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China tariffs

by MrRon
posted 06-23-2018 11:18 PM


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#1 posted 06-24-2018 12:39 AM

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#2 posted 06-24-2018 12:41 AM



This is not intended to be a controversial, or confrontational post. Please don t turn it into one.

- MrRon


You know exactly how this will turn out. This country has been thought tariff wars before. Your old enough to know how that works too.

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#3 posted 06-24-2018 12:44 AM

The subject matter is inherently political and controversial. There is nothing to discuss if we don’t delve into the political aspects of the decision.

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#4 posted 06-24-2018 01:01 AM

Long overdue. I’m no fan of the current administration but I give credit when it’s due. The status quo was good for businessmen but bad for the country.

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#5 posted 06-24-2018 01:26 AM

There’s simply no way that consumers will not suffer under these tariffs. You might see some industries that are cut off from foreign markets lowering domestic prices temporarily (as they also lower output), but overall prices will go up.

We should all hope that the administration wins concessions from China that convinces the President to change course.

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#6 posted 06-24-2018 01:34 AM

Good question Ron.

If you have not done so, there are some great podcasts from Planet Money on the Trade War which are worth listening to. Also from Freakonomics. I love that nerdy stuff.

In short, no one wins in a trade war. The good news is that while some good becomes more expensive (reasonable % usually), others become less. I would not worry about it much. Unless you think you need to wait to buy a bunch of steel good a few weeks after a tariff is in place.

I notice a lot of complaining about tools being made in Asia on this site. They have factories that are pretty high-tech over there. Maybe new is different than old, but my iPhone is pretty cool and it was not made in Ohio. One benefit of a trade war is that it may become more reasonable to make certain tools here in the USA. Don’t count on that though, the next President will be cheered for undoing the madness in a couple years.

There is always a different opportunity in each market or with each administration. People who recognize them usually do well in any government.

I appreciate you Ron. Good question and no reason that cannot stay civil.

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#7 posted 06-24-2018 01:43 AM

They say the price of beer will go up. Now thats just a low blow.

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#8 posted 06-24-2018 01:45 AM

My opinion is that the status quo won’t change much. US manufacturers can’t compete, even with a 25% artificial advantage. The only effect it will really have is to raise government revenue at the expense of people who want to buy equipment. We, as a nation, need to do some soul searching as to why we can’t compete with the rest of the world and solve that problem instead.

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#9 posted 06-24-2018 02:42 AM



My opinion is that the status quo won t change much. US manufacturers can t compete, even with a 25% artificial advantage. The only effect it will really have is to raise government revenue at the expense of people who want to buy equipment. We, as a nation, need to do some soul searching as to why we can t compete with the rest of the world and solve that problem instead.

- ArtMann

AGREE!!

Rick

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#10 posted 06-24-2018 03:51 AM


I wonder what will be the impact of the China tariffs on our tools.
- MrRon

Well, most Chinese made Grizzly woodworking machines go up a straight 25% on July 6th, including any backorders where the machines are not in the US by the 6th. So the answer to your question seems to be a SIGNIFICANT price increase.

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#11 posted 06-24-2018 03:59 AM

It will be good for the environment too much stuff sold is useless junk and is just filling up our landfills. Even 4th of July decorations are made in China.
It’s just out of control. Long over due

-- Aj

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#12 posted 06-24-2018 04:38 AM



They say the price of beer will go up. Now thats just a low blow.

- corelz125

Price of quality Vodka unaffected.
(quality Vodka is defined as you cannot read the bottle because it is in Cryllic and is made from potato mash) = IMHO

LOL

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#13 posted 06-24-2018 04:46 AM

I drink bourbon so they can hike vodka all they want, lol.

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#14 posted 06-24-2018 04:54 AM

Guess I need to get my WEN drill press this week. Rumor has it they are hiking the price.

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#15 posted 06-24-2018 04:55 AM



I drink bourbon so they can hike vodka all they want, lol.

- Woodknack

ROFL, read that a bourbon warehouse collapsed. Price hike???

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#16 posted 06-24-2018 05:40 AM

My concern is how the Chinese tariffs will affect the farmers of corn, soybeens, and pork; some of their largest exports are to China.

It’s hard enough being a farmer but when you can’t sell your products, what do you do then?

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#17 posted 06-24-2018 06:11 AM



My concern is how the Chinese tariffs will affect the farmers of corn, soybeens, and pork; some of their largest exports are to China.

