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#1 posted 04-20-2018 07:02 AM

Lucas, why do we need new users when we have over 255,000 happy ones?

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#2 posted 04-20-2018 09:53 AM

I’m happy here….don’t understand the need for a new site. This site is perfectly fine.

-- K. Stone “Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn.” ― Benjamin Franklin

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#3 posted 04-20-2018 11:11 AM

NO…..I LIKE IT AS IT IS !

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#4 posted 04-20-2018 11:57 AM

I like the site just the way it is. Today my memory is working fine.

-- I,ve had amnesia for as long as I can remember. Vernon

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#5 posted 04-20-2018 12:06 PM

No one forces you to come to a site that you don’t appreciate. If you don’t like the site, create your own and leave this one to the quarter million people who are happy with it.

-- Still trying to master kindling making

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#6 posted 04-20-2018 12:14 PM

No, no, no; free is the only way this will work. Add a subscription rate and membership will plummet.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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#7 posted 04-20-2018 01:25 PM

It’s working so let’s mess with it until it is broken.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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#8 posted 04-20-2018 01:29 PM

Start your own site and see where it goes.

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#9 posted 04-20-2018 01:38 PM

I personally like it the way it is, the only exception being the search function . It could use some major improvement and significantly cut down on the number of new posts asking about which is the best table saw for a new woodworker if users could search with more options for filtering.

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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#10 posted 04-20-2018 05:48 PM

I am not saying this site isn’t good. I’m saying it has a lot of issues that seem to not be able to be fixed very quickly due to funding. Many times on not iPhone I will open a thread and I have to span out just to see the entire text and then it is too small to see. There are upload issues of images being flipped or turned 90*

I know these may not seem like ”that big of a deal” but we may be fine dealing with it but I wonder how many people come to the site see the mobile issues(as that is the most used way to surf the internet now) and they decide to go somewhere else.

I am just worried that new users specifically younger people joining the forums will slow and then the user base will age and I think it could be hard to come back from that.

I love this forum and the people I just think it could be better. The biggest issue I have seen people put up about moving to a new forum setup is losing all the old data. I tried to mention a solution that may be possible.

-- Colorado Springs, CO - USAF

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#11 posted 04-20-2018 06:03 PM

I’m another user that is quite happy with LJs as it is.

I pay to be a member of another site – not at all woodwork related – and it has the fancies newest software, and it still suffers from sideway pics and less than excellent searching. Not to mention, that site undergoes software updates a couple times a year and everyone gets super upset about the changes, and rightfully so.

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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#12 posted 04-20-2018 06:03 PM

Lucas,

I understand your point and am not going to harp on you by saying “you should change, not the site!” or something to that point. I find your points valid. Does LJ want to attract a younger and more tech savvy generation of woodworkers? I would suggest two things. First, LJ is so different from most other woodworking sites on line that it will draw newbies on it’s own, regardless of frustrations. Second, I can GUARANTEE that charging anything for LJ will cause a huge majority of users to leave the site, losing any benefit of attracting younger tech savvy woodworkers.

I believe that over time LJ will bend to handle these frustrations, but it will be over a great deal of time, nothing will happen quickly. There are just too many users that are on LJ now that are really happy with what it provides.

-- When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of skill by doubling your efforts, there is no end to what you CAN'T do

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#13 posted 04-20-2018 10:00 PM

250k+ what? Registered users? Individuals who post? Unique visitors from the first day of this forum? I sincerely doubt that there are 250k regular readers let alone 250k active by any definition.

Site is fine by me.

-- - Crud. Go tell your mother that I need a Band-aid.

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#14 posted 04-20-2018 11:04 PM

Many times on not iPhone I will open a thread and I have to span out just to see the entire text and then it is too small to see.

And there lies your problem! Works just great on my 24” monitor.

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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#15 posted 04-20-2018 11:12 PM


Many times on not iPhone I will open a thread and I have to span out just to see the entire text and then it is too small to see.

