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How much can you thin latex/acrylic

by bilyo
posted 01-18-2018 09:32 PM


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John Smith

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#1 posted 01-18-2018 10:14 PM

“small” sprayer ?

this comes down to the type of sprayer used
CFM of the compressor
viscosity of the paint.

all latex paints are not the same.
experiment with a 10% dilution and go from there up to 25% and see what works for you.

-- Failure is proof that you at least tried ~ now, go do it again, and again, until you get it right --

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#2 posted 01-18-2018 10:18 PM

I’d check the label, there are limits to how much you can thin before you mess up the chemistry. 10% is a good (common) starting point, but the label will give you the max…don’t exceed that. I’ve sprayed 100% acrylic paint with a 2.0 MM needle set (HVLP) and it worked just fine…but they will all be a little different in that regard.

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#3 posted 01-18-2018 10:24 PM

I think that how much you can thin latex paint depends on the type & brand. I would first check the label to see if it says anything about thinning. If not, check with manufacturer’s website or the store if it is one that just carries their own brand. I’ve never used it but you might also look into an additive such as Floetrol which is specially design to make latex paint flow better.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#4 posted 01-18-2018 10:28 PM

Thin it 100% it will last a long time until it dries.. BUT there isn’t any color in water even though it covers good!

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#5 posted 01-18-2018 10:29 PM

I have some acrylic paint that I tried to thin enough to spray with a small spray gun. It has a 0.8, 1.0, and 1.2 or 1.4 tip. I reduced a sample of the paint about 50% and it still would not spray. There is not much point in experimenting further if I’m ruining the paint.

I had the pressure at abut 35 psi. I could go up to 60 psi with this gun. Not sure if that would help. I’m guessing that it won’t if I can’t thin more than 25%.

The label says to thin only 10%. I’m probably wrong, but thought that might have more to do with coveragel

I’ll try the Floetrol.

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John Smith

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#6 posted 01-18-2018 11:31 PM

I have used a couple of quart bottles of Floetrol and have had
different results with different brands of paint.
your end result will also depend on many external parameters:
temperature – humidity – PSI/CFM – type of sprayer, yada yada yada.

do not get Floetrol confused with Penetrol – which is for Oil Based Paint and Varnish.

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000

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#7 posted 01-19-2018 12:38 AM

I hate floetrol, Go up to 25 – 30%. If it still doesn’t spray look for another gun.
Home depots have Husky brand Siphon feed spray guns for 49.00 that should work.

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bilyo

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#8 posted 01-20-2018 04:50 PM

Thank you for your comments. However, you have kind of missed the point of my question. I am using a small gun because of the detailed work I am needing to do. I got the gun specifically because it is only slightly larger than an air brush. I don’t want a gun made for painting large surfaces. With that, I would like to spray a water based paint if possible. Hence, my question: how much can you thin acrylic or latex paint without ruining it? If using acrylic/latex in this gun is just not possible, I guess I’m left with using automotive paint unless pigmented lacquer or poly will work.

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#9 posted 01-20-2018 05:11 PM

I think you are left with exploring this yourself. Mix up some 10%, 20% 30% and 40% dilution, see which works best, if at all. If one works but not quite good enough, mix two additional mixes, one with 5% less water, one with 5% more water. And do us all a favor. Please report back here with your results. We want to know too. Like you, I use air brushes and other smaller sprayers.

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#10 posted 01-20-2018 06:06 PM

You should be following the manufactures recommendations.

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#11 posted 01-20-2018 06:11 PM


Thank you for your comments. However, you have kind of missed the point of my question. I am using a small gun because of the detailed work I am needing to do. I got the gun specifically because it is only slightly larger than an air brush. I don t want a gun made for painting large surfaces. With that, I would like to spray a water based paint if possible. Hence, my question: how much can you thin acrylic or latex paint without ruining it? If using acrylic/latex in this gun is just not possible, I guess I m left with using automotive paint unless pigmented lacquer or poly will work.

