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How much will tools made in America cost

by MrRon
posted 04-05-2018 04:36 PM


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#1 posted 04-05-2018 04:51 PM



If tool manufacturers start making tools again in America

- MrRon

Do you really think that will happen?

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#2 posted 04-05-2018 04:59 PM

but my thought is will be made in America …but with overseas parts ..and the price will probably be outrageous :<((

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#3 posted 04-05-2018 08:00 PM

Actually the U.S. imports very little steel from China!

In my opinion the steel tariff on China is a “spite” tariff for so called tech thefts!

However, some of the China tariffs are really going to hit some mainstay agricultural and food U.S. products.
Iowa, the top pork producing state will be hit hard by the Chinese tariff along with other agricultural products from many states.

Here are the top 10 states “bringing home the bacon,” according to the latest U.S. Census data.
Iowa – $4.2 billion.
Illinois – $1.54 billion.
Minnesota – $1.47 billion.
North Carolina – $1.46 billion.
Indiana – $1.04 billion.
Oklahoma – $952.7 million.
Missouri – $791 million.
Nebraska – $657.5 million.

Iowa is #2 in corn and soybeans right behind illinois which is #1 in both.
If I remember correctly, these were both RED states.

However, I sure that some manufacturers will use the tariffs as an excuse to increase prices on their products …. !

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#4 posted 04-06-2018 11:31 AM

Just be thankful you still have some tool manufactures in the USA, Australia surely doesn’t!!

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#5 posted 04-06-2018 01:11 PM

A lot of the recently announced tariffs and proposed tariffs are more posturing than actual happenings.

Here’s why…
China has one real problem – that with 1.4 BILLION people, their own economy, (the part that is not making things for North America, Europe and places like Russia), will not stand on its own and keep the country running.
They MUST keep factories that manufacture for overseas shipment, or the country will drop into a recession that some have said would be mass chaos. It might be so bad that the country could see a revolt, something that China has had too many decades of in the last century, with Mao, tribes and other terrible people.

Trump knows this, and he is pushing them since he knows we actually are the main end user of the products made in China. North America, (United States and Canada) represent fully 30% of all sales on the planet, and over half of the items made in China. They just cannot afford to push back too hard or they will have starving millions on their hands if Trump pulled it all out.

So China has done selective targeting of their response, and only about a total of 12 billion, minor compared to the 100 billion plus the President wants to lay on China. They did target red states, in the hope that politically they can use US politicians to change his mind, since they really cannot afford the trade war, and would die much sooner than the US would with an honest to goodness trade war. So he is pushing back with another 100 Billion since he knows China cannot win this.

China just cannot afford to lose overseas manufacturing. It would be the end of China as we currently know it, and millions upon millions of Chinese would die, mostly from starvation, since they cannot even grow enough food to feed their own, less alone have a stand-alone economy.

A deal will be cut, in the favor of the USA. Wait and see…

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#6 posted 04-06-2018 08:03 PM



Actually the U.S. imports very little steel from China!

In my opinion the steel tariff on China is a “spite” tariff for so called tech thefts!

However, I sure that some manufacturers will use the tariffs as an excuse to increase prices on their products …. !

- oldnovice

Agreed. Same way gov has implied Huawei installs spyware despite there being no evidence. But I’m not shedding any tears for China.

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#7 posted 04-06-2018 10:57 PM

It is a rare tool that is ” Made ” in america. Offhand I can’t think of any that are completely “AMERICAN” made.

-- Still trying to master kindling making

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#8 posted 04-06-2018 11:48 PM

I wouldn’t worry about it. I think its a non-issue.

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#9 posted 04-07-2018 12:51 AM

Contrary to what POTUS says, nobody wins in a tariff war, especially the everyday consumer!
I have always believed in Theodore Roosevelt’s foreign policy: ”speak softly, and carry a big stick.”
The biggest stick we have is sitting in the WH! (I am sure this is either going to be flagged or removed)

My son is on dialysis, do you know how much medical paraphernalia is manufactured in China and that is one of the tariff targets. He is umemployed and he will need to fork over more for everyday medical supplies.

I feel for the agricultural producers who will probably be hurt the worst!

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#10 posted 04-07-2018 02:18 PM

If China is targeting red states with tariffs, why aren’t they being called out for election tampering?

