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HF must think we are stupid

by MrRon
posted 04-25-2018 04:36 PM


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#1 posted 04-25-2018 04:55 PM

So they are giving their tools some fancy names, big deal. I don’t see them as trying to con anyone. They are just trying to market their product. They’ve used names like Pittsburgh Professional and Central Pneumatic for years. Compare too only means price point for similar functionally, not quality.

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#2 posted 04-25-2018 04:58 PM

If you go to HF looking for quality tools you are a fool. I go there with the expectations that tools I buy are expendable and not meant to become heirlooms. Remember to recycle the metal parts.

-- Les B, Oregon

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#3 posted 04-25-2018 05:08 PM

Consider me conned.

HF has always carried “branded” tools. Pittsburgh, , Chicago Electric, Drill Master, Chicago Pneumatic, and Predator are Harbor Freight brands that they’ve always carried. Now, they’ve started selling higher-end tools so they’ve decided to differentiate them with different brands such as Hercules, Earthquake, Bauer, Vulcan, etc. Even the most cursory inspection will show that these tools are light years better than their previous stuff.

I’ve taken a look at Harbor Freight’s line of “named” tools. Their Hercules line of battery operated tools will be what I get when my Makita and DeWalt stuff’s batteries die (again). The tools themselves are of rather good quality and the batteries are reasonably priced (unlike everyone else’s).

I’ve also looked into their Vulcan welders The Hercules sliding compound miter saw has some rough edges, but for the price, it works extremely well.

Their new “high end” electrician’s tools are very nice.

I’ve also taken a close look at their Vulcan line of Welders and have been very impressed at the quality, especially given the price point.

Half the hand tools in my cabinet came from HF. Their ratchets have provided service every bit as good as my old (USA Made) Craftsman stuff…and I am VERY hard on my hand tools.

I’m not a fool (at least…I don’t THINK I’m a fool) and I know a lot of guys who aren’t fools who shop there. We all go in with our eyes wide open. Some of their tools, we buy because it’s cheaper than renting them. Others, we buy because no one else carries them in a retail setting (a lot of their automotive stuff is impossible to find anywhere else).

-- Somewhere between raising hell and amazing grace.

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#4 posted 04-25-2018 05:14 PM

I should also add that their US General line of tool cabinets have always been great. I own one and would recommend them to anyone. No, they aren’t Snap-On…But Snap On costs 600% more. They are definitely better (and less expensive) than any of the big box stuff.

-- Somewhere between raising hell and amazing grace.

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#5 posted 04-25-2018 05:16 PM

If you can stomach some foul language, check out a YouTuber by the name of AvE. He does a lot of uncompensated teardowns and tells it like it is.

There has been a noticeable change in quality.

I’ve got a few power tools that have originated from HF. If I use it once and it completes the job intact, I’m good, I’ve broken even. If I can get two jobs out of it, I’m making money on it.

For what it’s worth, their F style adjustable clamps, the screw kind, have a lifetime warranty and work great. I’m not afraid to have a wall full of them as I build my clamp collection.

-- Sawdust makes me whole --Mike in STL

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#6 posted 04-25-2018 05:33 PM

You’ve really blown the lid off this thing. You gonna call 60 minutes or 20/20?

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#7 posted 04-25-2018 05:55 PM

Caveat emptor. With that in mind, there are some decent buys at HF.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#8 posted 04-25-2018 05:58 PM

Sounds like Mr. Ron was having a bad day and needed to go into attack mode. There’s an old saying that goes: Let the buyer beware. If you go into a discount house, or bargain basement store, don’t expect to make a killing, after all, you get what you pay for, there’s no free lunch, and so on.
For me, HF is great for expendables – sandpaper, cheap diamond plates for sharpening, and a $14.00 angle grinder I needed but only used once.

-- "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln

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#9 posted 04-25-2018 05:59 PM

Caveat emptor. With that in mind, there are some decent buys at HF.
- Gene Howe

There are quite a few great products actually… but as a general rule, none of them have any electronics in them :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#10 posted 04-25-2018 06:34 PM



Consider me conned.

