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Refinishing kitchen counter - suggestions?

by Pyro
posted 09-17-2018 08:33 PM


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chrisstef

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#1 posted 09-17-2018 08:36 PM

Id go with General Finishes High Performance. About 7 coats and a 2 week cure time after the final coat.

-- Its not a crack, its a casting imperfection.

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Pyro

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#2 posted 09-17-2018 08:45 PM

Chris,

I know which product you’re talking about but I’ve never used it. I’m worried about it holding up against heat. It is a water based poly isn’t it?

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chrisstef

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#3 posted 09-17-2018 09:07 PM

It is water based. Im not sure that any product will hold up to high heat though. Especially a low VOC.

-- Its not a crack, its a casting imperfection.

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Aj2

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#4 posted 09-17-2018 09:15 PM

Have a look at this stuff, zero Voc. https://www.rubiomonocoat.com/en/home?country=us
I’m a big fan of general finish but I totally agree with you not want to smell a finish gassing off esp when it’s not good for you.

-- Aj

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Pyro

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#5 posted 09-17-2018 09:23 PM

What do you guys think about something that isn’t a poly finish but also doesn’t invite you to use it as a cutting board? Any ideas?

Hm Aj2, this might fit the bill https://www.rubiomonocoat.com/en/p/products/interior/35-interior-wood-care-protection-products-us/colours-and-protects-in-1-single-layer/15-rmc-oil-2c?country=us

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bilyo

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#6 posted 09-17-2018 10:57 PM

If this “block” is not intended to be used for cutting then cover it with plastic laminate. It will be much more durable and maintenance free for a rental unit. I am assuming there is a low VOC contact cement that you can use.

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Pyro

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#7 posted 09-17-2018 11:17 PM



If this “block” is not intended to be used for cutting then cover it with plastic laminate. It will be much more durable and maintenance free for a rental unit. I am assuming there is a low VOC contact cement that you can use.

- bilyo

You are definitely right. The owners however do not want to use laminate because they like the look of butcher more.

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CWWoodworking

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#8 posted 09-17-2018 11:43 PM

Just leave it natural.

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bilyo

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#9 posted 09-17-2018 11:43 PM


You are definitely right. The owners however do not want to use laminate because they like the look of butcher more.

- Pyro

They do make plastic laminate that looks like butcher block. You might discuss it with them as most anything you do with the real butcher block in a rental unit will be a maintenance problem. It just invites someone to cut/chop on it.

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barada83

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#10 posted 09-18-2018 01:53 AM

Epoxy isn’t terribly stinky. Pain to apply and you have to let it sit for a few hours but its pretty durable. Not sure how durable it is to heat but chemical and water durability is very high. You can burn just about anything though so if some idiot lights a fire on top of it or puts a burning pan of bacon on top of it, all bets are off for just about anything.

-- Mike

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CWWoodworking

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#11 posted 09-18-2018 03:06 AM



Epoxy isn t terribly stinky. Pain to apply and you have to let it sit for a few hours but its pretty durable. Not sure how durable it is to heat but chemical and water durability is very high. You can burn just about anything though so if some idiot lights a fire on top of it or puts a burning pan of bacon on top of it, all bets are off for just about anything.

- barada83

What will epoxy look like when you chop on it and let wet stuff sit on it?

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CWWoodworking

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#12 posted 09-18-2018 03:12 AM

Thi

This is a 15+ yr old poplar cutting board. I waxed it when it was new, nothing since.

HEAVILY used. At least once a day.

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jerryminer

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#13 posted 09-18-2018 07:09 PM

In a rental, you are almost guaranteed that the block will be used for a cutting board. I would not put a film finish on it, as the cutting will cut into the finish.

Instead—as I do with all my wood countertops and boards, I would treat it with mineral oil and instruct the tenants on renewing the treatment periodically. Give them a bottle of MO. It’s cheap and renewable.

If needed, between tenants, you can sand and re-treat.

-- Jerry, making sawdust professionally since 1976

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01ntrain

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#14 posted 09-18-2018 08:06 PM

Watco makes a Butcher Block Oil…..I’ve used it on a few butcher-block countertops that I’ve installed. It’s kind of a middle of the road between a film-finish and straight mineral-oil. It’s food-safe, easy to apply and re-apply, and inexpensive. Like JM said, give them the can.

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Pyro

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#15 posted 09-18-2018 08:25 PM


In a rental, you are almost guaranteed that the block will be used for a cutting board. I would not put a film finish on it, as the cutting will cut into the finish.

Instead—as I do with all my wood countertops and boards, I would treat it with mineral oil and instruct the tenants on renewing the treatment periodically. Give them a bottle of MO. It s cheap and renewable.

If needed, between tenants, you can sand and re-treat.

- jerryminer

Jerry,

If the butcher block stays oiled will it keep out things like odors and stains from fruits and vegetables? I know I’ve seen some pieces that have been used for chopping lots of garlic and they smell quite a bit. Thanks Jerry.

Thanks to all of you guys for sharing your knowledge. You’ve saved me a lot of headaches and guessing games int he past. Much appreciated.

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Rich

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#16 posted 09-18-2018 08:30 PM


If the butcher block stays oiled will it keep out things like odors and stains from fruits and vegetables? I know I ve seen some pieces that have been used for chopping lots of garlic and they smell quite a bit. Thanks Jerry.

Thanks to all of you guys for sharing your knowledge. You ve saved me a lot of headaches and guessing games int he past. Much appreciated.

- Pyro

For about $9 or $10 at someplace like Sam’s Club you can buy a 15” x 18” plastic cutting board and provide that to the tenants to cut on. You’re right that a block counter top is going to get pretty nasty considering you can’t wash it very thoroughly.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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LittleShaver

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#17 posted 09-19-2018 12:39 PM

We use only mineral oil on our cutting boards and have not had a problem with stains or odors. We use them for everything except raw meats. Raw meat is done on a plastic board which goes through the dishwasher.

-- Sawdust Maker

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Rich

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#18 posted 09-19-2018 02:06 PM

Since we’re on the subject of cutting board cleanliness, I highly recommend a product called Steramine. It’s used by bars and restaurants as a sanitizer on surfaces, etc. The final rinse sink behind the bar at your favorite watering hole will contain it, or another brand of sanitizer. I keep a spray bottle handy to use as a final step in cleaning boards, knives, etc.

It comes in bottles of 100 tablets for just a few dollars and each tablet makes 1 gallon of sanitizer.

Here’s the manufacturer’s web site for more info on what it kills, etc. https://www.sanitize.com

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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jerryminer

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#19 posted 09-20-2018 05:53 PM

If the butcher block stays oiled will it keep out things like odors and stains from fruits and vegetables? I know I ve seen some pieces that have been used for chopping lots of garlic and they smell quite a bit. Thanks Jerry.

MO will help to reduce stains and odors, but won’t prevent them. Red wine, berry juice, beets, etc. will stain a wood countertop. The intensity of the stain will depend on how well-oiled the wood and how long the product stays on the wood. Over the life of a wood counter, a “patina” will develop. Don’t expect a wood top to remain pristine. Learn to appreciate the patina.

Like antique furniture, the “character” of the piece develops over time, and reflects the history of the individual piece.

-- Jerry, making sawdust professionally since 1976

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