort to find it, which meant there more vetting.

- Woodknack

Well IMO many of those books were not vetted any better than what many so-called experts put out on the web. Because information sources then were more limited people tended to accept them as correct, which doesnt mean they were. There have never been and will never be 100% reliable sources, hence one did and still does have to vet the info. That so much is available at our fingertips vs a library is wonderful. Cant help the people who wont do the work. As Forrest said “stupid is as stupid does”.

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#22 posted 10-02-2018 05:02 PM

Many people today don’t mind being “led around by the nose” and there are less and less of the critical thinkers that can weed through the waste land and, perhaps, even lead some the sheep.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#23 posted 10-13-2018 09:25 PM



I just want to express my feelings about the world wide web. Although there is a lot that is wrong about the web, there is a lot more that is good. The web allows me to communicate with people anywhere in the world and speak about common interests, like woodworking, along with anything else of mutual interest.

- MrRon

YEP! That’s what it’s for! Problems? For sure but there’s always a way around them!

Rick S.

-- Richard (Ontario, CANADA)

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#24 posted 11-18-2018 01:03 AM


Ummmm…. I don t know who this Tim Berners Lee guy y all are quoting is but everyone knows Al Gore invented the internet.

- HokieKen

NOPE! It was Invented by Tim-Berners-Lee. Check the Link above in Post #10 for some of the FACTS, or plug “The Web” into Wikipedia for all of the details!

This is about it for “Al Gore” whose methods I’d (removed)

Bye! Bye! Folks!

Rick S.

-- Richard (Ontario, CANADA)

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#25 posted 11-18-2018 06:50 AM

Add to the above. It’s a small pat of the article Posted By Desert_Woodworker In Post #10.

“Last week, Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the World Wide Web, asked me to come and see a project he has been working on almost as long as the web itself. It’s a crisp autumn day in Boston, where Berners-Lee works out of an office above a boxing gym. After politely offering me a cup of coffee, he leads us into a sparse conference room. At one end of a long table is a battered laptop covered with stickers. Here, on this computer, he is working on a plan to radically alter how all of us live and work on the web.”

Rick S.

-- Richard (Ontario, CANADA)

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#26 posted 11-18-2018 03:24 PM

...The Woodworking forums? I dunno, sometimes are good, sometimes we all bicker over stupid stuff because we only can see things through our perspective. Me included…

I enjoy participating in several forums, and not just woodworking, although sometimes my participation is mostly just reading — I refuse to get into the bickering (e.g., political issues). But I have become a true fan of YouTube! I wish it had been around decades ago — think I would be a much better woodworker tpday than I am.

-- PPBart

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#27 posted 11-18-2018 08:29 PM

In the past, when I had to research anything, it meant hours spent at the public library, searching through random books and many times coming up blank. The internet has made research easy. Just now, I was searching for new tires for my car on the internet. Without the internet, I would have to physically go to a tire store. The internet allows me to do the homework so when I do visit the store, I already know what I want and won’t be a victim to a salesman.

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#28 posted 11-19-2018 03:23 AM

I noticed in this discussion that some are equating the internet and the WWW. They are not the same thing.

The internet grew out of ARPANET, an information system developed by funding from the DOD. Kahn and Cerf developed the protocols that allow it to function as it does and usually are credited with ‘inventing’ the Internet. The World Wide Web travels on the Internet.

Al Gore never claimed he invented the internet. What he said was that he took the initiative in creating the internet, which in fact he did. He was the driving legislative force behind it’s development.

“We should also acknowledge that we live with the effects of Gore’s legislation both for better and for worse. Many of the same people who despise Al Gore for his politics generally support free market initiatives to grow the economy. With the legislation he spearheaded, Gore effectively privatized the internet.” —- Robert Kahn and Vint Cerf.

The fact that it’s so commonly believed that he claimed it’s invention and mocked for it is indicative of the main problem with this beast.

-- Visualize whirled peas

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#29 posted 11-20-2018 10:41 PM

OH! I didn’t know all of that! YOU’RE quite the EXPERT on this STUFF! Good For YOU MULESKINNER! Now I Know also! Thanks a HEAP!

Rick S.


I noticed in this discussion that some are equating the internet and the WWW. They are not the same thing.

The internet grew out of ARPANET, an information system developed by funding from the DOD. Kahn and Cerf developed the protocols that allow it to function as it does and usually are credited with inventing the Internet. The World Wide Web travels on the Internet.

Al Gore never claimed he invented the internet. What he said was that he took the initiative in creating the internet, which in fact he did. He was the driving legislative force behind it s development.

“We should also acknowledge that we live with the effects of Gore’s legislation both for better and for worse. Many of the same people who despise Al Gore for his politics generally support free market initiatives to grow the economy. With the legislation he spearheaded, Gore effectively privatized the internet.” —- Robert Kahn and Vint Cerf.

The fact that it s so commonly believed that he claimed it s invention and mocked for it is indicative of the main problem with this beast.

- muleskinner


-- Richard (Ontario, CANADA)

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#30 posted 11-21-2018 03:10 AM

FWIW, it was not my intention to make any political statement one way or the other. Just a tongue in cheek remark ;-) I was aware that Gore’s comments about the internet were twisted and exaggerated but not of the specifics. Point well made muleskinner!

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#31 posted 11-22-2018 10:57 PM



FWIW, it was not my intention to make any political statement one way or the other. Just a tongue in cheek remark ;-) I was aware that Gore’s comments about the internet were twisted and exaggerated but not of the specifics. Point well made muleskinner!

- HokieKen

I’d agree with that point also Muleskinner!

-- Richard (Ontario, CANADA)

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#32 posted 11-23-2018 03:18 PM

Per Kahn and Serf: “The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening.”

“Talking about” and “promoting” doesn’t equal ‘creating’ either.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#33 posted 11-23-2018 06:41 PM

Just An OOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS! Forget About It!

-- Richard (Ontario, CANADA)

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#34 posted 11-23-2018 07:24 PM

I’m sorry Rick S, are you talking to me specifically? I believe you’re not supposed to be talking to me and my comment certainly was not directed at you (as I’m blocked from speaking with you – your choice, not mine).

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#35 posted 11-25-2018 02:22 AM



I m sorry Rick S, are you talking to me specifically? I believe you re not supposed to be talking to me and my comment certainly was not directed at you (as I’m blocked from speaking with you – your choice, not mine).

- Smitty_Cabinetshop

No. Smitty I was not talking to you. I lost track of the fact that I had Blocked You. The Block has been removed. Sorry for the inconvenience. In fact I did this one day, just for FUN!

Hugs & Kisses…....... LOL

Rick S.

-- Richard (Ontario, CANADA)

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