It s hard enough being a farmer but when you can t sell your products, what do you do then?

- oldnovice

Just look at the futures markets, they reacted to this over a month ago. The short version is the direction of these commodities just changed direction. China will buy from the markets that shipped to the rest of the world and the US farmers will ship to the places that previously bought from the other producing countries. Food commodities are somewhat of a zero sum game.

My question is what industry is being protected by placing high tariffs on milling and planing woodworking machines? Are people going to start buying $15+k Northfield planers instead of 3-4K Chinese planers? Will companies start to build planers here in the US again not knowing which way the wind will blow regarding the tariffs? My guess to both is no.

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#18 posted 06-24-2018 10:16 AM

You mentioned seafood. Just read an article in our local newspaper here in Maine. Lobstermen say that the tariffs from China have been announced and Lobster is on the list. The scenario they outline is that lobster to China (which purchases a lot) will mostly come from Canada as it will be less expensive. They also have good long terms shipping systems. Our lobster will go down to about $2 a pound locally as it has in the past but that was for another reason when they couldn’t ship it out. Lobstermen end up selling their boats.

Doesn’t really matter anyway, The gulf stream has been steadily warming up. Lobsters need cold water. They’re moving north. Extensive study released this year by international group says Maine lobster industry will be severely depleted in about ten years.

Quote from Rueters. Rep senator Orin Hatch at senate briefing on the trade war:

“The average price of an imported car is $23,200,” Hatch said. “If the Department of Commerce were to recommend a 25 percent tariff on cars, it would be recommending raising the cost of an average imported car for an American family by $5800.”

I’d think the car companies would have to dowward adjust that increase but it still might be substantial. I don’t see why table saws would not follow the same logic.

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#19 posted 06-24-2018 11:53 AM

Here is what I don’t understand about this. Companies make and sell products. They have costs in people, manufacturing, marketing and sales. They then make a profit. This is true if they are in the US, Italy, China, wherever. Why should any government get a cut of the action? I get the cost of infrastructure necessary to support commerce, but that is up to the individual country how to manage on their own. The US should not subsidize another countries infrastructure, nor should our infrastructure be subsidized. Some industries will excel in the US and others will not. And that’s OK

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#20 posted 06-24-2018 12:07 PM

The topic of tariffs is drawing all kinds of comments. Sadly, there is very little actual information being presented anywhere. It is truly sad that the news organizations deal in anything but facts. It is sad to see tool prices going up so much like Grizzly who has said they will go up by 25%.

All that being said and without looking at any data, I am for fair trade and not one country having higher tariffs on imported goods.

If you are interested, here is a reasonably good comparison of tariffs.

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#21 posted 06-24-2018 01:52 PM

Why should any government get a cut of the action?

- becikeja

It’s not about getting a cut, it is about manipulating the price of a goods to promote manufacturing of that same good in your own country.

Buy more Powermatic… and to make it easier for you, we are raising the price of Grizzly to encourage you to do that.

The problem with that is the raw material tariff. Even if PM makes a product in the US, they probably had to get its materials from Asia.

The site Redoak linked to above is a good quick read. All of the news is overblown and to think that there is a justification for Grizzly to raise prices by 25% without letting this play out is irresponsible at best. That plays into the hype from a tariff war.

This is all temporary. The next administration will get a pat on the back for undoing this stupidity. But like when oil prices go down and gas slowly follows, Grizzly (and others) will make a lot more money because they will be able to reduce their prices somewhat and keep a good % of that new price hike permanently.

My advice: Chill out. If you need a band saw. Buy one when you need it and can afford it. It is supposed to last you 30+ years, right? So $150 more should not have a significant effect on your life over that time period.

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#22 posted 06-24-2018 02:08 PM

If you do the math:
U.S.A. made, $15hr. + h/w $12hr then tariff into Chicom +50%=
Chicom made, $0-1hr. + h/w$0hr then tariff into U.S.A +25%=
Hard to compete with slave labor and monetary manipulation.
As said we are not getting true information from our media on this or any other news;

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#23 posted 06-24-2018 05:32 PM

Powermatic is made in China, same as Grizzly. So if Grizzly has to raise prices so will everyone else.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#24 posted 06-24-2018 05:57 PM



Powermatic is made in China, same as Grizzly. So if Grizzly has to raise prices so will everyone else.

- Woodknack

Yep – bad example. Used to be made here.

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#25 posted 06-24-2018 08:29 PM


Why should any government get a cut of the action?