And there lies your problem! Works just great on my 24” monitor.

- Andre

The problem on mobile is that everything is fine but once somebody posts a link, it messes up the word wrap and lines can go on endlessly and so to read you have to zoom out or scroll side to side.

It’s actually very frustrating so once I see that when I’m using my phone I skip out on the thread. On the computer, it’s fine.

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#16 posted 04-20-2018 11:46 PM

I will say that the sideways photos are inexcusable and I’m not blaming the one posting them. Those photos contain EXIF data that the site can use to orient them correctly. It doesn’t take much code to pull it off either.

All of my images are exported from Lightroom before I post them, and I’ve never had an issue, but the ones coming directly from a phone or camera should have that data embedded that can be used.

-- There's no such thing as a careless electrician

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#17 posted 04-20-2018 11:46 PM



No one forces you to come to a site that you don t appreciate. If you don t like the site, create your own and leave this one to the quarter million people who are happy with it.

- mudflap4869

Absolutely!

Rick

-- Richard (Ontario, CANADA)

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#18 posted 04-20-2018 11:57 PM


No one forces you to come to a site that you don t appreciate. If you don t like the site, create your own and leave this one to the quarter million people who are happy with it.

- mudflap4869

How about you tone your ass down. Are you saying this site is perfect and doesn’t need any updating at all? Also, this site does not have a quarter million active users. It has that many registered users… Big difference.

I won’t ever leave this site. I love it and want to see it around still when I am 50 60 70 years old.

So, sorry I have an opinion and voiced it to possibly make this site run better.

Not anywhere in my post did I say I wasn’t appreciative. Don’t ever put words in my mouth.

-- Colorado Springs, CO - USAF

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#19 posted 04-21-2018 12:17 AM

I see a lot of this crap on LJ lately.

Did you ever wonder “Just who are these people working for?” or “Just what are these people working toward?”

-- "Find out what you cannot do and then go do it!"

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#20 posted 04-21-2018 12:23 AM

I think with anything there is room for improvement. I love this site and the people and wealth of knowledge I was just thinking of anyway they could improve without losing that wealth of knowledge.

I see now and agree that having a subscription-based portion of the site may disenfranchise the user base.

-- Colorado Springs, CO - USAF

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#21 posted 04-21-2018 12:23 AM

I don’t generally view LJs on anything but my laptop or desktop. Every once in a while when stuck somewhere I’ll check it on my phone. So if there’s an issue with viewing on a phone’ I’m not aware of it. Can those who say there are issues with this site platform fill me in on what they are? I haven’t really encountered any.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#22 posted 04-21-2018 12:25 AM

I love this site and the people and wealth of knowledge I was just thinking of anyway they could improve without losing that wealth of knowledge.

Oh, I see. I guess I was just misled by the title of this post:

Scrap and start a new site

My Bad… NOT!

-- "Find out what you cannot do and then go do it!"

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#23 posted 04-21-2018 12:31 AM

Sorry, you didn’t like my title? It was a suggestion as an option yes it may be worded strongly but I didn’t mean it like scrap this site and throw it away.

IDK if you actually read what I wrote or just decided to come down here and post just to be an asshole.

I said to archive this site as an option so we all would still have access to the wealth of knowledge on thousands of posts.

-- Colorado Springs, CO - USAF

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#24 posted 04-21-2018 12:35 AM

I wonder what the average age of the typical LJ is? I’ll bet it is well into the 40’s. Most of us older (I’m 53) folks aren’t into all of the i-phones and other hand held devices. We spend some time on the computer, and a lot more time in the shop. Personally, I use my phone for texts from my daughters and wife. I also use it to delete all of the garbage spam emails. When I want to read about woodworking and more importantly, look at woodworking project pictures I use my computer with the large, high resolution screen. I’ll bet most of us use LJ this way. Why change something just to make it more “up to date”? Consider the audience and consider what they are interested in. I’m willing to bet this forum in the current configuration hits the target audience and provides exactly what they are looking for.

