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Time for a planer upgrade

by edapp
posted 09-26-2018 12:02 PM


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mpsprunger

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#1 posted 09-26-2018 01:09 PM

The 735 Dewalt is a fine machine, the shelix cutter lowers the noise level. The internal blower is a plus, I have a ten foot flex hose and blow the dust into the yard. One drawback for the cutter head w/ all of the cutting segments cutting is a reduced amount of power, consequently cutting less material w/ a pass. The finish is impressive an no sanding. I wish the motor had alittle more HP

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edapp

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#2 posted 09-26-2018 01:34 PM

I have a byrd head in my 8” jointer and am absolutely sold on the helix cutterheads. Would not buy a planer without one considering that is my main reason for the upgrade. Looking for input on the grizzly machine if anyone has any experience with it or the other 15” models.

Worth twice the price for the heavier duty models? anyone going to talk me into going up to a 20”?

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Blindhog

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#3 posted 09-26-2018 01:52 PM

I have the 735 that I upgraded with a shelix head. World of difference! The noise is pretty much the same no load running but is apx. 10 db quieter when running; either way still requires ear protection. Cutting is much smoother and planing cross grain/burl wood is way better. I feel it is a very good value. Larger machine is really a matter of capacity/needs.
Good luck with your decision and have some fun.

-- Don't let perfection get in the way of plenty good enough

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DrDirt

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#4 posted 09-26-2018 01:54 PM

I upgraded 4 years ago from a straight knife DW635… to the Powermatic 15HH that I bought off the floor at the Woodworking Show in Kansas City.

The Helix cutter is awesome – one thing I have to plan ahead for a bit with this machine, is it does NOT take the final light pass cleanly. The Feed Roller is steel, and will leave lines/grip marks on the surface if you try to only take a 64th
So I have to make sure the final light pass is heavier than the serrated grip marks. So when you want to just get rid of some bit of tearout, and want to take just a “hair” more off…. get out your sander.

-- “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

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JayT

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#5 posted 09-26-2018 02:06 PM

OK, I’ll be the one to ask the stupid question.

Why not upgrade your current DW733 with a Shelix head instead of buying a new planer? They are available and would save you quite a bit if you are just wanting the performance of a helical head. If you are wanting/needing increased capacity, then that’s a different story.

-- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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edapp

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#6 posted 09-26-2018 02:22 PM

JayT
I am not interested in putting more money into my 733. It has served me well, but has a few issues and needs more work than a cutterhead. Lately it is getting out of alignment (left to right / height). Rather than addressing those and dropping another $400 into it I would rather upgrade capacity or at least reliability (four post height adjustment vs the luchbox style). I see the Dewalt 735 as a hybrid, and while it is quite a bit less expensive i cant get real excited about it.

Every time I have gone upscale on a tool purchase I have been extremely glad I did, so thinking if I go with the dewalt now I will likely upgrade again down the road which I would rather not do. On the grizzly, I like what I see, but can find so little information that it makes me hesitate.

DrDirt
That is good info. Looking at grizzly the 1021×2 has a “minutely straight serrated” outfeed roller, and the g0453z has a rubber outfeed roller. I think I will call grizzly and try and get a list of difference between these models.

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johnstoneb

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#7 posted 09-26-2018 02:49 PM

I have a 735 upgraded with a helix head. It is basically the same as a 733 except the case and the blower. If the 733 is too light for what you are doing with it the 735 will be the same. Go with the bigger more powerful machine.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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JayT

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#8 posted 09-26-2018 02:56 PM

Makes sense. If you have the space and power available, then, to me it would make sense to look at increased capacity as well as performance.

-- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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Ocelot

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#9 posted 09-26-2018 09:14 PM

G1021×2 ($2164 delivered) is backordered.

How is it different from the G0453z ($2370 deliverd)?

It is also backordered, but right now has free shipping – so is about $200 more delivered.

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edapp

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#10 posted 09-26-2018 10:08 PM

The major difference, or at least the biggest difference to me, is that the g1021×2 uses an angled cutter head (30 degrees) like the Byrd cutterhead. The g0453 carbide inserts are parallel to the head. There are more on the 0453.

