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Drawer slide guidance

by AandCstyle
posted 09-21-2018 04:25 PM


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PPK

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#1 posted 09-21-2018 04:39 PM

Oh, that’s easy.
Blum brand. Blumotion bottom mount. Blum hands-down makes the best slides. They’re pricey, but I’ve never had one fail, and price isn’t a concern for you.

https://www.amazon.com/563H5330B-Tandem-Blumotion-Drawer-Runner/dp/B00A2TBL52/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1537547952&sr=1-1&keywords=BLUM+563H5330B+Tandem+Plus+Blumotion+21%22+Drawer+Runner+Pair+for+Face+Frame%2C+Silver

Why:
-As I said above, they are very good quality.
-They’re bottom mount, so they can maximize the width of your roll-out, as opposed to side mount slides, where you’d lose a 1” of width
-They’ve got the soft close. This is nice, because of your drawer slams, it can really rattle the contents, and I’ve even had glass bowls crack from smashing against each other when being closed too rapidly.
-They are fully adjustable both directions
-The drawer can be easily detached with the the squeeze of the to latches. Re-installed by dropping the drawer onto the slides and pushing it back in. Done.

-- Pete

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PPK

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#2 posted 09-21-2018 04:41 PM

Warning: You might want to convert your whole kitchen over to these slides once you try them :-)

-- Pete

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sreilly24590

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#3 posted 09-21-2018 04:49 PM

I can’t say the brand or model but this is how ours is done. Of course these are 17 years old now and have held up very well….

-Steve

-- Steve, Virginia

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Mark

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#4 posted 09-21-2018 04:59 PM

Morning Art. I’ve got the “el cheapos” in my cabinets. They came with the cabs. That was back in the late 80’s early 90s. Still work well, but if I was to do it again I’d go with PPK on this.

-- Mark

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GR8HUNTER

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#5 posted 09-21-2018 05:03 PM

Accuride makes some very nice slides a bit cheaper then Blum :<))

-- Tony---- Reinholds,Pa.------ REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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waho6o9

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#6 posted 09-21-2018 05:04 PM

https://www.knapeandvogt.com/brands/kv-tru-trac

Used them for years, I like them.

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AlaskaGuy

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#7 posted 09-21-2018 05:04 PM

Personally I’d change those 2 cabinet to full drawer units. My last kitchen every cabinet possible was a drawer unit. Both I and the wife love it. Don’t have to open a doors to get to a pull out shelf. After all in my view a pullout shelf is just a drawer behind a door.

I know, doesn’t answer you question. The others guys already did.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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jerkylips

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#8 posted 09-21-2018 05:25 PM



Personally I d change those 2 cabinet to full drawer units. My last kitchen every cabinet possible was a drawer unit. Both I and the wife love it. Don t have to open a doors to get to a pull out shelf. After all in my view a pullout shelf is just a drawer behind a door.

I know, doesn t answer you question. The others guys already did.

- AlaskaGuy


It would be tough to convert them to drawers, but I agree with the thought – we had primarily drawers in our kitchen in the house we built & it was nice – easy to access stuff in the back, don’t have to worry about things falling out, etc. Drawers are the way to go.

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oldrivers

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#9 posted 09-21-2018 05:33 PM

Looks like Steve has summited an efficient workable plan you will lose very little if any usable space. I would use the full extension drawer slides where every thing is easy accessible.

-- Soli Deo gloria!

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AlaskaGuy

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#10 posted 09-21-2018 05:48 PM


Personally I d change those 2 cabinet to full drawer units. My last kitchen every cabinet possible was a drawer unit. Both I and the wife love it. Don t have to open a doors to get to a pull out shelf. After all in my view a pullout shelf is just a drawer behind a door.

I know, doesn t answer you question. The others guys already did.

- AlaskaGuy

It would be tough to convert them to drawers, but I agree with the thought – we had primarily drawers in our kitchen in the house we built & it was nice – easy to access stuff in the back, don t have to worry about things falling out, etc. Drawers are the way to go.