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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#25 posted 04-21-2018 12:36 AM

I am not trying to start something. All this was was a suggestion as a way to update this site now, next year, 5 years from now.

I am not, however, going to just sit here and and be cool with people being condescending and being a general ass about my opinion.

-- Colorado Springs, CO - USAF

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#26 posted 04-21-2018 12:43 AM

I will say one thing.
This site is great for knowledge and answering questions and such, but when somebody has an opinion about something that isn’t cohesive with everybody, they sure get the crap beat of them.

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#27 posted 04-21-2018 12:44 AM



I wonder what the average age of the typical LJ is? I ll bet it is well into the 40 s. Most of us older (I m 53) folks aren t into all of the i-phones and other hand held devices. We spend some time on the computer, and a lot more time in the shop. Personally, I use my phone for texts from my daughters and wife. I also use it to delete all of the garbage spam emails. When I want to read about woodworking and more importantly, look at woodworking project pictures I use my computer with the large, high resolution screen. I ll bet most of us use LJ this way. Why change something just to make it more “up to date”? Consider the audience and consider what they are interested in. I m willing to bet this forum in the current configuration hits the target audience and provides exactly what they are looking for.

- EarlS

Thank you and I see your point. I do see most posts are, ”well I never use my phone for lumberjocks”

Yes true about the target audience being older and not really having the need for tech-savvy stuff.

I want to be 50 and still using this site as well. So I’m hoping that eventually, this site will move to a more mobile friendly platform. As the user base gets older the target audience can’t be 80-year-olds lol.

No offense to anyone who is 80 and still rocking it in the shop.

-- Colorado Springs, CO - USAF

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#28 posted 04-21-2018 12:47 AM


I will say one thing.
This site is great for knowledge and answering questions and such, but when somebody has an opinion about something that isn t cohesive with everybody, they sure get the crap beat of them.

- Jbay

I don’t mind them disagreeing and many have made great points. What I took exception to was how rude some can be. Currently, the majority of the users are older and most probably don’t use cell phones for much other than texting and calls. Now when my generation is that age, all of them will be using phones and a very small percentage will use desktops.

-- Colorado Springs, CO - USAF

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#29 posted 04-21-2018 01:02 AM

Now when my generation is that age, all of them will be using phones and a very small percentage will use desktops.
- LucasWoods

I doubt it. “Mobile optimized” sites are just trimmed down versions that lack a lot of meaningful content and significantly disable functionality. And as devices get smaller (think “iWatch”) the ability to deliver even minimal content becomes difficult. That is one reason the iPad and similar devices are popular, and why the trend in laptops is to go with bigger and bigger displays.

While it may not be ‘desktops’ that are the rave in the future, I’m pretty sure it’s not going to be tiny little displays either. I’m thinking HUD type eyewear or past that, direct cerebral connections and/or implants :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#30 posted 04-21-2018 01:08 AM



Now when my generation is that age, all of them will be using phones and a very small percentage will use desktops.
- LucasWoods

I doubt it. “Mobile optimized” sites are just trimmed down versions that lack a lot of meaningful content and significantly disable functionality. And as devices get smaller (think “iWatch”) the ability to deliver even minimal content becomes difficult. That is one reason the iPad and similar devices are popular, and why the trend in laptops is to go with bigger and bigger displays.

While it may not be desktops that are the rave in the future, I m pretty sure it s not going to be tiny little displays either. I m thinking HUD type eyewear or past that, direct cerebral connections and/or implants :)

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

Haha, that is a great point. I do think ipads and the similar will be very much used. Desktops are continuing to shrink in sales. I would suspect the display sizes increasing are not for people who surf the internet but for those that play video games.

