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#1 posted 06-14-2014 10:24 PM

I paid a bit more(+$50) than I like on this #411C on eBay, though Heckel’s Value Guide put this one rather high in value ($300-$600). I have run full gamut on my feelings about this find. The casting ran from 1926-1942, but the frog has really confused me, in that it has the dual adjusting fork typical of the 1942-1950s Sargents. I have avoided collecting any POST-WWII Sargents because of the declining quality that began after the war.

With my #411C casting only going to 1942, and having a dual fork left-threaded steel adjusting nut, I would have to say that this particular plane must date right at the end of the #411C era (1926-1942). Looking at the frog/casting fit, it is exceptionally tight/perfect, the best fit I have seen in my collecting. Much better than what I was expecting from the dual fork frog.

Regarding the tote&knob, I am disappointed in the quality of the workmanship. The tote cut looks rushed/rough/incomplete shaping, but maybe that is just me being picky.

BEFORE Much paint over-spray and speckles over entire plane.



Alcohol cleaning and wire brush

Note chip out of the tote. I am considering whether or not to replace/repair.

QUESTION: Has anyone else come across a “solid-backed” TYPE4 lever cap? This one is even nickel plated (as is the frog dual adjusting fork).

The mouth of this #411 is milled down flush with the casting.

Look at how TIGHT the frog sits on the casting. Who ever milled this at the factory did the most tight fitting that I have found in all of my collecting. The leading edge of the frog is almost knife sharp (though a bit jagged).

Mahogany Tote & Knob – have not decided if I will refinish or not.

These are the first “steel” nuts I have come across. I understand that copper/brass was in a shortage during WWII, so this all makes sense. The top of these nuts were brass plated for appearances.

And lastly, the “japanning” looks fantastic! I would venture to say +99% complete, and very thick. The milling of the casting mouth shows me that this is in fact the original japanning, and that has me smiling… 8-)

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