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Wixley angle Guage

by Dee1
posted 02-17-2018 01:05 AM


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msinc

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#1 posted 02-17-2018 01:15 AM

I have one and I have to say that I am impressed with the accuracy. I had trouble setting up the table on my band saw until I got this thing. I did just fairly recently get it and admit that I haven’t had time to really put the thing thru it’s paces yet, but again, based on what I have seen so far it is very accurate and repeatable. I would recommend it to others. I also have a Wixey DRO on my 735 and it went right on and works fantastic too. I believe Wixey makes decent stuff.

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jonah

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#2 posted 02-17-2018 01:40 AM

Wixey doesn’t make the angle cubes. Some factory in china turns out a bazillion of those things and sells them to everyone. Wixey just puts their sticker on. Not that there’s anything necessarily wrong with that. I have one. They’re perfectly fine. Not flawlessly accurate, but they definitely are close enough.

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TheFridge

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#3 posted 02-17-2018 02:14 AM

If you’re expecting precision don’t. It doesn’t have enough resolution. It’s ok. I’d rather an engineer square.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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49er

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#4 posted 02-17-2018 03:22 AM

To refurbish a grape press I had to make a irregular base pyramid. I bought the Wixy gauge and it turned out well. I don’t think I could have done as well without it. As far as resolution, I think a tenth of a degree is adequate for the work we do. Also, repeat-ability seems good too.

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Woodknack

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#5 posted 02-17-2018 03:25 AM

Mine is dead nutz.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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johnstoneb

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#6 posted 02-17-2018 03:30 AM

I have one it’s within a tenth of a degree. When I have checked my saw blade for 90 after using the wixey can’t see any light between square and blade. Close enough for me.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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000

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#7 posted 02-17-2018 03:37 AM

I have the Beall Tilt Box.
Everything I use it for seems to work, so I can’t say it’s off.

I don’t think one would be 2 degrees off.
Place your gauge on the saws table top (not the insert) and zero it, then put it on your blade, check for 90, then tilt to 45 deg. and check it. See how the saw gauge compares at both spots.

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ArtMann

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#8 posted 02-17-2018 05:41 AM

My Wixey is a lot more accurate than the indicator on the saw. I use it quite often and I have never encountered a situation where it was not accurate enough. You do have to follow the recommended procedure or you will get bad results.

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bigJohninvegas

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#9 posted 02-17-2018 06:02 AM

I have the iGaging angle cube. And it works great. It also uses a regular 9 volt battery.
https://www.amazon.com/iGaging-AngleCube-Digital-Level-Bevel/dp/B002LL0BIC/ref=sr_1_1/138-0031077-0545935?ie=UTF8&qid=1518846818&sr=8-1&keywords=angle+cube#feature-bullets-btf

If you go with the Wixey brand. Make sure it is the type 2 version. It uses a single AAA battery.
The type 1 uses a 2032 watch style battery.
The type 1 is what was available when I bought mine. And everyone said the battery did not last long.

-- John

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CaptainKlutz

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#10 posted 02-17-2018 06:16 AM

Am a Klutz, hate to say have had a couple.
They inevitably get knocked on concrete garage floor a few times too many and stop working. Last nudge to floor dislodged most magnets from case. :( Super glue fixed that oops.
Even with my abuse, still find them to be accurate compared to steel engineering square and 45 template I use.

BUT = There is a small trick to using them.
Like any digital scale with limited resolution, you have to sneak across the exact measurement to gain best precision. 0.1 difference is enough to show light behind a square when verifying the angle. Toggling back and forth across the desire set point helps to remove some of error. IE the angle gauge only shows 0.1 degree steps, so 45 could be 44.051 to 45.049. Get better accuracy if you go over target measurement by 0.1, and then tweak it back to target. If your tool has enough precision, you can rotate between 44.9 and 45.1 a couple of times and gain “feel” for the middle (target) measurement.
YMMV

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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Woodknack

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#11 posted 02-17-2018 06:19 AM