-- Colorado Springs, CO - USAF

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#31 posted 04-21-2018 01:10 AM

I wonder what the average age of the typical LJ is? I ll bet it is well into the 40 s. Most of us older (I m 53) folks aren t into all of the i-phones and other hand held devices. We spend some time on the computer, and a lot more time in the shop. Personally, I use my phone for texts from my daughters and wife. I also use it to delete all of the garbage spam emails. When I want to read about woodworking and more importantly, look at woodworking project pictures I use my computer with the large, high resolution screen. I ll bet most of us use LJ this way. Why change something just to make it more “up to date”? Consider the audience and consider what they are interested in. I m willing to bet this forum in the current configuration hits the target audience and provides exactly what they are looking for.

- EarlS

Thank you and I see your point. I do see most posts are, ”well I never use my phone for lumberjocks”

Yes true about the target audience being older and not really having the need for tech-savvy stuff.

I want to be 50 and still using this site as well. So I m hoping that eventually, this site will move to a more mobile friendly platform. As the user base gets older the target audience can t be 80-year-olds lol.

No offense to anyone who is 80 and still rocking it in the shop.

- LucasWoods


I’m 57, but also fairly “tech savvy”. I built all of the desktop computers I’ve ever owned including a Mac clone. Yet just as I don’t watch movies on my minuscule cell phone screen, I don’t view sites like JLs on it either unless there’s no other option available – like when I’m stuck at the dealer waiting for the oil to be changed in my truck. I want a screen large enough to see the details of the work or videos that are posted. Not sure why anyone would want to use their phone for web browsing unless there are no other options. Changing this site so it’s somehow better to view on a cell phone seems pretty silly. JMO :)

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#32 posted 04-21-2018 01:17 AM

Sorry, you didn’t like my title?

Sorry, you didn’t like my response?

just decided to come down here and post just to be an asshole.

Hahaha! Yeah, I can see you are real agreeable! I read your book – “How to win friends…”, uh ,no, I guess that wasn’t you!

-- "Find out what you cannot do and then go do it!"

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#33 posted 04-21-2018 01:22 AM

LJs definitely has room for improvement.

- The site doesn’t use TLS/HTTPS – a big no-no in this day and age.
- The aforementioned issues browsing the site on mobile devices. Complain all you want, but mobile and tablets are here to stay, and LJ should accommodate them. There are more smartphones in the world than computers by a long, long way. Nobody is advocating making the site unusable or worse on computers, just making it like every other site in that it appears functional on all kinds of devices, from phones to tablets to computers.
- Users have to (re)login to LJ way, way too frequently. I get logged out on each device an average of twice a week. That is not good in 2018. Every individual device should require a login at most once a month.
- There’s no warning given to posters who necro a thread, no matter how old. That just confuses subsequent posters who might not look at the post dates. Old threads should either be locked after a certain period of time or at the very least the user should have to take deliberate action and click through a warning to necro a thread older than ~6 months.
- There’s a fairly persistent spam problem across the site. Cricket does a good job responding, but a more modern account creation and login process would make it harder for spammers to create an account and post on here.

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#34 posted 04-21-2018 01:30 AM

Desktops are continuing to shrink in sales. I would suspect the display sizes increasing are not for people who surf the internet but for those that play video games.
- LucasWoods

Not sure where you are getting that information, but PC sales for the major players (HP, Dell, etc…) have remained steady or actually increased over the past several years. While the overall market trend in sales is turning downward, a lot of that has to do with market saturation and fringe players dropping out of the equation. Even used sales is pretty robust… I’ve sold several desktop systems on CL recently, and the longest I had to wait for a sale was three days. Phone sales have surpassed PC sales, but that is due to the nature of the beast – Generally a PC is shared, while phones are typically sold to and used by individuals.

As for display size… it’s not the size, but the amount of content available that people are looking for. Multiple windows and multitasking systems are the norm, and the more information you can reasonably view at one time, the better. You can only increase resolution to a point. Cell phones are notoriously bad in that regard.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#35 posted 04-21-2018 01:45 AM



LJs definitely has room for improvement.