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#11 posted 04-07-2018 05:52 PM

Tennessee is right. I do, however, think Chinese prices will rise and continue to rise for a while without any tariffs. MrRon, you and I are old enough to remember we went through the same thing with Japan. In the 1960s everything made in Japan was poorly made as they were still recovering from the war. Then in the 1970s their quality improved and they really began to enter the USA, In the 1980s we began to panic that Japan was taking US jobs and their quality was becoming even better than ours! (Which was true as we in the USA really had no foreign competition after World War II and we got complacent). In the 1980s and 1990s Japan was making so much money that they began buying up American real estate by the ton, even the Empire State building! Panic ensued! Then Japan’’s workers began demanding more money and their prices rose. And over time they rose to equal the USA labor rates. Japan was no longer able to swamp the USA with cheaper and better products and all was even again. Now the same thing is happening with China . . . and I now read that Chinese workers are now demanding more money. In time it will even up. Then it will be on to India and other countries to begin the great manufacturing game.

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#12 posted 04-07-2018 06:51 PM



If China is targeting red states with tariffs, why aren t they being called out for election tampering?

- LittleShaver

Good question?
I don’t think they are targeting RED states! China import a lot of agricultural products because they have a lot of mouths to feed and it just so happens that many of the RED states are agricultural economies.
Here is a list of planned import tariffs by China and the first 25 on the list are all ag products!

Planeman40 you are correct!
Chinese workers will get more money and our prices will increase.

In my humble opinion, when a population (Chinese people in this case) understands what free market does for their life style they will want more.
In other words they want to be more US!

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#13 posted 07-08-2018 06:20 PM

Well I was going to buy a grizzly planer 20: with helical head 2 weeks ago and waited. Now there is a $500 tariff fee when you select to buy. so that is an approx. 25% fee added. not to get political but thanks Donald!

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#14 posted 07-08-2018 07:58 PM

When I read “tools” I think of hand tools, still some of those made in the US. Machinery, not so much.

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#15 posted 07-09-2018 03:03 AM



Well I was going to buy a grizzly planer 20: with helical head 2 weeks ago and waited. Now there is a $500 tariff fee when you select to buy. so that is an approx. 25% fee added. not to get political but thanks Donald!

- Willyeat


When it’s all said and done…who’s hands does the 500 dollars end up in?

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#16 posted 07-09-2018 11:45 AM


Well I was going to buy a grizzly planer 20: with helical head 2 weeks ago and waited. Now there is a $500 tariff fee when you select to buy. so that is an approx. 25% fee added. not to get political but thanks Donald!

- Willyeat

When it s all said and done…who s hands does the 500 dollars end up in?

- AlaskaGuy


Trump’s.

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#17 posted 07-09-2018 02:35 PM


Well I was going to buy a grizzly planer 20: with helical head 2 weeks ago and waited. Now there is a $500 tariff fee when you select to buy. so that is an approx. 25% fee added. not to get political but thanks Donald!
- Willyeat

FWIW – Grizzly appears to be attempting to source some planers from Taiwan to avoid the new China tariffs. They are resurrecting some old planer PN’s (G1033 20” and G1021 15”) that had been discontinued with ‘new’ updated models available in October according to website. The 15” has spiral cutter option, but do not see one for 20”.
Best Luck.

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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#18 posted 07-09-2018 09:12 PM

See? The tariffs on Chinese goods are working.

Though Taiwan is technically “Chinese”, they are a break off of mainland China and these tariffs don’t apply. The old Chinese companies will lose sales which will gravitate to other nations with cheap labor and no tariffs. Enough of this and China will feel the pinch and will relent. They sell a hell of a lot more to the USA and the USA to them and have much more to lose. Given time, all of this will settle down and when negotiations arrange an equitable relation the tariffs will be removed.

I am an old codger of 78 and have seen a lot happen in those years. The truth is that China’s low wage advantage is eroding and will be gone. Manufacturing will then look to other upcoming countries in Southeast Asia and India in particular. I saw all of this happen with Japan from the 1960s through the 1990s and this is just a replay.

-- Always remember: It is a mathematical certainty that half the people in this country are below average in intelligence!

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#19 posted 07-09-2018 10:03 PM

When it’s all said and done…who’s hands does the 500 dollars end up in?
—Alaskan’s for Global warming!

to the “Clinton Foundation”

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#20 posted 07-10-2018 04:17 PM

Who’s hand it ends up in is surely none of ours!

