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how sharp are your planes

by pottz
posted 09-25-2018 06:30 PM


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Fred Hargis

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#1 posted 09-25-2018 06:38 PM

Cool!

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#2 posted 09-25-2018 06:47 PM

Never played with the planes but have a few Chisels that I’m not parting with!!!!!

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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#3 posted 09-25-2018 08:26 PM

I would like to see a fine tuned handyman in the mix.

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#4 posted 09-25-2018 09:16 PM

How sharp are your planes?
Well I am not even in the race thats for sure.

-- Regards Rob

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#5 posted 09-25-2018 09:19 PM


How sharp are your planes?
Well I am not even in the race thats for sure.

- robscastle

yeah thats a skill i definitely need to work on myself.

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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#6 posted 09-25-2018 09:31 PM

Wow, I think that was the hotel I stayed in – at least the room looks the same. It’s not a good place to stay if you’re claustrophobic.

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#7 posted 09-25-2018 10:21 PM



Wow, I think that was the hotel I stayed in – at least the room looks the same. It s not a good place to stay if you re claustrophobic.

- lumbering_on


yeah kinda compact,i skipped the first 2 minutes and didnt see it before.bigger than those little cubby hole hotels they have though where all you have is a bed and share a communal bathroom.

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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#8 posted 09-25-2018 11:08 PM

Now that’s how you make lazagna!

Thank god someone found something else to do with those drum sticks half way through… no wonder those drummers walked funny!

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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#9 posted 09-25-2018 11:39 PM


yeah kinda compact,i skipped the first 2 minutes and didnt see it before.bigger than those little cubby hole hotels they have though where all you have is a bed and share a communal bathroom.

- pottz

Those things remind me of hyperbolic chambers. At least they’re better than these ‘homes’ in Hong Kong.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2275206/Hong-Kongs-metal-cage-homes-How-tens-thousands-live-6ft-2ft-rabbit-hutches.html

These things make a studio look like a mansion.

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#10 posted 09-25-2018 11:44 PM


yeah kinda compact,i skipped the first 2 minutes and didnt see it before.bigger than those little cubby hole hotels they have though where all you have is a bed and share a communal bathroom.

- pottz

Those things remind me of hyperbolic chambers. At least they re better than these homes in Hong Kong.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2275206/Hong-Kongs-metal-cage-homes-How-tens-thousands-live-6ft-2ft-rabbit-hutches.html

These things make a studio look like a mansion.

- lumbering_on


wow looks like a dog kennel !

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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#11 posted 09-26-2018 05:50 AM

Your planes should be sharp enough to sneak up and kill you in your sleep.

-- Mark

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robscastle

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#12 posted 09-26-2018 12:17 PM

Me again! well afer reading the comments and being instructed not to watch the first 2 minutes I went back and checked out what I was missing.

Motel room yep thats a huge one normally only half that size for Nip B&Bs, Although China lumbering_ on has it covered
No mention of the driverless trains at the airport another nip interesting experience.
The Sandy Nelson group is almost as bad as my benchtop thicknesser operating.
The nips are certainly a unique craftsman group in regard to both wood work and metal fabrication thats for sure.
Hey I think I saw Pat Morita at 2:44 to 2:48.
The wood planing well its again unique, reminds me of doctors preparing skin grafts. Candy would like it.
Tomorrow I will “sharpen up” my plane and see if I can get a qualifying entry shave, all a bit doubtful though!
Wish me luck …drum roll …I am gone again.

-- Regards Rob

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LittleBlackDuck

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#13 posted 09-26-2018 12:42 PM

Forget lazagna, just had Chinese take away…

OK, let me be the one to ask that onerous question… Would those shavings suffice as a sensitive “sheath” for your woodie?

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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#14 posted 09-26-2018 02:35 PM



The nips are certainly a unique craftsman group in regard to both wood work and metal fabrication thats for sure.

- robscastle

“nips”! Seriously? What are you stuck in a foxhole in Guam?

-- No craft is very far from the line beyond which is magic. -- Lord Dunsany — Instagram @grailwoodworks

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#15 posted 09-26-2018 02:46 PM



Your planes should be sharp enough to sneak up and kill you in your sleep.