- The site doesn t use TLS/HTTPS – a big no-no in this day and age.
- The aforementioned issues browsing the site on mobile devices. Complain all you want, but mobile and tablets are here to stay, and LJ should accommodate them. There are more smartphones in the world than computers by a long, long way.
- Users have to (re)login to LJ way, way too frequently. I get logged out on each device an average of twice a week. That is not good in 2018. Every individual device should require a login at most once a month.
- There s no warning given to posters who necro a thread, no matter how old. That just confuses subsequent posters who might not look at the post dates. Old threads should either be locked after a certain period of time or at the very least the user should have to take deliberate action and click through a warning to necro a thread older than ~6 months.
- There s a fairly persistent spam problem across the site. Cricket does a good job responding, but a more modern account creation and login process would make it harder for spammers to create an account and post on here.

- jonah


Not sure what security issues LJs presents that requires more secure protocol. There are no financial transactions occurring on the site.

Yes more phones, but most of the zombies walking around with their noses buried in their phones have no interest in woodworking.

Logging in is an issue? Use autofill and click. You’re logged in.

Those necroed threads are valuable. Sometimes new information is brought out by them. Many times one will catch my interest that I wouldn’t have known existed unless someone else posted to it while I was browsing. And many times, the OP will respond.

The spam issue seems insignificant. And when I see a suspect thread, I click to flag it. Besides, pretty much every forum gets spam posts. Some software can deal with it better than others.

I have yet to see what I would consider a legitimate reasons to change or issues that are truly problematic. But then again, I use a computer to web browse and not a phone.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#36 posted 04-21-2018 01:52 AM

Maybe all you youngsters outta start your own woodworkers website. You all know so much about everything. Whaddya need to be hanging around all us ol’ fogies for?

You aren’t getting what you want here in the fancy-schmantzy, modern, bells-and-whistles, iPad formatted, mobile device using way that you think it should be?

Well then, Sonny…GET OFFA MY LAWN!!!

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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#37 posted 04-21-2018 01:56 AM

If I “SCRAP” something, it is something that is no longer appreciated. I understand that this is the norm in society. I don’t use such words when they are not what I intend. Your entire premise seems to be that you are the omnipotent authority on the site, and anyone who disagrees with you is stupid. You are a bully and tread upon other folks. I have never tolerated bullies and will not start now. I am celebrating my 70th birthday today and have earned the right to call BS on tyrants such as you. There are to many older and experienced people on this site for you to even consider that you can dictate what will happen to the site that WE built probably before you were even out of diapers. Just who are you to demand that someone tone down then you call the same people asses?

-- Still trying to master kindling making

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#38 posted 04-21-2018 02:09 AM

Being a tech guy myself, I see no reason to scrap this site. It works fine on a PC, Mac desktop. It works fine on a tablet. It also works fine on a smartphone, maybe a bit small. Why would you be using a phone to view the site except to look up something quick. Besides a phone is to small to cruise the site evidently.

Leave it be , the site is one of the better sites out there.

-- mrg

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#39 posted 04-21-2018 02:09 AM



If I “SCRAP” something, it is something that is no longer appreciated. I understand that this is the norm in society. I don t use such words when they are not what I intend. Your entire premise seems to be that you are the omnipotent authority on the site, and anyone who disagrees with you is stupid. You are a bully and tread upon other folks. I have never tolerated bullies and will not start now. I am celebrating my 70th birthday today and have earned the right to call BS on tyrants such as you. There are to many older and experienced people on this site for you to even consider that you can dictate what will happen to the site that WE built probably before you were even out of diapers. Just who are you to demand that someone tone down then you call the same people asses?