- becikeja

It s not about getting a cut, it is about manipulating the price of a goods to promote manufacturing of that same good in your own country.

Buy more Powermatic… and to make it easier for you, we are raising the price of Grizzly to encourage you to do that.

My advice: Chill out. If you need a band saw. Buy one when you need it and can afford it. It is supposed to last you 30+ years, right? So $150 more should not have a significant effect on your life over that time period.

- BroncoBrian

The question is what industry is the government trying to protect with the woodworking machines listed in the HTSUS? We have Northfield and specialty manufacturers like Ritter and Vega but Northfield is unlikely to see a single extra $15k+ machine as a result of this.

You also mention it will likely be undone. The fact it reads like a negotiation tactic is the reason no sane manufacturer will spend capital to start or increase US production of woodworking machines because if (likely when) it is repealed they will get caught holding the bag.

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#26 posted 06-24-2018 08:33 PM


The fact it reads like a negotiation tactic is the reason no sane manufacturer will spend capital to start or increase US production of woodworking machines because if (likely when) it is repealed they will get caught holding the bag.

- AHuxley

100% true! And this is why a trade war has never done anything but hurt everyone. The manufacturing country loses labor, the new tariff country pays more for stuff. And then it changes again.

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#27 posted 06-24-2018 09:02 PM

For information, car shipped to Europe have a 10% tariff while cars shipped to US from Europe have a 2.5% tariff.

China had a 25% tariff and lowering it to 15%.

Overall average China tariffs are 7.76% and US is 2.79%. (Source was World Bank estimates)

It is time for fair trade between countries.

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#28 posted 06-24-2018 09:30 PM

Today I found fresh swordfish in my local market selling for $8.99/lb. I don’t know if this is the result of a tariff, but I bought some for my dinner tonight. The same market has Chilean sea bass for $29.99/lb; I won’t be buying it any time soon and Maine lobsters are selling for $17.95/lb. These prices are in Ocean Springs, Mississippi. Sorry if this is somewhat OT.

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#29 posted 06-24-2018 09:51 PM

China will see a crash in it’s real estate market that will make our bubble burst pale in comparison. You Mark my words. Lack of tariffs are tied to Chinas realestate and infrastructure building boom.
It will all fall like a safe.

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#30 posted 06-24-2018 10:32 PM

Make no mistake. China is an enemy of the U.S. They have severely hurt American industries going back many years. They steal our technology, infiltrate our universities and pilfer our intellectual properties. They require American companies, that want a presence in China and their 1.5 billion potential customers, to partner with a state owned entity and then, once the company is up and running, kick out the Americans and steal the whole enchilada. They manipulate their currency to disadvantage their trading partners by making their exports cheap.

To add insult to injury, many American corporations, entrepreneurs and CEO’s look at short term financial gains and sell out to the Chinese who are only too glad to be buyers rather than developers of the cutting edge tech they so desperately need. “China 2025” is the Chinese goal of being the worldwide leader in global supply of everything high tech. That’s their endgame.

I’m all for free and fair trade but believe that the trade imbalances with China should be addressed and tariffs are one way to get them to change their ways. If they don’t want a trade war (and, after all, who does?) they have other options available to them to bring about a more equitable trading environment.

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#31 posted 06-24-2018 11:17 PM

I agree with Ripper. China is not our friend. They want to take over. Someone above said we need to rethink our Economic practices to learn how to compete with them. Like what Become a communist state? Have acast system and no safety regulations? Rampant Pollution with recless abandon. Thats the real china. Trade war will lead to a collapse in their economy and may lead to a real war.One they wont win.

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#32 posted 06-25-2018 12:01 AM

When we have Europe and China blustering about trade you know they’re worried.

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#33 posted 06-25-2018 12:28 AM



For information, car shipped to Europe have a 10% tariff while cars shipped to US from Europe have a 2.5% tariff.

China had a 25% tariff and lowering it to 15%.

Overall average China tariffs are 7.76% and US is 2.79%. (Source was World Bank estimates)

It is time for fair trade between countries.

- Redoak49


Trucks from EU have a 25% tarriff.

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#34 posted 06-25-2018 12:31 AM

Just read that tariff from Nov-17 on softwood lumber from Canada is adding $9,000 to the cost of a single family home.