- Mark Wilson

mark thats my wifes job-lol.

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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#16 posted 09-26-2018 02:48 PM



Forget lazagna, just had Chinese take away…

OK, let me be the one to ask that onerous question… Would those shavings suffice as a sensitive “sheath” for your woodie?

- LittleBlackDuck

ha-i dont know about that duckie,you try it and let us know buddy.

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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lumbering_on

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#17 posted 09-26-2018 05:02 PM


Your planes should be sharp enough to sneak up and kill you in your sleep.

- Mark Wilson

mark thats my wifes job-lol.

- pottz

Hopefully, she doesn’t know that.

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Al Breit

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#18 posted 09-26-2018 06:48 PM

I just started getting into sharpening some old planes I’ve collected and as I sharpened many of them the quality of steel and the way they were cared for over the years I will never get this kind of super honed edge they have on those planes. Sharpening any chisel or plane is an long process honing and polishing the hardened steel to a mirror like finish on both sides of the cutting edge, any grind marks will leave lines in the wood being planed.
Here a good youtube video on sharpening from Highland woodworking and Lie-Nielsen Toolworks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOvqbrdNZBU
Thanks for sharing pottz

-- Al Breit "A day without sawdust is like a day without sunshine"

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#19 posted 09-26-2018 07:20 PM

Some guys like to sharpen tools more than they like to work wood…

-- "The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives should be a Store, Not a Govt. Agency"

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pottz

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#20 posted 09-26-2018 07:25 PM



Some guys like to sharpen tools more than they like to work wood…

- Jerry

yeah i hear ya,but you cant argue with there results,at least if you like making see through wood shavings-lol.i love your signature line.

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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robscastle

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#21 posted 09-26-2018 10:57 PM

No I m out of my foxhole in Guam JA, however I am known for pulling a few veiled jokes to reel people in every now and then.
So I was expecting a response from somebody so,
read on:
Nipon or nips as they are affectionaly known by me can be traced back to

The word Nip is an abbreviation from Nippon (日本), the Japanese name for Japan.

So a good pick up there JA, now did you get the Pat Morita? or, or did you miss that one!

BTW I checked out some of your projects they look fairly decent, keep up the good work!.
Standby for the next leg pull!

-- Regards Rob

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robscastle

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#22 posted 09-26-2018 11:31 PM

OK now the formalities are over lets get on with what I returned for.

It was to see what I was able to achieve attempting to replicate our skillful Japanese (Nips)
(never to be called that word again)

First up out with the one and only trusty plane.

Yeeks its a bit worse for wear!
So a good scrub up is in order first.

Next was a good grind on my Multitool.

That was a complete failure so I then spent the next 45 minutes with my Worksharp correcting the mess.
With that done not having a vice I just clamped up a stick of dumnnage to the end of my workbench and used it for the test sample..

At this stage I can only assume the timber used at the exibition was not some rubbish from the garden, however.

I managed to get some reasonably close results.

I was not able however to get full width and full length shavings consistantly, this is an example of the result.

All was not lost as I now have my plane purring like a 72 Monte Carlo, and managed to take a couple of nutsert shots for LBD to ruffle his feathers about.

This is a low profile nutsert 8 mm when they need to be flush with the surface.

This is a normal nutsert 8mm when a profile is not a concern.

corelz125: does that almost qualify for a handyman? yes no? Al Breit: Al’s video link above is possibly worth a look too
Sorry Pottzy I should have done a blog but its related to you subject so I left it here.
Next time you tell me not to watch something I will listen, and obey, ...that way I will not get into trouble!!

-- Regards Rob

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#23 posted 09-26-2018 11:47 PM



OK now the formalities are over lets get on with what I returned for.

It was to see what I was able to achieve attempting to replicate our skillful Japanese (Nips)

First up out with the one and only trusty plane.

Yeeks its a bit worse for wear!
So a good scrub up is in order first.

Next was a good grind on my Multitool.