- bilyo


You didn’t say that in you original post so no one knew. Still you need to thin it no more that the manufacture says it can be thinned.

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#12 posted 01-20-2018 09:34 PM

How much can you thin? I can’t say for sure in your case but in my experience, with Latex paints the answer is “not enough”. I have been doing some research lately because I need to paint a set of cabinets and shelves and I have been wanting to try water based paint. Both Benjamin Moore and Sherwin Williams have 100% Acrylic materials that can be sprayed with a HVLP gun. They specify orifice size and it is larger than what I am used to.

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#13 posted 01-20-2018 10:19 PM


I think you are left with exploring this yourself. Mix up some 10%, 20% 30% and 40% dilution, see which works best, if at all. If one works but not quite good enough, mix two additional mixes, one with 5% less water, one with 5% more water. And do us all a favor. Please report back here with your results. We want to know too. Like you, I use air brushes and other smaller sprayers.

- Planeman40


I have done just what you suggested and have gotten to 40% which will not spray through a 1.0 mm tip. I can, of course, continue with the step by step reductions and will probably reach a point where it will spray. I was trying to find out if this much reduction, and more, will damage the product chemically. It it does, there is no point in experimenting further.

I have sent questions to a couple of paint companies. I’ll see what they have to say before continuing further. I have a feeling that they will not endorse such drastic thinning of their product which would be in conflict with directions printed on the can. We’ll see. I’ll let you know.

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#14 posted 01-21-2018 01:20 AM

I have sprayed unthinned latex with success. I raised the air pressure considerably though, like 30 to 40 lbs. It goes on slightly “pebbly” but dries O.K.

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#15 posted 01-21-2018 05:02 AM



I have sprayed unthinned latex with success. I raised the air pressure considerably though, like 30 to 40 lbs. It goes on slightly “pebbly” but dries O.K.

- Planeman40


Through a 1.0 mm tip?

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#16 posted 01-21-2018 02:07 PM

Perhaps you should be looking at a different kind of paint? Latex is really for covering large surfaces not for fine detail work.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#17 posted 01-23-2018 07:52 PM

The paint I’m using is an industrial acrylic enamel that is formulated to use interior or exterior.on either wood or metal. It is maufactured by BLP Mobile Paints, a local/regional company.

I was able to get a mix that sprays through my small gun with a 1.0 mm cap. The mix is 40% reduction with water and the minimum recommended amount of Floetrol. It sprays nicely at about 35-40 psi with no orange peel and seems to cover pretty well. BTW, this is not an HVLP conversion gun. When I get to spraying my project, I will likely apply 1 or 2 coats more than I might otherwise. After drying a couple of days, I have trouble scratching it off of my sample board with my fingernail. So, adhesion seems OK.

I have gotten the mfg’s response and they said pretty much what I expected: don’t thin more than what it says on the can. The company won’t be responsible for any failures resulting from excess thinning.

If there is anyone here that understands paint chemistry, I would sure like to get an unbiased opinion about “over thinning”.

Since I’m doing this project for myself, I will continue with the experiment and see how it works out. I can always do it over if needed.

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#18 posted 01-24-2018 11:58 AM

I do not understand it enough to explain what you ask, but ti seems to me that both Flexner and Jewitt have unbiased opinions, and they both indicate water based shouldn’t be thinned too much. There is reason to be suspicious of the manufacturer’s claims, but not so much in this case. Jewitt explains there can be as many as 20 chemicals in a water based finish, and the balance is very precise.

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#19 posted 01-27-2018 08:54 PM



You should be following the manufactures recommendations.

- AlaskaGuy

I agree with that. The more water you add the longer it’s going to take to dry. You might get more Coverage but you might also have to give it a Second or Third Coat to get a “Solid Finish” (No Streaks or Bare Spots.) I’m referring to Brushing it on Not Spraying.

-- Richard (Ontario, CANADA)

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