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Table Saw Opinion Solicitation

by Bran077
posted 04-17-2018 05:58 PM


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MrUnix

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#1 posted 04-17-2018 06:14 PM

Powermatic is a cabinet saw… proshop is a contractor saw… apples and oranges. PM1000 is twice the saw, however it’s priced a bit high IMO given that you can get a new one for ~$2000 w/5 year warranty. Depends on what extra goodies are thrown in though.

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Brad

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#2 posted 04-17-2018 06:18 PM

The PM1000 is a very nice hybrid, but it’s still really in the same class as the Proshop, IF the Proshop its one of the more recent models with an actual riving knife vs a splitter (I think the older numbers were the 708480 series, while the one’s with the riving knife update are the 708490 series) . Neither saw catapults you into the industrial cabinet saw realm. I doubt either would still have warranty that applied to you either. So the biggest benefit of the PM1000 is a heavier fence and full length enclosure.

If you have 220v, the Grizzly G1023RL isn’t much more than the used PM1000 and puts you up a class into a 3hp industrial cabinet saw that’s quite a bit beefier with ~ 50% more power, and more mass, plus warranty. It’d be much less sensitive to blade changes, setup, and the motor should last longer b/c it won’t labor as hard.

All of these will seem like a dream compared a jobsite saw.

FWIW – I also made an unauthorized and unplanned purchase in 2005 when my wife was out of town! Have fun!

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RobHannon

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#3 posted 04-17-2018 06:28 PM

I have to second the G1023 if your budget allows for it. Now if that is a typo and it is a PM2000 for $1400 I consider that for sure, but spending over $1000 for a used hybrid saw seems high to me.

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Bill_Steele

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#4 posted 04-17-2018 07:09 PM

I’m partial to the PM-1000—which should be a huge upgrade from the Dewalt jobsite saw. Perhaps you can negotiate down on the price—since a new one is slightly more than $2k.

I don’t own either saw you are contemplating (I have 20 yr old Jet contractor saw), but I think I may get the PM-1000 if/when my saw dies. I don’t have 220v—plus I have to get the saw down my basement stairs—so weight and power consumption are a consideration for me.

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Fred Hargis

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#5 posted 04-17-2018 08:31 PM

The PM 1000 isn’t a bad saw… but that price is way too high. I’d keep looking unless like someone suggested above that ad has a typo and it’s really a PM2000

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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Bran077

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#6 posted 04-17-2018 11:10 PM

Thanks for the advice all.

I called Powermatic to investigate the serial number. They were actually really helpful and answered all my questions. I got the price down to 1300 and the extras include a Freud 8in Dado set, a couple (supposedly) recently sharpened Freud saw blades, and two different fence rails. 36 and 52 I think.

I think may be paying little much but hopefully after I check it out and run a few boards through it, it’ll be solid and a decent investment.

Thanks again.

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rizzo

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#7 posted 04-18-2018 12:29 AM

I own a PM1000 and really love the saw. I looked at quiet a few saws during my purchase process and ended up going with the PM1000. I have yet to come across something I can’t cut (i.e. the lack of 3hp has not been an issue for me at all). The precision of this saw and the build quality is what impressed me the most. Being able to get a saw with cabinet mounted trunnions is the way to go for sure. While the pm1000 is not as beefy as the pm2000, it is more than powerful enough for most people and their projects. It certainly has been for me. Would I take a PM2000 if someone gave me one sure, but for a simple hobbies, the PM1000 is more than adequate. A great quality blade (swear by forrest) and I have never had a cut bog down once. If it is in good condition, I would pick it up.

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Kelly

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#8 posted 04-18-2018 04:48 PM

I am a [now] a “simple hobbyist.” Regarding that, it makes as much sense to have nice woodworking equipment as it does a nice fishing boat and gear, four wheeling equipment and so on.