That was a complete failure so I then spent the next 45 minutes with my Worksharp correcting the mess.
With that done not having a vice I just clamped up a stick of dumnnage to the end of my workbench and used it for the test sample..

At this stage I can only assume the timber used at the exibition was not some rubbish from the garden, however.

I managed to get some reasonably close results.

I was not able however to get full width and full length shavings consistantly, this is an example of the result.

All was not lost as I now have my plane purring like a 72 Monte Carlo, and managed to take a couple of nutsert shots for LBD to ruffle his feathers about.

This is a low profile nutsert 8 mm when they need to be flush with the surface.

This is a normal nutsert 8mm when a profile is not a concern.

Sorry Pottzy I should have done a blog but its related to you subject so I left it here.
Next time you tell me not to watch something I will listen, and obey, ...that way I will not get into trouble!!

- robscastle

no problem buddy i knew telling people not to look would only demand it being done by you,actually i figured no one would be interested in the airport or hotel room until some comments were made and i had to go have a look myself.now lets wait and see if you did ruffle duckies feathers-lol.

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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#24 posted 09-26-2018 11:48 PM

You got me!

-- Regards Rob

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#25 posted 09-27-2018 12:08 AM



OK now the formalities are over lets get on with what I returned for.

It was to see what I was able to achieve attempting to replicate our skillful Japanese (Nips)
(never to be called that again)

First up out with the one and only trusty plane.

Yeeks its a bit worse for wear!
So a good scrub up is in order first.

Next was a good grind on my Multitool.

That was a complete failure so I then spent the next 45 minutes with my Worksharp correcting the mess.
With that done not having a vice I just clamped up a stick of dumnnage to the end of my workbench and used it for the test sample..

At this stage I can only assume the timber used at the exibition was not some rubbish from the garden, however.

I managed to get some reasonably close results.

I was not able however to get full width and full length shavings consistantly, this is an example of the result.

All was not lost as I now have my plane purring like a 72 Monte Carlo, and managed to take a couple of nutsert shots for LBD to ruffle his feathers about.

This is a low profile nutsert 8 mm when they need to be flush with the surface.

This is a normal nutsert 8mm when a profile is not a concern.

corelz125: does that almost qualify for a handyman? yes no?

Sorry Pottzy I should have done a blog but its related to you subject so I left it here.
Next time you tell me not to watch something I will listen, and obey, ...that way I will not get into trouble!!

- robscastle

I have a feeling that a push plan won’t be able to obtain the results that a pull plane will just due to the physics of things. As you can see in the video, the ‘chip’ (if that term would be appropriate in this case) can be pulled out of the way of the plane. Western push planes will break the chip as the pushing action will always mean the chip will hit the plane and break.

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#26 posted 09-27-2018 12:25 AM

Just happy my No. 7c could do this well…

A Type 9 Stanley..just over 100 years old?

OEM iron, too….

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#27 posted 09-27-2018 12:25 AM

lumbering on said

“I have a feeling that a push plan won’t be able to obtain the results that a pull plane will just due to the physics of things. As you can see in the video, the ‘chip’ (if that term would be appropriate in this case) can be pulled out of the way of the plane. Western push planes will break the chip as the pushing action will always mean the chip will hit the plane and break.”

Absolutely, the geometry is wrong. Add the “Chip breaker” and you won’t be able to peel a longggggggg shaving as those very specialized Kana can, which have nothing except a sharp edge, placed on the latter half of the plane, rather than the front half like a Western plane, and a mouth that is essentially engineered, just to make ribbons, rather than do work. 2 different animals. I would think best you could do is some really nice feathery puffs that might even be thinner, but only for a short distance. I’ve tried pulling a Stanley, and they just don’t work like when I pull my Kana, and mine is not near as specialized as the ones on these videos. Mine is just considered a smoother.

-- Think safe, be safe

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#28 posted 09-27-2018 12:28 AM

Bandit, I was typing about feathery puffs when you were hitting send. Nice adjustment there. I can do that long on my lighter Stanleys, on my floats I can get really thin, but not even close to that long.