HF has always carried “branded” tools. Pittsburgh, , Chicago Electric, Drill Master, Chicago Pneumatic, and Predator are Harbor Freight brands that they ve always carried. Now, they ve started selling higher-end tools so they ve decided to differentiate them with different brands such as Hercules, Earthquake, Bauer, Vulcan, etc. Even the most cursory inspection will show that these tools are light years better than their previous stuff.

I ve taken a look at Harbor Freight s line of “named” tools. Their Hercules line of battery operated tools will be what I get when my Makita and DeWalt stuff s batteries die (again). The tools themselves are of rather good quality and the batteries are reasonably priced (unlike everyone else s).

I ve also looked into their Vulcan welders The Hercules sliding compound miter saw has some rough edges, but for the price, it works extremely well.

Their new “high end” electrician s tools are very nice.

I ve also taken a close look at their Vulcan line of Welders and have been very impressed at the quality, especially given the price point.

Half the hand tools in my cabinet came from HF. Their ratchets have provided service every bit as good as my old (USA Made) Craftsman stuff…and I am VERY hard on my hand tools.

I m not a fool (at least…I don t THINK I m a fool) and I know a lot of guys who aren t fools who shop there. We all go in with our eyes wide open. Some of their tools, we buy because it s cheaper than renting them. Others, we buy because no one else carries them in a retail setting (a lot of their automotive stuff is impossible to find anywhere else).

- CRAIGCLICK

FWIW, the HF batteries are cheaper because they’re lower quality, and lack a lot of the protection built into the higher end batteries. You can get the same quality batteries on eBay for all the name brand tools. I have a mix of Makita and no-name batteries, and while the no-names don’t last as long, they’re too cheap to care about, and perform the same for the year or two I get out of them. Best of both worlds, a significantly better tool with cheap batteries.

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#11 posted 04-25-2018 07:34 PM

Marketing is marketing no matter the company it is done for. They follow the 9 in 10 rule. 9 times out of 10 the person seeing the product is a potential sale on name, packaging, warranty etc etc. Even where the item is placed is a factor. Many times they have paid for that particular spot.

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#12 posted 04-25-2018 07:42 PM

As if the feeble minded have never been preyed upon before… so far in America caveat emptor prevails, perhaps not much longer as the media and govt keep pulling hard left

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#13 posted 04-25-2018 08:13 PM

The Bauer brand kind of cracks me up as they practically copied the logo from Bauer hockey. It’s a slightly different font, but it’s an italicized sans-serif white/black in a box. I think the similarity was intentional.

But yeah, AvE did a teardown of some of these new ones, and they’ve improved the quality.

It’s not totally surprising, Menards has their branded tools… Tool Shop, Performax, Master Force that identify different quality levels. I suspect another reason for HF to do this, is so they can clarify the 20% off coupon doesn’t apply.

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#14 posted 04-25-2018 08:28 PM

There was a pretty funny parody of HF going around the web a while back…google “Hazard Fraught Tools” if you are in need of a laugh or two. You can call something anything you want, but the name, by and of itself, doesn’t change anything. They make me laugh…”Made in Pittsburgh”......Pittsburgh, China!!!!

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#15 posted 04-25-2018 08:49 PM

Nobody forces any of you to actually go into Harbor Freight stores….even with a paper bag over your head, so no one else could see you.

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#16 posted 04-25-2018 09:01 PM

^^^ Now that, is funny.

-- Sawdust makes me whole --Mike in STL

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#17 posted 04-25-2018 09:16 PM



I should also add that their US General line of tool cabinets have always been great. I own one and would recommend them to anyone. No, they aren t Snap-On…But Snap On costs 600% more. They are definitely better (and less expensive) than any of the big box stuff.

- CRAIGCLICK


I have one of the big roll around ones. It’s just as nice as the Craftsman boxes and less money. Well built weighs in at about 300# and does what it needs to do.