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#21 posted 07-11-2018 08:32 PM

It is misleading to claim so little steel comes from China versus Canada and Mexico.

Fact is a lot of steel goes from China to those two countries, who bring it into the US under Nafta, via Trans shipping.

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#22 posted 07-11-2018 09:23 PM



Who s hand it ends up in is surely none of ours!

- oldnovice

Exactly!!

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#23 posted 07-12-2018 04:43 PM



It is misleading to claim so little steel comes from China versus Canada and Mexico.

Fact is a lot of steel goes from China to those two countries, who bring it into the US under Nafta, via Trans shipping.

- DrDirt


Do you have some data to back this claim up?

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#24 posted 07-12-2018 04:44 PM


When it’s all said and done…who’s hands does the 500 dollars end up in?
—Alaskan s for Global warming!

to the “Clinton Foundation”

- Desert_Woodworker


How so?

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#25 posted 07-12-2018 05:40 PM


When it’s all said and done…who’s hands does the 500 dollars end up in?
—Alaskan s for Global warming!

to the “Clinton Foundation”

- Desert_Woodworker

How so?

- RobS888


It’s obvious he making a joke

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#26 posted 07-12-2018 05:46 PM


It is misleading to claim so little steel comes from China versus Canada and Mexico.

Fact is a lot of steel goes from China to those two countries, who bring it into the US under Nafta, via Trans shipping.

- DrDirt

Do you have some data to back this claim up?

- RobS888


I’d like to know more about that myself. I suspect part of it is the some auto makers in Mexico use some Chinese steel in autos that end up in products shipped to the US. As for raw steel I don’t know anything about that.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#27 posted 07-12-2018 07:10 PM


When it’s all said and done…who’s hands does the 500 dollars end up in?
—Alaskan s for Global warming!

to the “Clinton Foundation”

- Desert_Woodworker

How so?

- RobS888

It s obvious he making a joke

- AlaskaGuy

Oh, totally missed it.

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#28 posted 07-12-2018 07:16 PM


It is misleading to claim so little steel comes from China versus Canada and Mexico.

Fact is a lot of steel goes from China to those two countries, who bring it into the US under Nafta, via Trans shipping.

- DrDirt

Do you have some data to back this claim up?

- RobS888

I d like to know more about that myself. I suspect part of it is the some auto makers in Mexico use some Chinese steel in autos that end up in products shipped to the US. As for raw steel I don t know anything about that.

- AlaskaGuy


I’m confused about the steel trade in particular because Wilbur Ross (the steel billionaire in charge of trade) admitted in a senate hearing that Canada wasn’t a national security threat and the US had a steel trade deficit with Canada.

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#29 posted 07-13-2018 03:05 PM


Well I was going to buy a grizzly planer 20: with helical head 2 weeks ago and waited. Now there is a $500 tariff fee when you select to buy. so that is an approx. 25% fee added. not to get political but thanks Donald!

- Willyeat

When it s all said and done…who s hands does the 500 dollars end up in?

- AlaskaGuy

Trump’s.

- RobS888

How so? Do you have some data to back this claim up?

Trans shipping is a very common practice among import/export industry when quotas are exhausted

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#30 posted 07-13-2018 03:39 PM


Well I was going to buy a grizzly planer 20: with helical head 2 weeks ago and waited. Now there is a $500 tariff fee when you select to buy. so that is an approx. 25% fee added. not to get political but thanks Donald!

- Willyeat

When it s all said and done…who s hands does the 500 dollars end up in?

- AlaskaGuy

Trump’s.

- RobS888

How so? Do you have some data to back this claim up?

Trans shipping is a very common practice among import/export industry when quotas are exhausted

- JRsgarage


Do I have data that proves the tariff will end up in Trump’s hands? Don’t need data for that, he controls all aspects of the federal government, including how money is spent.

I don’t know anything about trans shipping, but based on the uh, questionable stats that emerge from Trump, I do not believe it is a problem affecting national security. Just like how Trump told Justin Trudeau Canada had a surplus, then admitted he lied about it.

-- I always knew gun nuts where afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#31 posted 07-13-2018 09:20 PM

After WWII both Japan, Germany, received massive aid and retooled with new updated equipment. The U.S.A. Tried to compete using old / antiquated tools in comparison. The U.S. also had trade agreements with them. At that time any country (the losers) will control workers wage until the country gets back on its feet.
China is communist the workers can demand all they please and may get a bullet for the trouble.
China can produce great products, you have to pay for that, also they must be watched to get that quality; it is part of their business culture.