-- Think safe, be safe

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#29 posted 09-27-2018 01:18 AM

Rob you got that shaving from a Stanley handyman?

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#30 posted 09-27-2018 07:20 AM

Corelz125,

I am not sure what brand the the plane is, just has a number on the box T21628 as I checked after your post
I bought it from Trade Tools some time ago.
There is no actual brand on it anywhere, even the orange part where the name Stanley usually resides is blank.

Here is a picture of it.

$35 bucks so I guess it a bit of a roughie.

It would be interesting to have a Kana to repeat the process Oh well something for another day.

BTW what is te meaning of corelz125 it looks a bit like the name of a small motorbike.

-- Regards Rob

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corelz125

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#31 posted 09-27-2018 08:50 PM

No real meaning of the name just sort of a nick name. First time I heard it sounds like a motorbike people usually think it has to do with coral. You got it making nice shavings well worth the money. The tote and knob have rubber on them?

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#32 posted 09-27-2018 09:36 PM

Corelz125.
Yes both handles have a rubberised compound on them as opposed to the real ones Bandit has with wood parts.
Interestingly enough there is no name visible on his as well.

I think the worksharp 3000 has a lot to do with the final result too. The multi tool on my linisher might be OK for the grinding restoration of chisels and screwdrivers but it vibrates around too much for precision grinding and sharpening of the wider plane blades. ...just had another thought, its a radio call sign.?

-- Regards Rob

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#33 posted 09-27-2018 11:59 PM

He has an earlier stanley before they started putting the name on the lever cap. They look like they are comfortable to use. I have a newer bailey with the plastic handles they suck, not very comfortable. I use the worksharp 3000 also great little machine for sharpening. Haha no radio call sign.

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#34 posted 09-28-2018 12:27 AM

Boys and Girls, While we are flying about on the subject of planes… and chips…

I bought this Raleigh Glue Plane quite a few years ago… shizenhousen for planeing, but great for deep frying chips….

PS. For all the politically correct-amundos... No living potato was harmed in this post!

rc, thanks for the Stud pictures… missus loved them till she realised they were small screws… Still no “Stud Setter” supplier! (Will follow up seperately.)

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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#35 posted 09-28-2018 12:35 AM

Thats a good idea LBD now when the next compass plane comes home I can tell my wife it doubles as a potato peeler.

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#36 posted 09-28-2018 12:35 AM

OOPS! Nearly forgot… gar’n the Pies and the Storm...

Just added this to confuse pottzy, after all it’s his sabotaged blog… and I may not be sober to make any future posts over the next few days… regardless of the outcome… happy or sad!

rc, you may need to put your educator’s hat on… again!

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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#37 posted 09-28-2018 12:39 AM



Thats a good idea LBD now when the next compass plane comes home I can tell my wife it doubles as a potato peeler.
- corelz125
c’z125, Tell the missus that ALL woodworking tools are designed to make shoes fit better… Guaranteed to get a free pass every time!

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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#38 posted 09-28-2018 04:53 AM

Hey I have got two sureform files because one is used in the kitchen!
But I guess thats enough highjacking Pottzy’s blog.

Thats enough guessing I am go and see if I can look up a possible answer!

-- Regards Rob

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#39 posted 09-28-2018 09:12 AM

Hmmm maybe I’m the only one here who doesn’t use his planes so much and doesn’t even own diamond stones (can’t buy them here and are so expensive to import). For sharpening I just use those normal red/grey stones with kerosene for liquid… HAHAHA
Any idea what species of wood they use in the video?
Such straight grain and looks so soft !!!

-- Stelios L.A. Stavrinides: - I am not so rich to buy cheap tools, but... necessity is the mother of inventions !!!

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#40 posted 09-28-2018 01:36 PM



Hmmm maybe I m the only one here who doesn t use his planes so much and doesn t even own diamond stones (can t buy them here and are so expensive to import). For sharpening I just use those normal red/grey stones with kerosene for liquid… HAHAHA
Any idea what species of wood they use in the video?
Such straight grain and looks so soft !!!

- steliart

im pretty sure its clear doug fir buddy.