The welders are written up as some of the nicer welders for the beginner or weekend warrior for the money.

-- mrg

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#18 posted 04-25-2018 09:22 PM

I don’t know much about woodworking tools but HF is one of my favourite stores. I have a shop full of their junk and they (almost) all work fine for me.

-- Paul M ..............the early bird may get the worm but it’s the second mouse that gets the cheese! http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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#19 posted 04-25-2018 09:39 PM

Ron, don’t take this wrong now, but where did you get that new hip again? :))
Yes, an old whipper snapper.

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#20 posted 04-25-2018 09:40 PM

HF’s creation of these new brands is very much a strategic move on several fronts. While HF reps have stated in other forums that they’re looking to improve quality, the new branding is of course primarily an attempt to dupe customers into thinking it is a higher quality product at a relative bargain price. The items with the new branding generally do look nice, especially compared to the old branding, so between the looks, the less generic sounding names, and some improvement in quality, they’ve created more appealing products. More importantly to their bottom line though, by differentiating these products they can try to justify a more premium price. While they are still less expensive than the name brand products, we’re talking like 75% of the price, compared to 50% of the price for the old brands. I doubt their manufacturing costs have gone up that much, so they’re just looking to squeeze out more profits by selling at a higher price. Sales prices scale upwards at a higher rate than costs, so the higher the cost the greater the profit margin.

The troubling part of this move to create new brands is that part of the deal with shopping at HF is that you always use a 20 or 25% off coupon (excluding certain classes of items), but as MinnesotaSteve said they’re typically excluding the new brands from those discounts. This is unfortunate if you were looking to buy one of the newly branded products, but will become more problematic as they start to phase out the older brands to which the coupons still apply. The days of getting cheap, occasional use tools at HF are coming to an end, to be replaced by tools closer to the name brands in quality and price.

I wager a lot of people will just pay the little bit extra for the name brand for the things they really want (like who is going to buy the Hercules 12” miter saw clone of the Dewalt for $400, not even considering you can often find the Dewalt on sale for the same or less?), and they’ll lose the impulse “I could use this but don’t really need it… but it is so cheap I might as well” sales.

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#21 posted 04-25-2018 09:55 PM

I think HF is trying to fill the void left by Sears. Midrange tools in both price and quality. Something between Snap-on or Festool and bottom of the barrel junk. Craftsman used to fill that niche, but Sears seems pretty much to be toast. Some Big box stores like Lowes and Home Depot are trying to do the same thing with their store brands.

-- Ted

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#22 posted 04-25-2018 10:24 PM

“Conned”? Read the reviews first before buying. I have absolutely no problem with HF. That’s like comparing a Dollar Store to Nordstroms.


As if the feeble minded have never been preyed upon before… so far in America caveat emptor prevails, perhaps not much longer as the media and govt keep pulling hard left

- OSU55

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#23 posted 04-25-2018 10:35 PM

I doubt their manufacturing costs have gone up that much, so they re just looking to squeeze out more profits by selling at a higher price. Sales prices scale upwards at a higher rate than costs, so the higher the cost the greater the profit margin.

Yeah, that’s kinda the point of running a business. I think you’re confusing a business with a charity. Time will tell if it’ll work or not.

I wager a lot of people will just pay the little bit extra for the name brand for the things they really want (like who is going to buy the Hercules 12” miter saw clone of the Dewalt for $400, not even considering you can often find the Dewalt on sale for the same or less?), and they ll lose the impulse “I could use this but don t really need it… but it is so cheap I might as well” sales.

I’d take that bet. The HF SCMS is listed at $399. The comparable DeWalt, $599. I’ve never seen the DeWalt for $399 or less, ever. I can’t speak to the quality of the new HF line of tools, but DeWalt will, on occasion, throw in the accompanying stand for free, which is a great deal, but you could still buy two of the HF saws for a $100 bucks more than one of the DeWalt.