You can test the Wixey or any inclinometer the same way you would test a level, by turning it around. If you get 0.2 one way, rotate 180° and you should get 0.2.

http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/8530

http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/5266

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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TheFridge

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#12 posted 02-17-2018 07:04 AM

Have tried multiple ways. Still too large of a margin of error for me.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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Dutchy

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#13 posted 02-17-2018 08:40 AM

This is what Wixey is saying about there WR 300: Accuracy – +/- 0.1 Degrees, Repeatably +/- 0.1 Degrees

-- https://dutchypatterns.com/

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Knockonit

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#14 posted 02-17-2018 12:52 PM

I finally pulled the one i purchased awhile back out, and experimented, and am quite happy that it does as intended, keeps me on the angle of the dangle correctly, i have some machinest squares, and it appears mr. wixeys tool is good to go for what i can accomplish. highly recommended by me.
Rj

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BurlyBob

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#15 posted 02-17-2018 05:38 PM

I’ve got a Wixey cube and the protractor. They both see to work really well for me. I’m going to pickup another cube, “angle cube”. They purport it accurate to .05.

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GR8HUNTER

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#16 posted 02-17-2018 10:49 PM

CLOSE NUFF 4 ME :<))

-- Tony---- Reinholds,Pa.------ REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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clin

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#17 posted 02-17-2018 11:08 PM

I have the Wixey type 2 and it works great. It can be zeroed, and if I turn it around or other similar checks, it consistently gives me the same reading. I believe it displays and claims to be accurate to 0.1 degrees, and I believe it.

An error of 0.1 deg is equal to a gap of 1.75 mil per inch. Since a typical 10” table saw blade can make about a 3” cut, that’s an error of 5.2 mil over a 3” cut. And since most cuts are much thinner. Often 1” stock, most cuts will be 1.7 mil or so. I really like how the magnet sticks to my blade and I can just read it out as I tilt the blade.

So far I’ve not had any cuts where I believe there was any error that mattered for me.

-- Clin

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ArtMann

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#18 posted 02-18-2018 04:28 AM

clin,

You are very informative to point out the “sine” error and your conclusion is spot on. An error of 0.1 degrees isn’t enough to make any practical difference at all. There is more machine and technique variation than that.

I have built a number of 6 or 8 sided boxes. The Wixey has never been wrong enough that I could see any cracks after strap clamps are applied for glue up.

Maybe some Wixey boxes are less accurate but I have two and they read the same every time.

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therealSteveN

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#19 posted 02-18-2018 06:58 AM

I bought a Wixey, and somehow got a Beall tilt box as a gift. I’ve found both of the ones I have to be dead nutz. I keep the Wixey stuck to the TS cabinet, and the Beall to the BS cabinet, actually works pretty good, and they are the only tools that get tilted on any kind of regular basis.

As also mentioned a good protactor. I have a Starrett and it is a very useful item, as you can bring it to the work, or the tool, either way it gives dead on answers about angles. On the tilt boxes I would buy the best price, on the protractor I would insist on the Starrett, or a similar make. Many of the flat, thin, metal ones come pre bent.

-- Think safe, be safe

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Fred Hargis

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#20 posted 02-18-2018 12:28 PM

I also have the Beall, and find it to be dead nuts…at least in a woodworking sense.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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EarlS

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#21 posted 02-18-2018 12:42 PM

All of the Wixey product are very accurate. I have the cube, the protractor, the digital fence gauge, and the planer thickness gauge. I haven’t bought the router gauge yet but I’m sure it is accurate as well.

I’m rather picky when it comes to recommending products, but Wixey is one brand that I would recommend.

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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John_

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#22 posted 02-18-2018 10:57 PM

I never heard of the Beall and took a look. Talking about a “Chinese factory churning these things out”...