As to going from a contractors saw to a cabinet saw, it’s like going from a VW Beetle to a Mercedes, or better. The hum and smoothness of the running saw almost equates to listening to a thirty-two valve engine run a track.

Then there is the matter of the quality fence. A couple flips of a lever, and you know you’re going to get a board with dimensions within thousandths of what you set it at.

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ruger

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#9 posted 04-18-2018 07:36 PM

Speaking of 32 valve engines. i retired 2 years ago after spending 40 years turning wrenches in a ford dealership as a ford master tech. doing mostly auto trans repair. never want to see another trans,lol. anyway i was at a yard sale last month and picked up a 34-802 unisaw 1992 build date.. for 400 dollars with unifence. really sweet deal, sold my 113 with delta t2 to my brother in law. the craftsman served my needs just fine but the unisaw is a big step up. the story is true about balancing a nickle on the table top upon start up and not falling over. purchased a benchdog cast iron router wing last week and their router plate. got more in the bench dog set up than i have in the unisaw.

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Kelly

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#10 posted 04-18-2018 07:41 PM

I have the Benchdog plate and lift and really love it. I’d rather change bits on it than any of my nine routers.

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Davevand

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#11 posted 04-19-2018 12:04 AM

I have the PM1000 saw also. It was a major step up from my old contractors saw, I bought it because I am limited to 110v in my garage so a 3hp is not an option. Mine was $1800 with discount and free shipping so the one you are looking at is a bit pricey.

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Bran077

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#12 posted 04-19-2018 12:39 AM

I wound up paying $900 for it. A little beat up but it seems mechanically sound. It came with two fences. I’m told by the local dealer that they’re industrial version(s) even though I’m not sure what that means. One is significantly longer than the other but they’re both Accufence.

It also came with two sets of rails. A couple are white. I asked the dealer about that and apparently Jet owns Powermatic (something everyone but me probably knew) and these ones are interchangeable. He also said that they’re industrial version(s), whatever that means.

I went to Home Depot and my local Rockler today and bought new stainless fasteners for the rails, paste wax and some white lithium grease. I also bought a mobile base.

Cleaned most of the rust off the top with 800 and 1600 grit sandpaper. Have a coat of paste wax sitting on it as we speak.

I don’t know if I paid too much. I think 900 was fair for what was put in front me as a kind of beat up commercial saw that sat in storage for 8 months. But it’s only 3 years old, and with a good clean, lube, and alignment, I think I can get it humming again.

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GrantA

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#13 posted 04-19-2018 12:55 AM

I’d recommend holding off on that grease, use a dry lube to keep from attracting sawdust

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Bran077

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#14 posted 04-19-2018 01:06 AM

Here it is before I cleaned it. And extracted the toddler.

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ruger

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#15 posted 04-19-2018 02:49 AM

that’s a nice saw. should be the last saw you should ever purchase..

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TheFridge

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#16 posted 04-19-2018 03:15 AM



that s a nice kid. should be the last kid you should ever purchase..

- ruger

Agreed. Stop before there are too many. Each additional child is a child force multiplier.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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jonah

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#17 posted 04-19-2018 03:18 AM

Regular steel bolts are just fine for the rails, it if you already have stainless, might as well use it. There’s no such thing as “industrial” versions of the fence or rails, so just ignore that. Put on whichever set you want and sell the other set. You should be able to get a good amount of money back for a set of rails and a functional fence.

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Bran077

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#18 posted 04-19-2018 04:29 AM

that s a nice kid. should be the last kid you should ever purchase..

- ruger

Agreed. Stop before there are too many. Each additional child is a child force multiplier.

- TheFridge

Seriously.

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#19 posted 04-19-2018 10:30 AM

$900 with an extra rails is really a decent deal for that saw. Congrats and enjoy!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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ruger

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#20 posted 05-11-2018 12:25 AM

hay the fridge, why is my name under that stupid comment. re read the post. i said nothing about a child.

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