Harbor Freight is a privately owned American company that’s been in business for over 40 years and that employs thousands of people and has billions of dollars in revenue. Their founder, Eric Schmidt, is known to be very philanthropic. He’s donated millions of dollars worth of tools to California schools and has been a major benefactor is some children’s hospital (don’t remember which one).

I’ve bought some of the stuff that HF sells, i.e. clamps, their 2 h.p. dust collector, etc. and I’d probably always buy one of the big name brand tools for myself rather than a HF model of the same type. But for allot of folks, HF has just what they want and they choose to spend their hard earned dollars there.

As for their new line of branded tools? I don’t know much about the quality differences or what value, if any they have compared to their earlier line of tools, but I’m pretty sure they know what they’re doing which, BTW, is to make money. They’re a quintessential American success story.

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#24 posted 04-25-2018 10:42 PM

I’ve been fairly happy with most items purchased at HF but I will say that some of their ‘larger’ items are not top quality——but then if I wanted top quality, I would pay for it

-- Randy

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#25 posted 04-25-2018 10:51 PM

sears was scamming people for the past few years passing craftsman tools off as a quality tool and charging quality tool prices.

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#26 posted 04-26-2018 01:10 AM

Brand names are fine, but I find it distasteful to use American cities as brand names when there is absolutely no lineage to that city. Sure, many Milwaukee Tools are made in Asia, but the company and engineering is still in the Milwaukee area.

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#27 posted 04-26-2018 01:36 AM

I’ve been told by their staff that their wrenches have a lifetime warranty, much like the Craftsman in my toolbox. I’ve never had the need to take one back and try to trade it in yet, but I would at least try if need be.

I agree with the rest, you know what you’re getting for the money and it’s a conscious decision as to whether disposable power tools are worth the expense at the time.

-- Brian Famous :: Charlotte, NC :: http://www.FamousArtisan.com

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#28 posted 04-26-2018 02:19 AM


I wager a lot of people will just pay the little bit extra for the name brand for the things they really want (like who is going to buy the Hercules 12” miter saw clone of the Dewalt for $400, not even considering you can often find the Dewalt on sale for the same or less?), and they ll lose the impulse “I could use this but don t really need it… but it is so cheap I might as well” sales.

I d take that bet. The HF SCMS is listed at $399. The comparable DeWalt, $599. I ve never seen the DeWalt for $399 or less, ever. I can t speak to the quality of the new HF line of tools, but DeWalt will, on occasion, throw in the accompanying stand for free, which is a great deal, but you could still buy two of the HF saws for a $100 bucks more than one of the DeWalt.

I didn’t realize that the Hercules saw has a LED shadow line thing like the DWS780, so I was comparing it to the DWS779, which is the DWS780 minus the light, available for $349 most everywhere for much of the last year. A $10 LED stuck to the outside of the saw, or like $70 in parts from Dewalt, would make it equivalent to a DWS780. If I can get a DWS779 for $350 I might pay $400 for a DWS780 to get the light, but don’t think I’d be comfortable paying $400 for the HF version. Given that the Chicago Electric 12” lists for $180 but is nearly always available around $130 I was kind of expecting the Hercules to be maybe $250, and was shocked when it listed for $400.

I like Harbor Freight a lot, I have plenty of tools from there – not much in the way of woodworking tools other than clamps, but lots of other things. I’ve always seen it as a place where someone who understands what they really need and isn’t a tool snob can get what they need to get the job done, with some items being absolute steals. If they move too many items to a mid market price point and quality level they’ll make a ton of money (they have a great opportunity to take Sears’ place in the market), but those of us who have been making the most of their previous model may find less reason to shop there. Definitely better overall for HF, but worse for the bargain hunters like me.

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#29 posted 04-26-2018 03:05 AM



Brand names are fine, but I find it distasteful to use American cities as brand names when there is absolutely no lineage to that city. Sure, many Milwaukee Tools are made in Asia, but the company and engineering is still in the Milwaukee area.