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#32 posted 07-14-2018 12:33 AM

The tariffs end up in the government hands…..somewhere. Spending is controlled by congress.

Let’s keep politics out of the forum.

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#33 posted 07-14-2018 12:58 AM

+1

OFF MY WATCH

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#34 posted 07-14-2018 01:00 PM

I understand the worries of all my fellow woodworkers here, but since I am from Europe and without getting into politics I’m looking things at a different angle.
Buying something from the U.S. by the time it gets to me the price is tripled and plus there is a 50% tax over that, making things very unaffordable to me.
Things need to be change from both sides on world wide trade !!!

-- Stelios L.A. Stavrinides: - I am not so rich to buy cheap tools, but... necessity is the mother of inventions !!!

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#35 posted 07-14-2018 04:03 PM



I understand the worries of all my fellow woodworkers here, but since I am from Europe and without getting into politics I m looking things at a different angle.
Buying something from the U.S. by the time it gets to me the price is tripled and plus there is a 50% tax over that, making things very unaffordable to me.
Things need to be change from both sides on world wide trade !!!

- steliart


What kind of “stuff” do you or would you buy from the US if it was more affordable?

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#36 posted 07-14-2018 04:16 PM


I understand the worries of all my fellow woodworkers here, but since I am from Europe and without getting into politics I m looking things at a different angle.
Buying something from the U.S. by the time it gets to me the price is tripled and plus there is a 50% tax over that, making things very unaffordable to me.
Things need to be change from both sides on world wide trade !!!

- steliart

What kind of “stuff” do you or would you buy from the US if it was more affordable?

- AlaskaGuy


Well I did buy quite a few things from rockler some years ago when the economic situation was much better, still much more expensive but I prefer the quality offered there than in EU. Right now slowly i got what I needed most except for machines that are a no no from US. I also believe that big chain shops like the one I mentioned if freight and taxes where much lower they might be interested in opening brunches in EU so that this big market can have access to them.

-- Stelios L.A. Stavrinides: - I am not so rich to buy cheap tools, but... necessity is the mother of inventions !!!

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#37 posted 07-14-2018 04:48 PM


I understand the worries of all my fellow woodworkers here, but since I am from Europe and without getting into politics I m looking things at a different angle.
Buying something from the U.S. by the time it gets to me the price is tripled and plus there is a 50% tax over that, making things very unaffordable to me.
Things need to be change from both sides on world wide trade !!!

- steliart

What kind of “stuff” do you or would you buy from the US if it was more affordable?

- AlaskaGuy

Well I did buy quite a few things from rockler some years ago when the economic situation was much better, still much more expensive but I prefer the quality offered there than in EU. Right now slowly i got what I needed most except for machines that are a no no from US. I also believe that big chain shops like the one I mentioned if freight and taxes where much lower they might be interested in opening brunches in EU so that this big market can have access to them.

- steliart


In many cases you are going to the US to buy “stuff” made in China or Taiwan.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#38 posted 07-14-2018 09:41 PM


I understand the worries of all my fellow woodworkers here, but since I am from Europe and without getting into politics I m looking things at a different angle.
Buying something from the U.S. by the time it gets to me the price is tripled and plus there is a 50% tax over that, making things very unaffordable to me.
Things need to be change from both sides on world wide trade !!!

- steliart

What kind of “stuff” do you or would you buy from the US if it was more affordable?

- AlaskaGuy

Well I did buy quite a few things from rockler some years ago when the economic situation was much better, still much more expensive but I prefer the quality offered there than in EU. Right now slowly i got what I needed most except for machines that are a no no from US. I also believe that big chain shops like the one I mentioned if freight and taxes where much lower they might be interested in opening brunches in EU so that this big market can have access to them.

- steliart

In many cases you are going to the US to buy “stuff” made in China or Taiwan.

- AlaskaGuy


Yes my friend I am aware of that but as I said I was aiming for made in US products.
Since you mention China and Taiwan, you do know that many big brands made their products over there under their quality control and specifications so not all China or Taiwan products are as bad as you may think. Also just because I had dealings with companies over there when I was working as a production manager for a company, most Chinese manufacturers offer the same looking product in 2, 3 or more quality versions, so not everything Chinese is bad, many times it depends on what you are willing to pay. Anyway since this is just conversation here I think that a reputable US company even if they have some of their products manufactured in China or Taiwan, they will control the material and quality of that product in opposition to some other companies who just want the same looking thing in cheep quality.