How does that help anyone?

https://www.nahb.org/en/news-and-publications/press-releases/2018/06/builders-discuss-rising-lumber-prices-with-commerce-secretary-ross.aspx

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#35 posted 06-25-2018 12:39 AM

Not politics, just info. You may or not know about.
China, Russia , others are trying to change oil purchases from US dollars to the Chicom dollar. That would be bad for the US dollar, as in we printed enormous amounts of dollars, to ? buy our way out of the depression and with no oil backing the use of the dollar you will need a wheelbarrow full to buy bread.

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#36 posted 06-25-2018 12:55 AM

I notice a lot of complaining about tools being made in Asia on this site. They have factories that are pretty high-tech over there. Maybe new is different than old, but my iPhone is pretty cool and it was not made in Ohio.

Oh, there is a good reason for that and it has been well-publicized…

NY Times. Jan 21, 2012:

How the U.S. Lost Out on iPhone Work
Apple executives say that going overseas, at this point, is their only option. One former executive described how the company relied upon a Chinese factory to revamp iPhone manufacturing just weeks before the device was due on shelves. Apple had redesigned the iPhone’s screen at the last minute, forcing an assembly line overhaul. New screens began arriving at the plant near midnight.

A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company’s dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames. Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day.

Communist totalitarian government allows China to treat its people like serfs! It allows Apple to recover from poor planning and design decisions without suffering in the marketplace. Communist China is a capitalist’s wet dream where all this BS about treating workers fairly and any preservation of the environment simply CANNOT be allowed to get in the way of PROFIT!

If we really want to compete with China, all we have to do is surrender our freedom and accept the Communist way of life.

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#37 posted 06-25-2018 01:12 AM

Crazy story EEngineer. There is power in controlling poverty.

I was certainly not saying that they should make our stuff, not that China is treating people well. Only that they can really crank out some stuff at a good consumer value. So if a tool is made there, it is not right to assume it’s garbage.

Has anyone read The Absent Superpower?

Such a great read and it is a good lesson in how fragile the Asian countries really are. Strongly recommended.

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#38 posted 06-25-2018 01:51 AM

Only that they can really crank out some stuff at a good consumer value.

”Sir, I do firmly believe that domestic slavery, regulated as ours is, produces the highest toned, the purest, best organization of society that has ever existed on the face of the earth.” James H. Hammond, Congressman from South Carolina (1830’s)

“Today as always, men fall into two groups: slaves and free men. Whoever does not have two-thirds of his day for himself, is a slave, whatever he may be: a statesman, a businessman, an official, or a scholar.” Friedrich Nietzsche

Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally. Abraham Lincoln

Like Lincoln, if you truly believe that the Communist Chinese way is so damned good, I urge you to go try it!

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#39 posted 06-25-2018 02:42 AM


Like Lincoln, if you truly believe that the Communist Chinese way is so damned good, I urge you to go try it!

- EEngineer

No thanks. I spend my years fighting for justice all around the world. I do not support the party or the control that China has over its people.

I was not suggesting that they are good, right or fair. My statement about Chinese made tools was only that a tool made in China is not a bad tool because it is Chinese. I would prefer that tool made in the USA, or Uganda or Spain. But you have to be willing to pay for that cost.

-If you are married and your wife wears makeup… over 20,000 children work in mines to produce mica, 25% of the world’s supply of the shiny stuff in makeup and lipstick

-Avocados are mostly controlled by drug cartels

-Coffee in Nicaragua, cobalt in DR Congo, and the list goes on.

Definitely not advocating for any of that.

That Hammond quote makes my blood boil.

The lack of respect for human life is man’s greatest failure.

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#40 posted 06-25-2018 03:30 AM

No thanks. I spend my years fighting for justice all around the world. I do not support the party or the control that China has over its people.

But you make statements like this:
Only that they can really crank out some stuff at a good consumer value.

and then attack when anybody brings up a Chinese negative…
Avacados… Coffee… cobalt…

Your “fight for justice” is right here, right now. Ah, but I see, I have already been condemned by your comments so I should just shut up now, eh?

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#41 posted 06-25-2018 04:17 AM


Communist totalitarian government allows China to treat its people like serfs!
- EEngineer

Attempting to tie that to totalitarian regimes of any sort is farcical.

It is a byproduct of an industrial revolution not the type of government. These sorts of actions occurred in every major industrial revolution no matter what form of government the country had, even our fine Republic. We shouldn’t forget prior to our industrial revolution we as a country sold a few bales of cotton produced on the backs of people treated lower than serfs. Before you point out that was over 150 years ago keep in mind in the Chinese perspective of a countries history it might as well have been last month.