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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#41 posted 09-28-2018 01:40 PM



Hey I have got two sureform files because one is used in the kitchen!
But I guess thats enough highjacking Pottzy s blog.

Thats enough guessing I am go and see if I can look up a possible answer!

- robscastle

not a problem boys youve takin me on many a ride where i didnt know where we were going.hey im amazed your all even talking about planing at this point,normally these threads get so far off track no one even knows how it started-lol.

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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#42 posted 09-28-2018 01:43 PM


Hmmm maybe I m the only one here who doesn t use his planes so much and doesn t even own diamond stones (can t buy them here and are so expensive to import). For sharpening I just use those normal red/grey stones with kerosene for liquid… HAHAHA
Any idea what species of wood they use in the video?
Such straight grain and looks so soft !!!

- steliart

im pretty sure its clear doug fir buddy.

- pottz

Native Yellow Cedar….

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#43 posted 09-28-2018 01:47 PM

Was busy yesterday..making Ramon Noodles..

And, if I don’t keep clearing the plane, it will “disappear” under the pile of “noodles”.....Groovy, man…

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#44 posted 09-28-2018 01:51 PM


Hmmm maybe I m the only one here who doesn t use his planes so much and doesn t even own diamond stones (can t buy them here and are so expensive to import). For sharpening I just use those normal red/grey stones with kerosene for liquid… HAHAHA
Any idea what species of wood they use in the video?
Such straight grain and looks so soft !!!

- steliart

im pretty sure its clear doug fir buddy.

- pottz

Native Yellow Cedar….

- bandit571

looking at the video again i think your right bandit.

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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#45 posted 09-28-2018 08:29 PM

steliart you dont need the diamond plates to get the tools sharp. Robc and myself use the worksharp 3000 and that is only sand paper.

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#46 posted 09-28-2018 09:29 PM

Think the reason them planes cut so fine may be the Water Stones used to sharpen them?
I have Diamond stones, great for sharpening axes:) Recently got some good Arkansas Oils stones
which are great for most purposes, but if you want scary/stupid sharp Water stones only way to go! IMHO!
Learned to hand sharpen on Hock Irons with a Norton 1000/8000 combo stone for Wooden Krenov style planes
and the test was to be able read a newspaper through the shavings, crude measurement about half a thou.
Depending on the wood some real nice lace was created in practice!

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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LittleBlackDuck

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#47 posted 09-29-2018 01:00 AM


... normally these threads get so far off track no one even knows how it started-lol.
- pottz

Never one to disappoint.

Talking about planes… Keep buying the missus one way tickets around the world… Some mongrel must really hate me as he/she keeps buying her return tickets!

Still reckon they use lazagne sheets (pre-assembled) and those are chef knives separating the layers… Mixed with a bit od sushimi and you have one almighty feast!


steliart you dont need the diamond plates to get the tools sharp….
- corelz125

You don’t even need work the tools… Just stick to buying sharp timber!

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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#48 posted 09-29-2018 02:17 AM

hahaha lbd are you into the shiraz again?

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robscastle

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#49 posted 09-29-2018 08:02 AM

Sharaz again? ... how about Sharaz still!!! tee hee …BTW Thats a joke if you missed it!

Speaking of getting off the track Just wait until the LBD and Mae West pictures in the Spa are released!tee hee
BTW Thats yet another joke if you missed it!

Bloody sharp timber gets me every time.
Now a update on that handle, my checking on the net has sadly revealed very little: I looked up corelz cor and lz I was no further advanced on my knowledge.

-- Regards Rob

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#50 posted 09-30-2018 03:18 AM


Sharaz again? ... how about Sharaz still!!! tee hee …BTW Thats a joke if you missed it!

Speaking of getting off the track Just wait until the LBD and Mae West pictures in the Spa are released!tee hee
BTW Thats yet another joke if you missed it!

Bloody sharp timber gets me every time.
Now a update on that handle, my checking on the net has sadly revealed very little: I looked up corelz cor and lz I was no further advanced on my knowledge.

- robscastle


hell sounds good to me,see you guys tommorow,.....or later. hic!!!

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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