- ppg677

They don’t have stores in Pittsburgh?

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#30 posted 04-26-2018 04:10 AM


Brand names are fine, but I find it distasteful to use American cities as brand names when there is absolutely no lineage to that city. Sure, many Milwaukee Tools are made in Asia, but the company and engineering is still in the Milwaukee area.

- ppg677

They don t have stores in Pittsburgh?

- Mr_Pink

“Pittsburgh Tools” is a HF brand slapped on imported tools. It has no lineage to a company ever based in Pittsburgh. Same as “Chicago Electric”.

I’m fine buying HF stuff Made in China. I find it distasteful to brand them in a way that implies some connection to old industrial American cities.

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#31 posted 04-26-2018 09:44 AM

Downunder we don’t have the range or quantity of stores to purchase from BUT of the few we have they all try to sell there own house branded tools which are aimed at the lower end of the market for sure with the annual user in mind.
If you want good trade quality Tools go to a trade tool specialist and purchase a named branded.
Buy cheap and regret a long time because when you need to use it, it’ll fail you, yes sir!!

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#32 posted 04-26-2018 12:01 PM

I bought a folding miter saw stand from them, Chicago Electric brand, I’m totally happy with it.
Their mobile base kits are pretty good too.

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#33 posted 04-26-2018 02:01 PM

Sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed, this morning…..

Here’s the deal, dude….if you don’t like what Harbor Freight is doing, don’t buy from them. It’s as simple as that. We live in America, we have that choice.

Anything else is a waste of bandwidth.

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#34 posted 04-26-2018 02:24 PM

The new brand names are far less of a con than resurrecting legacy marques and slapping them on garbage. Now that almost nobody buys anything without searching for reviews online, the number of buyers getting fooled into thinking that Hercules is anything other than a Harbor Freight only brand is going to be very small.

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#35 posted 04-26-2018 02:29 PM


Brand names are fine, but I find it distasteful to use American cities as brand names when there is absolutely no lineage to that city. Sure, many Milwaukee Tools are made in Asia, but the company and engineering is still in the Milwaukee area.

- ppg677

They don t have stores in Pittsburgh?

- Mr_Pink

“Pittsburgh Tools” is a HF brand slapped on imported tools. It has no lineage to a company ever based in Pittsburgh. Same as “Chicago Electric”.

I m fine buying HF stuff Made in China. I find it distasteful to brand them in a way that implies some connection to old industrial American cities.

- ppg677

Imagine how the people of France felt when they first saw the Ford Granada-based Lincoln Versailles.

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#36 posted 04-26-2018 02:37 PM

Not a HF fan at all but here are a few ww’ing items I’ve been pretty satsified with:

1. Purple HVLP spray gun.
2. Aluminum bar clamps. The modifications Paul Sellers recommends help alot.
3. 12” F Clamps. I actually like the rubber handles better than the wood on Besseys.
4. Moving blankets – cheap and handy

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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#37 posted 04-26-2018 02:37 PM


I wager a lot of people will just pay the little bit extra for the name brand for the things they really want (like who is going to buy the Hercules 12” miter saw clone of the Dewalt for $400, not even considering you can often find the Dewalt on sale for the same or less?), and they ll lose the impulse “I could use this but don t really need it… but it is so cheap I might as well” sales.

I d take that bet. The HF SCMS is listed at $399. The comparable DeWalt, $599. I ve never seen the DeWalt for $399 or less, ever. I can t speak to the quality of the new HF line of tools, but DeWalt will, on occasion, throw in the accompanying stand for free, which is a great deal, but you could still buy two of the HF saws for a $100 bucks more than one of the DeWalt.