I have one from Fowler (Amazon Warehouse deal) and it looks exactly like the Beall and even has the same specs. (I have purchased several Fowler Products from the Warehouse and overall have been very pleased with them, especially for the price I paid)

I like Wixley and own several of their digital devices – the one thing I don’t like about them is the resolution only reads to one decimal point where the Fowler/Beall will read to two (.05). I know we are dealing with wood but for some reason I like the 2 places)

The Wixey WR300 v1 actually has better accuracy than the v2, but I guess they solved the battery problem with v2

All in all, I think these things work great and sure make life easier

Here is a pic of the Fowler and the Beall

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ArtMann

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#23 posted 02-19-2018 12:37 AM



I like Wixley and own several of their digital devices – the one thing I don t like about them is the resolution only reads to one decimal point where the Fowler/Beall will read to two (.05). I know we are dealing with wood but for some reason I like the 2 places)
- John_H

The Wixey only reads to one decimal place because that is the limit of its accuracy. If the Fowler or any other brand reads to two decimal places, they are implying an accuracy level that is a lie. That extra digit is there to impress people, not to provide more accurate information. You aren’t going to get a measurement that is accurate to 1/100 of a degree with an instrument that costs $50. As you implied, additional accuracy is useless, even if it were real.

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John_

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#24 posted 02-19-2018 01:32 AM


If the Fowler or any other brand reads to two decimal places, they are implying an accuracy level that is a lie. That extra digit is there to impress people, not to provide more accurate information. You aren t going to get a measurement that is accurate to 1/100 of a degree with an instrument that costs $50. As you implied, additional accuracy is useless, even if it were real.
- ArtMann

About the only other thing I have to digitally measure angles is my $275 48-Inch Stabila Digital Level

If I place the level on my fairly flat table saw and elevate one end exactly 4” – it and the Fowler Cube reads the same, 4.05°. If I place a 1/16” setup block on top of the 4” block, they both read 4.15°

Works for me, the Wixley would probably would have indicated 4.1° for both. No big deal to me, but since we are splitting hairs and calling companies ‘liars’...

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CWolf

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#25 posted 02-19-2018 03:43 AM

Both Stabila and Fowler say that their products are accurate within +/- .2 degrees. When you see a reading of 4.05 degrees on them, all you know is that the actual angle is between 3.85 and 4.25 degrees, so you are not getting any more useful information from having that extra decimal place.

Also, there is no reason to think the Wixey would have read 4.1 degrees for both measurements. It is probably more likely that it would have read, for example, 4.0 and 4.1.

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Woodknack

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#26 posted 02-19-2018 05:18 AM




- John_H

Tip, with that style, magnets on the side, check if the case is square. I had one that wasn’t.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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Ajs73

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#27 posted 02-19-2018 10:29 AM

Just ordered me a Wixey gauge type 2 today from Woodcraft.
On sale for $19.99. Seemed cheap enough to try it out. Spend $30
& shippings free.

-- Andy, NE Ohio

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Chook2

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#28 posted 02-20-2018 10:28 AM

These do make life a whole lot easier for building odd shaped items. The calibration to zero is really good on inclines too.
My only complaint with mine is the display automatically turns off after 3 minutes. When I’m setting up a chassis of my landyachts I build, it would be nice if I could get it to stay on. Otherwise they are brilliant for most jobs.

I also use these Digital Protractors and find them invaluable as well. I have a stock of batteries for both tools as the closest shop is 76kms away.

-- Chook, Esperance Western Australia

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ArtMann

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#29 posted 02-20-2018 06:48 PM

Here is a quote from the Tilt Box website. Make of it what you will.

“Note About Accuracy: The original Tilt Box was advertised as having a resolution of .05 and an accuracy of .1. While this was (and remains) true of many of the units, it is not, we have discovered with time, true of all of them, and so, for the sake of accuracy, we are now downgrading our claims to the more realistic .2 of a degree”.

From an engineering perspective, neither instrument is consistently capable of distinguishing between X.05” and X.15” according to their own specs. If anyone is lucky enough to get one that is more accurate than that, they will probably never know it.

A cardinal rule of measurement systems is “resolution” does not equal “accuracy”.

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TheFridge

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#30 posted 02-20-2018 06:58 PM

But it still looks cool :)

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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