-- Stelios L.A. Stavrinides: - I am not so rich to buy cheap tools, but... necessity is the mother of inventions !!!

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#39 posted 07-14-2018 10:04 PM



In regard to the 25% tariff proposed by President Trump, I wonder how that will affect the cost of tools. If tool manufacturers start making tools again in America, how do you think the price and quality of American made tools will be?
...[snip…]...
- MrRon

Just ASK Trump. He’s got your back…
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....right?

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#40 posted 07-15-2018 02:21 AM

Just ASK Trump. He’s got your back…
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....right?

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#43 posted 07-15-2018 05:11 AM

I do not know if these tariffs will cure anything except to fatten someone’s pocket book!
In my opinion I think that good hard negotiation would have been better for everyone as the rest of the world is also a victim of China and showing a united front may have a position of power.

I understand that China has done a lot of things that many other countries do not do; manipulating their currency, stealing intellectual property, making fake name brand products, and so forth. The free world is some of the blame for these breaches of trade perpetrated by the Chinese as our businesses, and many other counties businesses, we’re eager to make more money by reducing the cost of manufacturing. So now come the tariffs to stop this???

My questions are HOW?
And who will be HURT?

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#44 posted 07-15-2018 10:45 AM

Trump or Obama or Ignorance has been the gist of responses posted, including my sarcastic answer to an earlier post- “the Clinton Foundation”.
I strongly suggest looking at the “history” of tariffs. Below is a Wikipedia rundown on tariffs. If you are confused or don’t understand on what is going on, then at least read the history part of it, for we started as a protectionist republic up until 1945… Also, if you have some understanding economics the charts are good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff

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#45 posted 07-15-2018 06:16 PM

I don’t feel the 25% and 10% tariffs on steel/aluminum are set in stone. The rates will come down as countries reduce their tariffs. When you sell something on Ebay or Craig’s list, you put a higher price on it knowing the buyer will offer less than what you ask. When the sale is complete, the buyer thinks he got a good deal and the seller gets what he wanted. This is what’s happening on the world stage.

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#47 posted 07-16-2018 01:56 PM



The tariffs end up in the government hands…..somewhere. Spending is controlled by congress.

Let s keep politics out of the forum.

- Redoak49


The executive implements what congress “controls” The president has a lot of latitude in implementation even to if they do, actually implement what congress wants. See Russian tariffs from last year.

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#48 posted 07-16-2018 01:58 PM



Trump or Obama or Ignorance has been the gist of responses posted, including my sarcastic answer to an earlier post- “the Clinton Foundation”.
I strongly suggest looking at the “history” of tariffs. Below is a Wikipedia rundown on tariffs. If you are confused or don’t understand on what is going on, then at least read the history part of it, for we started as a protectionist republic up until 1945… Also, if you have some understanding economics the charts are good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff

- Desert_Woodworker

Why wouldn’t one blame Trump for tariffs Trump decreed? Also, using a law about national security as the reason for said tariffs.

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#49 posted 07-16-2018 03:11 PM



From American Thinker; https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/07/on_trade_and_tariffs_donald_trump_is_right_and_mark_levin_is_wrong.html

- Gerald Thompson


Couple of problems with this “article”, one American Thinker is a right wing website, and calling them “thinkers” is like calling me a “Thinker”! It just ain’t so.

First he calls Mark Levin Brilliant? That is doubtful. This shows how right wing this website is slanted.

Second he agrees that all of Levin’s points are correct, but he is still wrong?

Third He claims if Canada allowed more of our milk into Canada by removing the 270% tariff we would increase jobs! Canada is already the 3rd largest market for US dairy products. This one is really hard to understand since we dump 10s of millions of gallons of milk because of oversupply. Wouldn’t Canada need to absorb all of our oversupply just to maintain the current dairy employment?

Canada has succeeded in maintaining small family farms and everyone makes money. We had 3.5 million dairy farms in the 50s, less than 60,000 now. Canadians only pay once, at the register. We pay at least twice since we subsidize our farmers and incentivize them to keep increasing production, even if it goes into pits because there is no one to buy it.

I’d rather buy from a family farm than a giant agro company.

-- I always knew gun nuts where afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#50 posted 07-16-2018 03:20 PM

Bait?

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