I didn t realize that the Hercules saw has a LED shadow line thing like the DWS780, so I was comparing it to the DWS779, which is the DWS780 minus the light, available for $349 most everywhere for much of the last year. A $10 LED stuck to the outside of the saw, or like $70 in parts from Dewalt, would make it equivalent to a DWS780. If I can get a DWS779 for $350 I might pay $400 for a DWS780 to get the light, but don t think I d be comfortable paying $400 for the HF version. Given that the Chicago Electric 12” lists for $180 but is nearly always available around $130 I was kind of expecting the Hercules to be maybe $250, and was shocked when it listed for $400.

I like Harbor Freight a lot, I have plenty of tools from there – not much in the way of woodworking tools other than clamps, but lots of other things. I ve always seen it as a place where someone who understands what they really need and isn t a tool snob can get what they need to get the job done, with some items being absolute steals. If they move too many items to a mid market price point and quality level they ll make a ton of money (they have a great opportunity to take Sears place in the market), but those of us who have been making the most of their previous model may find less reason to shop there. Definitely better overall for HF, but worse for the bargain hunters like me.

- kingpong

When I bought my DWS780 last year I purchased it during one of the big holiday sale events (4th of July) and it was on sale at Lowes for $449 I had a 10% off coupon and ended up paying just under $449 out the door for the saw (Los Angeles Sales Tax…) The Hercules is $399, and a clone as far as features goes. There are a few small differences, like the the DeWalt having a nicer miter lock handle but the big difference? You get a 3 year warranty on the DeWalt, whereas you get 90 days with the Hercules… If you are bargain shopping chances are you would be looking at the DWS779 anyways which can always be had for $399 and is the DWS780 minus the blade light… Oh and as mentioned above, you cant use any of the 20% or 25% off coupons on the new brands…

Dont get me wrong, I am another one of those guys with a toolbox full of Central Machinery, Pittsburgh Steel and a modified Dust Collector… But if the products are really that much better they might want to stand by them for better than a month…

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#38 posted 04-26-2018 03:31 PM



Brand names are fine, but I find it distasteful to use American cities as brand names when there is absolutely no lineage to that city. Sure, many Milwaukee Tools are made in Asia, but the company and engineering is still in the Milwaukee area.

- ppg677

They don t have stores in Pittsburgh?

- Mr_Pink

“Pittsburgh Tools” is a HF brand slapped on imported tools. It has no lineage to a company ever based in Pittsburgh. Same as “Chicago Electric”.

I m fine buying HF stuff Made in China. I find it distasteful to brand them in a way that implies some connection to old industrial American cities.

- ppg677

I understand, and I was (mostly) joking.

I guess I don’t see the use of American city names as more objectionable than the use of any other name. “Guangzhou Drill #7” won’t do well with a focus group, so they’re left picking names of western people, places or things.

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#39 posted 04-26-2018 08:57 PM

I’m not bashing HF. On the contrary, I have found some gems at HF. I realize you get what you pay for and if you don’t like HF, no one is forcing you to shop there. I only object to their marketing strategy. To say something in their defense, I can say their employees have never tried to preach the HF brand to me or to others. In fact, they remain neutral. A new HF just opened a few miles from me and I visited them. I bought a couple of clamps after going through all they had to find the ones that worked smoothly. Some of them did not work well.

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#40 posted 04-27-2018 12:54 AM



“Guangzhou Drill #7” won t do well with a focus group, so they re left picking names of western people, places or things.

- Mr_Pink


I love my Guangzhou Drill #7. Works like a charm!

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#41 posted 04-27-2018 01:03 PM

Ryobi was a HF item years ago I believe.

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#42 posted 04-27-2018 03:30 PM

If you think HF is bad for that, don’t go to Kroger’s.

Many of their store brands use the same color, size and similar packaging as name brands. Usually right next to the name brand.

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#43 posted 04-27-2018 03:34 PM


If you think HF is bad for that, don t go to Kroger s.

You really can’t go much of anywhere if you don’t like Harbor Freight’s marketing. Nothing they do is unusual.

