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SketchupFree

by Bohaiboy
posted 01-22-2018 07:30 PM


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hotbyte

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#1 posted 01-22-2018 07:37 PM

Yuck…some things should not be cloud based!

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dschlic1

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#2 posted 01-22-2018 08:27 PM

I would not use the cloud based SU Make. You can still download SU Make 2016. The web based version cannot use custom plugins!

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AxkMan

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#3 posted 01-23-2018 01:56 AM

Everything is going app/cloud based….

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Lazyman

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#4 posted 01-23-2018 02:17 AM

Yeah, not a fan of the web version. It is handy for viewing on the web and for minor tweaks but not ready for prime time usage for design. They obviously rushed it into production. It also crashes on mobile browsers. Still using the 2017 version and will until they can fix the web version.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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lew

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#5 posted 01-23-2018 02:28 PM

As “Lazyman” said, get Make 2017. It will be the last of the free downloadable versions. Sketchup Make users are not happy!

Sketchup Pro will continue to be updated and downloadable but the occasional user will be hard pressed to justify the price.

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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ArtMann

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#6 posted 01-23-2018 03:31 PM

My belief is that the strategy of many major software creators is to provide a reasonably priced (or free) product that becomes indispensable to the user and then hold the person hostage to continue to use it. It is their right but I don’t like it. We abandoned Adobe products after 30 years for this very reason.

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bbasiaga

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#7 posted 01-23-2018 04:31 PM

Do plugins still work in the online version? Like the cut list extension?

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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Lazyman

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#8 posted 01-23-2018 10:50 PM

If their goal is to make me want to take the time to learn Fusion 360, they may succeed. Since I learned Sketchup first, it was difficult to make the transition so I kept going back to Sketchup because I was more productive with it but if they continue to make it more difficult to use, it will be much easier to make the leap.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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Lazyman

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#9 posted 01-23-2018 10:58 PM


Do plugins still work in the online version? Like the cut list extension?

- bbasiaga

I cannot find a way to use a plug-in so I guess that is functionality that they are removing from the web version.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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Bohaiboy

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#10 posted 01-24-2018 12:04 AM

Yep, so i have learned if you want the latest and greatest SKetchup AND want to use extensions previously purchased, you have to purchase SU Pro 18. However you can continue to use previous versions of Make, they just wont have technical support and will not get new features as they are developed. Not familiar with Fusion 360 but will check it out.

-- Tim, Houston, TX area

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#11 posted 01-24-2018 11:05 AM



My belief is that the strategy of many major software creators is to provide a reasonably priced (or free) product that becomes indispensable to the user and then hold the person hostage to continue to use it. It is their right but I don t like it. We abandoned Adobe products after 30 years for this very reason.

- ArtMann

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-- "Nothing happens until you build it"

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#12 posted 01-24-2018 03:49 PM

LOL

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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Steve

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#13 posted 01-24-2018 03:59 PM

Sorry to threadjack, but does anyone have experience using Visio in place of sketchup?

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#14 posted 01-24-2018 04:08 PM

You can still download Make 2017 here:
https://www.sketchup.com/download/all

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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Bohaiboy

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#15 posted 01-24-2018 05:09 PM

I have used Visio for years. It is a 2D model only. Fairly steep learning curve and not nearly as good as SU for furniture drawing. I do still use it from time to time for cut lists for plywood but again it is only 2D.

-- Tim, Houston, TX area

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dschlic1

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#16 posted 01-24-2018 06:08 PM

Another alternative is Fusion 360 from Autodesk. Local program, data is stored on the cloud, but can be copied to local storage. Free for non commercial use and very small businesses.

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Mike_D_S

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#17 posted 01-24-2018 06:59 PM

There are upsides and downsides to this kind of strategy.

For the vendor, a cloud strategy means less support headache as you no longer need to do as much direct user support for installations, less testing on different hardware setups, etc. You also can become much more agile in deploying updates, fixes, etc including the ability to do AB or other testing for new features.

But as the vendor you also need to think about where your market really is and why people choose your product. There are plenty of people that will go ahead and sign up for Pro, but there are a lot of people that don’t need all those features and they run the risk of creating the impetus for competition by not addressing that gap.

From a psychological point of view, people often have a hard time starting to pay for something they got for free. In my industry, we often say that the product value is what you charge for it and not what the buyer actually gets. So these guys have already created the expectation that users will get a great product that satisfies 50%+ of user needs for $0. Changing that mindset with users is not impossible, but requires a well thought out strategy.

I’ll be interested to see what they do going forward. Autodesk’s Fusion360 deal for hobby guys and small business is a perfect example of addressing a feeder market to get share and user acceptance. I’m surprised the Sketchup guys didn’t roll out some similar scheme for light duty users who still needed more than the web version.

I’m a little like Lazyman above. I like Sketchup, but the recent changes did prompt me to download and install Fusion360 and get my hobby license (which was super easy to do). Not only that, even though I had a hobby license I got a couple emails from Autodesk asking me if I needed anything or if they could help. Now clearly that’s a sales call as well as customer engagement, but I appreciated the effort.

So now I’ve got a viable competitor installed and my decision now is whether the time for the new learning curve to Fusion 360 is more or less than the cost of a Pro license.

Mike

-- No honey, that's not new, I've had that forever......

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ArtMann

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#18 posted 01-25-2018 01:08 AM

I think it would be a mistake to assume that Autodesk isn’t using the same tactics as Google.

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Mike_D_S

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#19 posted 01-25-2018 02:07 AM

Well, I don’t have to assume they are using different tactics, I can say for sure they are. Sketchup wants me to pay for the fuller set of features and Autodesk is willing to give me a fairly wide feature set for free.

Now with that inflammatory reply out of the way, I realize that Autodesk is only willing to give out Fusion360 for free to small business and hobby guys with the hope that they’ll use the platform and one day become bigger businesses and then start paying for the usage.

My only observation here is that these are two different models:
Sketchup – smaller feature set for free, full set needs fairly high dollar license
Fusion360 – moderate feature set for free (for hobby and small businesses), full set needs fairly high dollar license

So you can make some assumptions about the underlying business models:
Fusion360 – prioritizing share and platform acceptance and utilization over revenue stream
Sketchup – Monetizing the existing share and acceptance while maintaining a simplified entry point for new users.

The models are not fixed and can change and the above just represents how I see it from a single hobby guy’s perspective.

Mike

-- No honey, that's not new, I've had that forever......

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000

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#20 posted 01-25-2018 02:50 AM

How I’m looking at it.
I definitely don’t want to learn a new program, and am not excited about using the cloud version.
I’m going to keep using SU17 until the cloud improves or until the SU17 no longer functions as I need.
At that point I will buy the pro version.

I’ve been using Sketchup for about 7 or 8 years, so buying the pro version doesn’t seem like too big a deal.
When you spread out the cost over the number of projects I have used SU for,
I think I’ve gotten my moneys worth.

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