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Looking for new inexpensive Planes

by David
posted 01-30-2018 09:10 PM


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bbasiaga

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#1 posted 01-30-2018 09:18 PM

Wood river seems to be a good choice, depending on your definition of reasonable.

You could also get an ready restored older plane from one of the jocks that sell them here. That might be the cheapest if you are not set on new.

Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#2 posted 01-30-2018 09:58 PM

Ditto. Refurb’d by others is the way to get the most bang for your buck. timetestedtools

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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knotscott

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#3 posted 01-30-2018 10:12 PM

There are lots of old planes that are ready to go that have already been restored or that don’t need restoration. Don’t overlook those.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Vindex

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#4 posted 01-30-2018 10:17 PM

I agree with the others that buying a refurbished used one from someone on this site is the way to go. A new plane within your budget would require a lot of work to tune up.

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Loren

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#5 posted 01-30-2018 11:33 PM

I’ve never “restored” a vintage plane, but
I have cleaned the rust off, sharpened the
irons and put them to work. As long as
the parts are all there, a Bailey plane is not
a very complicated tool to get working.

In any case, Grizzly sells new Bailey style
planes at inexpensive prices. I would guess
you could get one cutting wood pretty quick
and if you get a bug to pursue finer shavings
you could get some “layout fluid” and check
the sole.

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Vindex

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#6 posted 01-31-2018 02:29 AM

I think you need to start with a properly tuned plane so that you can get a feel for it. A Grizzly plane is not going to work properly right out of the box, and if you don’t know what a tuned plane is supposed to feel like, you are probably going to get frustrated trying to get the darn thing in good working order.

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David

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#7 posted 01-31-2018 03:21 PM

Thanks for all you comments, I was wondering if Stanley Jack Plane #5 brand new one is worth buying, it is $75 on Amazon if I don’t buy a vintage planer?

https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-12-905-14-Inch-Contractor-Smooth/dp/B00004UDKW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1517411998&sr=8-2&keywords=stanley+jack+plane

Thanks

-- David Tab

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Lazyman

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#8 posted 01-31-2018 03:36 PM

What you are going to find with most new planes in the sub $100 range and some over that is that you will have to spend some time sharpening and tuning the plane so buying an even cheaper used one will not be much more work to get it tuned up. If you buy one from one of the guys who has refurbished (cleaned and tuned) it already you can usually immediately put it to work for less than that Stanley.

If you are set on a new plane, check out some of the YouTube videos on setup and tuning of hand planes. There are several good ones and you will see that the amount of work to tune a new one is not much different than what you would do with a good used one you find at a garage sale.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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Bill White

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#9 posted 01-31-2018 03:42 PM

Buying a cheap plane….....................hmmm?
Does that mean that you don’t really want to learn how to use a plane?
Buy a refurbed #4 from a reliable source, learn how to use it properly, enjoy the result.
THAT is the way to spend your time and money wisely.
Bill

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Loren

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#10 posted 01-31-2018 03:45 PM

There used to be a brand of planes called
Anant made in India that got some good reviews,
but they don’t seem to be available. Even some
of the high end plane companies like Clifton
have had quality control problems. I think
delivering an affordable Bailey style plane that
doesn’t piss off people on the internet is
probably impossible these days. Perhaps
buyer expectations are too high. Perhaps
cheap new planes suck on the average.

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JayT

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#11 posted 01-31-2018 03:48 PM



Thanks for all you comments, I was wondering if Stanley Jack Plane #5 brand new one is worth buying, it is $75 on Amazon if I don t buy a vintage planer?

- David

No, IMO, it is not worth buying. Some of the new hand planes like that one can be tuned up to work decently, if you know what you are doing. Others are simply not capable due to really loose manufacturing tolerances on cheaper planes like that one. I will echo the advice of all those above. For the price of that new Stanley, you can get a vintage jack that is much better constructed and has been tuned up by someone knowledgeable and is ready to use.

For someone new to hand planes, that is a huge boost. When I started with planes, I thought I was doing a good job setting them up and sharpening. It wasn’t until receiving one in trade from another LJ member that I realized how a well tuned plane ought to perform. Having that standard to try and meet pushed my expectations much higher and allowed me to get the most out of the tools.

One place you should look would be Time Tested Tools Don is a member of this forum and is very knowledgeable and skilled at restoring and tuning planes. He’s not showing many jacks at the moment, but this one is definitely worth considering. It’s a little more than the one you posted, but that extra price gets a forged steel body (won’t break when dropped) and a far superior design and construction that will outperform that new budget plane and you won’t have the extra time to learn to tune and fettle.

-- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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Vindex

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#12 posted 01-31-2018 04:12 PM

I think JayT nailed it, and I think the plane he recommended is an ideal fit for your needs.

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#13 posted 01-31-2018 05:33 PM

Please consider taking the advise that’s been solicited and provided: a refurbished vintage tool, by a quality tool monger like Don W, is head and shoulders better than purchasing any newly manufactured plane that retails for less than $150. You’re just inviting frustration if you go “new” and “cheap.”

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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dhazelton

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#14 posted 01-31-2018 06:24 PM

Old Stanley’s for $20 and under sit in every antique shop in America. Most of them only need to be cleaned and the blade sharpened.

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David

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#15 posted 01-31-2018 06:35 PM

Got it. I found Stanley #5 plane on ebay, honed and everything, I am going to go for it:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/263462505505

Thanks all

-- David Tab

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Ocelot

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#16 posted 01-31-2018 07:29 PM

That looks like a fine one David.

I don’t think you will regret it. It will make you smile.