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#44 posted 08-26-2018 06:52 AM

There’s a Hf location 8 blocks from where I live, so it makes it easy to pop in and check comparisons for myself when shopping for tools. Verses looking online or their ads. There are 7 stores in town that sell woodworking tools, I’ve also purchased tools and equipment from 4 out of state stores online. HF pricing in the ads are their everyday selling price. The extra saving are in the Super Coupons. It really depends on your needs or pocket book. I purchased a 24”x4” portable sander ( I had to look in 4 boxes before I found one with a flat sanding plate surface ). Don’t be afraid of having the store clerk open a box to check out the item. When your looking for tools or equipment you Know what you want, Brand doesn’t mean a thing if it doesn’t do what you want. Sometimes it’s a good option to buy a less expensive tool now and upgrade later when you saved up for it. The best place I found for sand paper & foam sanding pads is HP.

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#45 posted 08-26-2018 02:46 PM



There s a Hf location 8 blocks from where I live, so it makes it easy to pop in and check comparisons for myself when shopping for tools. Verses looking online or their ads. There are 7 stores in town that sell woodworking tools, I ve also purchased tools and equipment from 4 out of state stores online. HF pricing in the ads are their everyday selling price. The extra saving are in the Super Coupons. It really depends on your needs or pocket book. I purchased a 24”x4” portable sander ( I had to look in 4 boxes before I found one with a flat sanding plate surface ). Don t be afraid of having the store clerk open a box to check out the item. When your looking for tools or equipment you Know what you want, Brand doesn t mean a thing if it doesn t do what you want. Sometimes it s a good option to buy a less expensive tool now and upgrade later when you saved up for it. The best place I found for sand paper & foam sanding pads is HP.

- WoodenDreams


As was noted many times, there are surprisingly good buys at HF and some pretty horrific items. Personally I like HF, but you really have to know your tools in general in order to make intelligent decisions. If you are a casual user of tools, HF makes a lot of sense, but for heavy tool use, HF tools won’t stand up to heavy use and best to look elsewhere. I work with tools a lot and have some HF tools, but those tools don’t see a lot of heavy use. For heavy use, I rely on Dewalt, Makita, Bosch. Being a long time tool junkie, I don’t fall for the new stuff with all the bells and whistles they are trying to sell the consumer. Most of my tools and machines are old, not antique, but good old tools that have performed well from the beginning. I treasure these tools and will not replace them with something just because it is “new”.

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#46 posted 08-26-2018 02:50 PM

I was looking for a Dust Collector and accessories. Home Depot, Lowes, and Ace Hardware ALL sent me to HF.

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#47 posted 08-27-2018 10:52 PM

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#48 posted 08-28-2018 02:10 AM

its like any other store for parts and pieces and tools, all have their store brand which imo is lesser than the name brands but again, on some occassion is same as name brand with a new brand on it,

its a learning curve, whether by review or buying and trying, one never knows, i figure its a lot like buying a new pair of boots, won’t know how they really fit till you put some miles on them, problem is you can’t take’m back most times like you can a tool
best of luck on a selection of what ever
Rj in az

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#49 posted 08-28-2018 08:56 PM

If I were a manufacturer who wanted to upgrade the general quality level of my products, I would give them new names to distinguish them from current offerings. That isn’t illegal or unethical. It just makes sense. That appears to be what Harbor Freight has done. “Bauer” is not a brand name. Brand name reputations must be earned through superior performance over a period of years. Harbor Freight shouldn’t be held responsible for people who don’t know that.

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#50 posted 08-30-2018 11:23 PM

It would be interesting to know what some of the actual sources are for these different HF lines and which of them are related (or related to anything outside HF for that matter). Of the few handheld HF power tools I’ve owned, there’s a noticeable difference between say the “navy blue stuff” and the “day-glow orange stuff”, and this is even before any of these new brands showed up. I can’t imagine they’re all coming from the same manufacturer or that it only makes things for HF. Many of the Central Machinery machine tools there for instance, are coming from a company called Sieg and are offered in almost identical form by dealers much more reputable (usually at much higher prices).

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