- jerkylips


It work be more work and more material but I don’t know why it would but “tough” especially since it looks like the cabinets are Red Oak with a clear finish.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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oldnovice

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#11 posted 09-21-2018 06:08 PM

I have made sliding shelves for my PC tower, the PC keybord tray, the water purification system, and the pantry.
In all those cases I used either Accuride or KV full extension slides.
It sure is better than a static shelf where you can’t reach what’s on the back.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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pintodeluxe

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#12 posted 09-21-2018 06:09 PM

I would just use whatever is on the rest of your kitchen drawers.
I’ve used blum soft close, and they’re fine.
I’ve used accuride and centerline ball bearing slides, and they’re fine.

What I don’t like is having one drawer ball bearing, and a nearby drawer soft close. Then the soft close ones seem annoying. Either will offer a 75-100# version that will support some pots and pans just fine.

I have a similar island with pull out drawers. The cabinet guy simply blocked out from the sides of the cabinet to mount the slides. This way the drawer doesn’t interfere with the hinges. He opted to sacrifice a little width, and keep the height. Your solution to build the drawer above the lower hinges will work fine too. You’ll sacrifice a little height to keep the width. And hey—- if you leave a couple inches under the bottom drawer, it might be a nice place to store baking trays and cookie trays.

Talk to you later

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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Rich

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#13 posted 09-21-2018 06:37 PM

Just for reference, the Blum slide that PPK posted the Amazon link for is almost $10 cheaper from Woodworker Express. I buy all of my Blum and Grass hardware from them.

https://www.woodworkerexpress.com/blum-563h-tandem-plus-blumotion-21in-undermount-drawer-slides.html

That said, using under mount for a shelf like that is kind of overkill since the slide will be visible anyway. I’d go with Steve’s side mount.

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splintergroup

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#14 posted 09-21-2018 06:41 PM

Egad, we have the same cookware!

Our lower cabinet shelves are pull out, very similar to what Steve showed (factory option).
I’d second any mention of the Blum soft close slides, great product. For mounting you may be able to incorporate the shelf holes into your design so the slide outs can be adjusted.

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Jerry

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#15 posted 09-21-2018 07:04 PM

This is what I use, strong, easy to install, and you say price is not a consideration, but you can’t beat the price of 10 pairs for $58.00. Available in any size you need.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MRZH15K/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

-- There are good ships and there are wood ships, the ships that sail the sea, but the best ships are friendships and may they always be. http://www.geraldlhunsucker.com/

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EarlS

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#16 posted 09-21-2018 07:25 PM

+1 on Blum soft close, full extension, heavy duty.

I favorited this LJ pull out project a few months back

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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lumbering_on

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#17 posted 09-21-2018 07:54 PM

This is a rather timely thread for me, as I was getting ready to do the same.

Has anyone done this for a corner cabinet, or would it be better to stick with a lazy susan?

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AlaskaGuy

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#18 posted 09-21-2018 08:15 PM



This is a rather timely thread for me, as I was getting ready to do the same.

Has anyone done this for a corner cabinet, or would it be better to stick with a lazy susan?

- lumbering_on

Picture of your corner cabinet?

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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Rich

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#19 posted 09-21-2018 08:32 PM


This is a rather timely thread for me, as I was getting ready to do the same.

Has anyone done this for a corner cabinet, or would it be better to stick with a lazy susan?

- lumbering_on

If it goes to a true 90º corner, then drawers then drawers are a good use of space. Otherwise you have to have an articulated door and notched lazy susan trays, and it gets pretty cramped inside. If it has a 45º section wide enough for a door, then a lazy susan works well.

Corner with drawers:

Corner with articulated door:

Corner with 45º segment:

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AandCstyle

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#20 posted 09-21-2018 08:35 PM

Thanks for all the replies. I ordered the Blums from woodworkerexpress.com. They were way cheaper than Amazon and a couple dollars less than cabinetparts.com.

-- Art

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