- mudflap4869

You were the one who went out of their way to post in the thread inferring that I don’t appreciate the site and I should just move along if I don’t like it. I’m not at all acting omnipotent if you would read my responses to other people I have agreed with their statements. Also, I’m not going to let you be an asshole and not call you out. I posted an idea to which YOU got your ass in a tizzy about.

if anyone has been the instigator here and acting all high and mighty it has been you.

never did I say your old ass generation needs to get with the times. I have agreed when some people have replied that the user base is older and doesn’t use mobile phones. So i was misguided in the fact that this site should move to a better mobile-friendly system right away. I do however think that it will need to be updated eventually.

-- Colorado Springs, CO - USAF

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#40 posted 04-21-2018 02:13 AM



Being a tech guy myself, I see no reason to scrap this site. It works fine on a PC, Mac desktop. It works fine on a tablet. It also works fine on a smartphone, maybe a bit small. Why would you be using a phone to view the site except to look up something quick. Besides a phone is to small to cruise the site evidently.

Leave it be , the site is one of the better sites out there.

- mrg

Thank you for your input. Idk how the younger users use the site compared to the older users. But myself at age 28 I use my phone way more for surfing and looking up info than anything. If I find a project I want to look at closer or print some information out from I will pop over to my computer. Also while I am in my shop I will use my phone 100% of the time to look up info, pictures, ask questions etc on this site.

I recognize that I am in the minority on this issue but I do think the site will migrate a bit or move to something better in time. Maybe 10 or 20 years from now or more.

-- Colorado Springs, CO - USAF

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#41 posted 04-21-2018 02:20 AM


Not sure what security issues LJs presents that requires more secure protocol. There are no financial transactions occurring on the site.

Yes more phones, but most of the zombies walking around with their noses buried in their phones have no interest in woodworking.

Logging in is an issue? Use autofill and click. You re logged in.

Those necroed threads are valuable. Sometimes new information is brought out by them. Many times one will catch my interest that I wouldn t have known existed unless someone else posted to it while I was browsing. And many times, the OP will respond.

The spam issue seems insignificant. And when I see a suspect thread, I click to flag it. Besides, pretty much every forum gets spam posts. Some software can deal with it better than others.

I have yet to see what I would consider a legitimate reasons to change or issues that are truly problematic. But then again, I use a computer to web browse and not a phone.

- builtinbkyn


1) If you don’t understand why every site benefits from using secure http, I don’t know what to tell you. You claim to be a “tech guy,” yet you don’t get that?
2) If you don’t understand why a person might want to use LJs from their phone, I also don’t know what to tell you. I use the site from my phone fairly frequently. It’s frustrating every time I do.
3) It isn’t the login process. Its completely unpredictable behavior. I will click on a long thread expecting to be taken to the messages I haven’t yet read, but if I get logged out it takes me to the first message. It’s a problem for users.

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#42 posted 04-21-2018 02:23 AM

Only myself and mudflap are allowed to get snippetty here! Lol

-- Colorado Springs, CO - USAF

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#43 posted 04-21-2018 04:19 AM

I am now snippety, because i just read this thread and the embedded phrasing from some that suggests people over 50 don’t use smartphones to view the web, or to use the apps. That’s ridiculous.

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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#44 posted 04-21-2018 04:26 AM



I will say one thing.
This site is great for knowledge and answering questions and such, but when somebody has an opinion about something that isn t cohesive with everybody, they sure get the crap beat of them.

- Jbay

”they sure get the crap beat of them.” That’s for sure! Or use “Off Color” Words and you’re liable to get yourself Kicked Off Of Hear!

Well. Nobody ever says the Bad Things or uses Foul Language in the Workshop so I guess we shouldn’t do it on here. (PHHFFTT) Oh!! Excuse me please.

-- Richard (Ontario, CANADA)

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builtinbkyn

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#45 posted 04-21-2018 05:05 AM


Not sure what security issues LJs presents that requires more secure protocol. There are no financial transactions occurring on the site.

Yes more phones, but most of the zombies walking around with their noses buried in their phones have no interest in woodworking.

Logging in is an issue? Use autofill and click. You re logged in.