1021×2 does not have a mobile base

1021×2 seems to have a slightly smaller motor, and slightly lower capacity in regards to material thickness.

G1021×2 made in Taiwan
G0453 made in China (tariff)

So based solely on cut quality I figure the 1021×2 is the better buy, and being a little less expensive, not paying the tariff, but having to supply your own mobile base. Ordered mine this afternoon for a little under $2k after the 10% coupon….

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Willscary

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#11 posted 09-27-2018 01:53 AM

I just purchased the 735x (735 with both tables and an extra set of knives) for $499 and the Shelix head for $358. Add to that the Wixey digital gauge for a $43 special and my total Amazon bill was exactly $900. Being a Prime member gave me a 5% discount so my total out of pocket cost was $865 delivered for all 3. the Shelix head was a 90 minute install (I took my time…teardown was about 75 minutes and it only took 15 minutes to put it back together).

Very quiet and works very well. For DC, I hooked up a 4” hose to a super dust deputy to catch all of the chips and then an outgoing hose to the outside, where only extremely fine dust is sent. the blower really blows!

On that note…does anyone here wish to get two brand new sets of blades for the 735 for cheap? Never used! Also, if anyone needs a brand new cutterhead with bearings and blade holders, I have that saved also.

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PJKS

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#12 posted 09-27-2018 02:04 AM

Upgraded my Grizzly GO490 w/ Byrd Cutterhead… I would not buy a planer without one !!!

-- Pat / Colorado

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Aj2

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#13 posted 09-27-2018 02:19 AM

I wouldn’t put a shelix in lunch box planer. The insert head really needs more power then that machine was designed for. I have the Powermatic with Bryd Head i think it’s a 3hp. It very limited how much wood the inserts can chew thru. It says 1/8 max cut.Thats a stretch

-- Aj

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Rich

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#14 posted 09-27-2018 03:36 AM


I wouldn’t put a shelix in lunch box planer. The insert head really needs more power then that machine was designed for. I have the Powermatic with Bryd Head i think it’s a 3hp. It very limited how much wood the inserts can chew thru. It says 1/8 max cut.Thats a stretch

- Aj2

My shelix head in a DW735 works like a champ.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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Aj2

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#15 posted 09-27-2018 03:48 AM

I believe you Rich and I think you mentioned that you work with Mesquite. I can testify is a very hard brutal wood. I still stand by my post.
I also had a 735 and when i got tired of buying knifes I put carbide tipped knives in. It made the planer the champion of champs. ::)

-- Aj

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mramseyISU

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#16 posted 09-27-2018 01:48 PM

I’ve been running a DW735 for about 5 years and the bulk of what I work with is QSWO. It works like a champ with the straight knives. I’d love a shelix head for it but I just can’t bring myself to pull the trigger on something that costs almost as much as the planer itself did when I don’t see a clear advantage right now. I’m still only on my second set of knives with it.

-- Trust me I'm an engineer.

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Eddie33

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#17 posted 09-28-2018 02:05 AM

Did they give you a ship date on that machine? I am also looking at both of those Grizzly planers and would prefer the one you bought, but i don’t want to be waiting months for it to arrive. I will be selling my DeWalt 735 when I upgrade as well.


The major difference, or at least the biggest difference to me, is that the g1021×2 uses an angled cutter head (30 degrees) like the Byrd cutterhead. The g0453 carbide inserts are parallel to the head. There are more on the 0453.

1021×2 does not have a mobile base

1021×2 seems to have a slightly smaller motor, and slightly lower capacity in regards to material thickness.

G1021×2 made in Taiwan
G0453 made in China (tariff)

So based solely on cut quality I figure the 1021×2 is the better buy, and being a little less expensive, not paying the tariff, but having to supply your own mobile base. Ordered mine this afternoon for a little under $2k after the 10% coupon….

- edapp


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edapp

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#18 posted 09-28-2018 01:11 PM

They did not give a ship date, only that they would be available in October. I take that with a whole shaker of salt, and like in the past with orders from Grizzly, I will continue to search on craigslist for another planer while I wait. If something comes up, ill cancel my order with Grizzly.