China’s economic power will wax and wane just like every other industrial country has, it will likely happen on a faster scale as countries like India are poised to step up.

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#42 posted 06-25-2018 04:49 AM

It is a byproduct of an industrial revolution not the type of government. These sorts of actions occurred in every major industrial revolution no matter what form of government the country had, even our fine Republic.

Ahhh, but here is the difference – with our fine capitalistic masters and the global economy, those same masters are more than willing to sell out their free workers to slaves because it produces a better profit. With our free country, those tendencies were abrogated. We fought an entire Civil War to get rid of slaves, what the hell are we gonna do with China to eliminate that? Let me remind you, trade with China was opened by Richard Nixon – the only president who was going to be impeached on LEGAL grounds.

AHuxley – how ironic! Are you missing that?

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#43 posted 06-25-2018 06:42 AM



We fought an entire Civil War to get rid of slaves, what the hell are we gonna do with China to eliminate that?

AHuxley – how ironic! Are you missing that?

- EEngineer

I love it, “what are WE gonna do with China to eliminate that?”. We don’t do anything, the Chinese workers will (and are) going to do the same things American workers did despite the totalitarian government.

The major irony I see is the American consumer made China, then complains about the results. They then want the government to fix the problem when the power is really in the consumer’s hands. If WE really want to “fix” the issue just pull out the wallet and buy American or at least from a country that shares your ideals as far as workers and the environment.

All the industrial revolutions have all had similar arcs and China’s will be no different.

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#44 posted 06-25-2018 07:04 AM



The major irony I see is the American consumer made China…

- AHuxley

No they didn’t. Politicians and capitalists made China to exploit cheap labor for the benefit of capitalists.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#45 posted 06-25-2018 12:03 PM


The major irony I see is the American consumer made China…

- AHuxley

No they didn t. Politicians and capitalists made China to exploit cheap labor for the benefit of capitalists.

- Woodknack


We as consumers were more concerned about money than anything else. Even patriotism, so we did make China. We made a choice everytime we made a purchase. We allowed companies to offshore profitably and they realized price was all that mattered to most people.

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#46 posted 06-25-2018 12:21 PM

While I dislike having to pay more for a tool, I think something had to be done to combat unfair and unequal tariffs.

I also think that companies will take advantage of this and raise prices more than the increased tariff.

The tariff on tools will be 25% of the price they pay for the product. Some mfg have already said they will raise prices 25%. This is more than the increased tariff cost.

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#47 posted 06-25-2018 12:29 PM

I blame myself. Our fathers fought through a depression and then a horrible war, came home and went to work, and worked hard, sacrificed, organized, built a middle class that was the envy of the world.
We, the boomer generation, got sold that our pathway to keeping a comfortable lifestyle in the face of shrinking wages, was cheap, foreign made goods. I was short sighted and selfish. Now, by allowing myself to turn my back on my fellow Americans in the name of cheap goods, I feel like I have failed America, and most of all, our children, who will not have the opportunities we had.
Now, I can’t buy stuff made here even if I wanted to. What have I done?
Patriotism used to mean standing up for each other, now, its just a word politicians use….

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#48 posted 06-25-2018 12:46 PM



Just read that tariff from Nov-17 on softwood lumber from Canada is adding $9,000 to the cost of a single family home.

How does that help anyone?

https://www.nahb.org/en/news-and-publications/press-releases/2018/06/builders-discuss-rising-lumber-prices-with-commerce-secretary-ross.aspx

- RobS888

Framing lumber at the local box store is up 75% over six months ago. The big builders maybe have enough cash on hand to ride this out until someone blinks, but small businesses stuck with contracts based on last year’s material costs are sunk.

Supposedly this is going to help out domestic producers, but the big ones like Weyerhaeuser, Georgia-Pacific, and West Fraser have holdings in both the US and Canada. Shifting operations south will create a few jobs, but the skilled ones will go to current employees coming down on L visas.

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#49 posted 06-25-2018 01:16 PM

Does anyone know what Canada charges as import tariffs for US lumber. Or, how much the Canadian government is subsidizing the softwood lumber. These are important issues in understanding the tariff issue on lumber.

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#50 posted 06-25-2018 01:39 PM



They say the price of beer will go up. Now thats just a low blow.

- corelz125


Easy solution brew your own. Better and fun too. I’ve not drank commercial brews in a while now. Cheers!

-- Sooner or later Liberals run out of other people's money.

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