Those necroed threads are valuable. Sometimes new information is brought out by them. Many times one will catch my interest that I wouldn t have known existed unless someone else posted to it while I was browsing. And many times, the OP will respond.

The spam issue seems insignificant. And when I see a suspect thread, I click to flag it. Besides, pretty much every forum gets spam posts. Some software can deal with it better than others.

I have yet to see what I would consider a legitimate reasons to change or issues that are truly problematic. But then again, I use a computer to web browse and not a phone.

- builtinbkyn

1) If you don t understand why every site benefits from using secure http, I don t know what to tell you. You claim to be a “tech guy,” yet you don t get that?
2) If you don t understand why a person might want to use LJs from their phone, I also don t know what to tell you. I use the site from my phone fairly frequently. It s frustrating every time I do.
3) It isn t the login process. Its completely unpredictable behavior. I will click on a long thread expecting to be taken to the messages I haven t yet read, but if I get logged out it takes me to the first message. It s a problem for users.

- jonah


Why don’t you explain the HTTPS issue instead of being rhetorical? Or do you not really know the answer? Just asking :)

I understand why someone might want to visit the site from their phone – like waiting for their oil change to be complete. Other than that, I don’t want to thumb my phone and squint my eyes to read web sites or to view videos when I can use my laptop or desktop. I know that’s a strange notion to some who have a phone fetish.

If you get the login prompt when you are idle on a thread, it’s pretty easy to go back to it. I’d say “young people today”, but I’d sound like my father, so I won’t do that. But man, talk about hardships. Try walking 5 miles to school in 3 feet of snow lol

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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Rich

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#46 posted 04-21-2018 05:18 AM

Why https? I could paraphrase, but here’s the word from Google (emphasis mine):

HTTPS prevents intruders from being able to passively listen to communications between your websites and your users.

One common misconception about HTTPS is that the only websites that need HTTPS are those that handle sensitive communications. Every unprotected HTTP request can potentially reveal information about the behaviors and identities of your users. Although a single visit to one of your unprotected websites may seem benign, some intruders look at the aggregate browsing activities of your users to make inferences about their behaviors and intentions, and to de-anonymize their identities. For example, employees might inadvertently disclose sensitive health conditions to their employers just by reading unprotected medical articles.

-- There's no such thing as a careless electrician

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Cricket

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#47 posted 04-21-2018 12:45 PM

This site does not currently use HTTPS. Since we don’t store any private information (like credit cards) and advise everyone NOT to use the same password on multiple sites, it hasn’t been something they were previously concerned with. That being said, there are plans to make the site HTTPS but I do not yet have an ETA as to when that will happen.

-- LumberJocks.com Community Manager

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Cricket

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#48 posted 04-21-2018 12:50 PM

Spam happens on ALL forums. We do have a lot of spam prevention in place here. The few issues that get past the filters are flagged by users and removed daily by me.

For those who are unhappy with this site (the code is heavily customized and not easily changed), I would recommend visiting our sister site WoodworkingTalk.com to see if it is a better fit for you.

-- LumberJocks.com Community Manager

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Cricket

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#49 posted 04-21-2018 12:53 PM

Gentle Reminder For All of Us.

In this community, we expect our member to treat each other with respect.
http://lumberjocks.com/CricketW/blog/112897

-- LumberJocks.com Community Manager

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Charlie H.

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#50 posted 04-21-2018 01:01 PM

I have participated in lots of forums over the years and I have seen many improvements and “improvements”.
More than once I have seen a revamped forum completely fail.
This forum works well and messing with it could easily screw it up.

I use the forum pretty much exclusively with an iPad.
This forum gives me lots less problems than other websites.

Anyone that’s truly concerned that private information is being harvested really should think carefully about using the internet for anything.
Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, is watching closely.

-- Regards, Charlie in Rowlett, TX --------I talk to myself, because sometimes I need expert advice.---------

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