-Paul

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olegrump

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#17 posted 02-01-2018 02:59 PM

Loren mentioned ANANT planes from India. I bought a couple of them several years ago through Highland Hardware. Their quality was actually much better than I expected and work quite well. The only ANAT I had a little “issue” with is their version of the Stanley fillister, because the edge of the blade wasn’t square. a little quick work on the grinder, and it works fine.

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Roy Turbett

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#18 posted 02-02-2018 02:26 AM



Got it. I found Stanley #5 plane on ebay, honed and everything, I am going to go for it:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/263462505505

Thanks all

- David

The seller knows his planes and is quite the salesman. The description alone added $50 to the bid! But he’s right about that being a very good type.

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JayT

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#19 posted 02-02-2018 03:25 AM

David, the Bailey plane you linked on ebay would be a fine worker. Do please consider that with shipping and what the final auction price is likely to be, you are going to be paying more than getting the V&B from Don W that I linked. While not as well known as the Stanley planes, the V&B 905 is a premium plane of better inherent design and construction.

If you do pursue the ebay plane, then good luck.

-- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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Vindex

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#20 posted 02-02-2018 06:21 AM

Plus, the eBay plane will probably sell for more than $100 once the bidding is done. The eBay Stanley is a very good plane that will serve you very well. However, JayT is right about the V&B being a better plane, so don’t hesitate to buy it if you are outbid on the Stanley. Good luck!

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Don W

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#21 posted 02-02-2018 01:27 PM


Got it. I found Stanley #5 plane on ebay, honed and everything, I am going to go for it:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/263462505505

Thanks all

- David

The seller knows his planes and is quite the salesman. The description alone added $50 to the bid! But he s right about that being a very good type.

- Roy Turbett

That plane was restored by Mark Nickel. I don’t think Mark is a member here, but he is the contributing editor for my book. If he says it’s tuned. It’s tuned. No matter what the price, it will server you well.

-- http://timetestedtools.net - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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Brian Ahern

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#22 posted 02-04-2018 03:00 PM

I’ve seen all sorts of Stanley planes at flea markets, yard sales and estate sales for cheap

-- Brian Ahern

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tshiker

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#23 posted 02-05-2018 06:14 PM



Got it. I found Stanley #5 plane on ebay, honed and everything, I am going to go for it:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/263462505505

Thanks all

- David

Wow! That is not how much I was thinking about when you said you were looking for an inexpensive plane! I don’t care who tuned that plane, for a “user” that is way too much!

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Ocelot

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#24 posted 02-08-2018 05:11 PM

Sold for $161. That’s the highest price I’ve seen on ebay for a bailey #5.

If it wasn’t you, go find another – with rust on it – and ugly dark pictures – for $30 shipped. You’d be surprised how easy it is to clean it up and make it sing.

This…

In a few hours work, became this …

Or buy Don W.’s plane.

-Paul

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David

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#25 posted 02-08-2018 05:41 PM

I finally bought one tuned and beautify restored by I did not pay $160 but I did pay $130 for it. I know it was little too much but I felt in love with the plane. Repainted, everything is polished., including brass knobs and nuts, old rosewood knob and tote was sanded and restored, the corrugated bottom has been lapped flat and smooth, the blade flatten and polished mirror finish , bevel is 25 degrees. I bought it from Mark Knickel. Here some pictures.

I am afraid to use it now. I might just look at.

-- David Tab

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#26 posted 02-08-2018 05:57 PM

Very nice indeed! Congrats on the purchase!

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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David

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#27 posted 02-08-2018 06:05 PM

One last thing:

If you can recommend any sharpening stone and where to buy I appreciate it.

-- David Tab

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bbasiaga

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#28 posted 02-08-2018 08:31 PM

Buy an Ohishi 1000/8000 combo stone from Lie Nielsen, and then a coarse diamond plate to flatten it. They will be the only two stones you need. And despite being from Lie Nielsen, they are not any more expensive than other stones. They also don’t have to be soaked, only surface wetted which is nice.

If youj want a honing guide, the Veritas one is the best I have tried.

Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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OSU55

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#29 posted 02-08-2018 08:56 PM

How I sharpen. Other blog entries on tuning up a plane as well.

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Vindex

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#30 posted 02-08-2018 09:45 PM

That is a very nice plane!

As for sharpening stones, the best budget stone in my opinion is the King 1000/6000 combo stone ($23 on Amazon). I have it, and it works well. It’s all you absolutely need to keep your plane iron sharp.
You will, however, need something to flatten the stone. That could be a lapping plate or a large diamond stone. I personally went with an extra coarse 11.5” diamond stone because I can also use it to flatten new chisel and plane blades and to establish the initial bevel on a new blade.

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Ocelot

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#31 posted 02-09-2018 03:39 PM

Looks like a type 19 – from the 50’s mostly (49-61). I’ve found they work very well.

While you surely could have paid less, I believe it’s worth the money as a working tool.

I’ve got a No 7, type 19 that’s the best working No 7 I have. I still might sell it since I have 4 other No 7’s and a couple of No 8’s and my shop is overcrowded with planes.

-Paul

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Don W

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#32 posted 02-10-2018 02:17 PM

It’s basically common knowledge it’s possible to find fantastic Stanley-Bailey or other good quality planes for next to nothing. It’s also easy to forget about the days we drive 100 miles, spend all day walking through flea markets and antique shops and come home with one $5 gem, that we later find out is cracked when we start cleaning it up.

time-money-enjoyment. Pick 2.

-- http://timetestedtools.net - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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TheFridge

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#33 posted 02-10-2018 08:39 PM

Very similar to this

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