Same happened when I had a back-ordered Jointer last year. Found an 8” Delta with Byrd shelix head for a great price, canceled my grizzly order no problems. I just see it as getting in line…. they do not charge until it ships.

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FrankTuna

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#19 posted 09-28-2018 06:55 PM

I’m in the same boat and I chose the Grizzly 1021×2. It’s due to be back in stock on 10/1 and I was able to order it with the 10% coupon. It was just under $2000 shipped with lift gate service. I got the Dewalt 735X recently when it was on sale for $499, and realized that I’d always kick myself if I don’t just get the right tool now. I’ve used Ridgid and Dewalt lunchbox planers and they’re fine, but you’ll never regret having the lower noise, bigger capacity, and power of a stationary machine.

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edapp

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#20 posted 10-03-2018 03:14 PM

Well this must be a good sign. Grizzly just charged my card which should mean the planer is shipping!

Pretty good timing if that is true, considering their estimated date of “October”

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edapp

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#21 posted 10-05-2018 06:02 PM

Well…. the grizzly 1021×2 was delivered today! However… the pallet and crate were severely damaged, and the planer nearly walked off the pallet all together. I havent been able to tear into it yet, but this picture shows how it arrived upon delivery. Obviously all of this was noted on the delivery slip with UPS Freight.
Since others in the thread ordered the same unit, heads up! The crate is thin and the planer *may not be bolted down (but I havent been able to verify that)

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FrankTuna

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#22 posted 10-05-2018 06:31 PM



Well…. the grizzly 1021×2 was delivered today! However… the pallet and crate were severely damaged, and the planer nearly walked off the pallet all together. I havent been able to tear into it yet, but this picture shows how it arrived upon delivery. Obviously all of this was noted on the delivery slip with UPS Freight.
Since others in the thread ordered the same unit, heads up! The crate is thin and the planer *may not be bolted down (but I havent been able to verify that)

- edapp

Mine comes on next Thursday!! That stinks about the crate, but please keep us posted as you get it opened up and go through setting up the machine. Any tips or comments are much appreciated!

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edapp

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#23 posted 10-05-2018 06:41 PM

I am planning on spending a good bit of time with it over the weekend…. hopefully all goes well.
I watched a great video on youtube about the setup of (not this exact model) another 15” grizzly. Channel was “Unemployed Hillbilly Redneck Creations”

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MJClark

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#24 posted 10-05-2018 06:55 PM

Wow, that sucks about the damage. Hopefully the planer is good.

I am shopping for one now, but to start with. I was thinking about the Dewalt.

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FrankTuna

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#25 posted 10-09-2018 05:12 PM



I am planning on spending a good bit of time with it over the weekend…. hopefully all goes well.
I watched a great video on youtube about the setup of (not this exact model) another 15” grizzly. Channel was “Unemployed Hillbilly Redneck Creations”

- edapp

How was everything once you got the planer out of the crate? First impressions?

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edapp

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#26 posted 10-09-2018 05:41 PM

Doesn’t appear to be any damage to the planer. It was not bolted down or secured to the pallet in any way… which is scary. It nearly walked itself off the pallet and is relatively top heavy, so I hope this was an anomaly from Grizzly, and not standard practice.

First impressions, packaging aside, are extremely positive. There is very little assembly required. The setup and fine tuning is pretty involved however and it will take some time. I am not there yet. I ordered a rotacator, feeler gauges and digital calipers today which will help (the rotacator seems expensive for what it is, but I don’t think you could properly setup and align the tool without one). The helical head is massive and the cutters are extremely sharp. It is quiet, the tables are flat, the dust collection design is good (but i wish it had a 6” port). All in all I am very happy with my choice, although the setup is more involved than I expected and will require some time and specialty tools.

I put the machine in a Rockler “All terrain” mobile base which I can highly recommend as well. It is expensive, but all of my tools are mobile and I wish they were all on a base with wheels this large.

I will follow up again once I have everything dialed in. Fist cut, while greazy and out of alignment, left a very very nice finish.

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diverlloyd

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#27 posted 10-09-2018 11:21 PM

Looks like the pallet needed the all terrain base.

Joking aside congrats on the purchase I hope it works well for you. Let us know how well it dose after a couple hundred feet of lumber.

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